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Posted on 09/23/2010 8:24:21 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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I read the summary. Hence my question.
“...Lesson in paying attention, these people never give up.
They haven’t given up since 1848, when Marx and Engels wrote The Communist Manifesto.
Their definition of peace is and always has been - “the Absence of Opposition to Our Goals” - meaning any and all who subscribe to that pig ideology are in a perpetual state of war with everyone who disagrees with them.
They won’t give up until either us or them are dead.
Personally...I’ll take Patton’s theory of how to win a war.
Well, the burden of proof usually is contingent on those making the claims. I wouldn’t put it past this bunch to try this, but I would like to see some documentation for the claim before running with it.
If you are citing that a treaty can trump the Constitution of the United States, you are wrong.
The bolded area speaks specifically of the Constitution being the law of the land and that laws and treaties made must be made under that law.
To make a treaty that sits outside the Constitution would be in violation of the Constitution.
Also, the next line "and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding" speaks only about state laws and constitutions, not the Constitution, itself.
After the filibuster and Republicans take over the house in November, the House needs to recall the Bill so that it never reaches the Senate.
And to be clear, I have completely surrendered the hope that the Senate was going to be a calming voice on this type of thing (as it was designed by the founders to be)
When the Senate allows McCain-Feingold CFR, and particularly Obamacare, they can never again be trusted. And there is no executive veto pen to stop this. As the article at IntelHub states (and admittedly, I don’t know THEM any better than I know who and what the President is) this should have NEVER NEVER NEVER gotten to the Senate. Never. Republicans should have turned out to block it, because we had the votes to do it.
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The Constitution is no protection anymore. The Constitution has been shredded in many areas, and nobody has stepped up to invoke it. Ever.
The Republicans are too busy fighting the Tea Partiers.
Justify and Testify
Who do you think you are, elitists, elected and unelected officials, who thrive on darkness and back room discussions, that you can enact legislation without so much as reading it or announcing its number? Who do you think you are, that your snobbish disregard for the legality of the US Constitution now endangers this country in toto?
You are accountable, as are your friends, cohorts and relatives.
You will be required to testify to all, and to God, for your actions.
You are answerable. To everyone. You will have to testify. To everyone.
How dare you.
“To make a treaty that sits outside the Constitution would be in violation of the Constitution.”
Call and tell your senators it is against the constitution!
paragraph 2 at the link:
HR 3534 is a thinly disguised permanent roadblock to American energy which drives American companies out of the Gulf, delays future drilling, increases dependency on foreign oil, implements climate change legislation and youth education programs; but most important, it mandates membership in the Law of the Sea Treaty without the required two-thirds vote to ratify it in the U.S. Senate. Read more at LOST below
Emphasis on WITHOUT 2/3 ratification vote.
I do not know whether I should tell you this or not Willie, but, they had passenger trains long before they had automobiles. That was one reason that the automobile was developed, the trains were not working out. They are good for what they are good for and nothing else.
The damage that is being down to our nation will be not be able to be repaired.
At the rate Obama is working there will be pretty much nothing left to fix.
Being overseas I can tell you that the Chinese and others are watching closely to what is happening and even they are in shock at how fast the decline is.
I'm in a position where I meet many foreign government officials and diplomats and I can tell you that many of them are shocked - just last night a Chinese diplomat remarked at how hostile Obama was to America.
Obama's fecklessness has and continues to embolden and incentivize our adversaries.
It is bad FRiends - very bad
So, you didn't read it, either.
Tell us about it, we’re here under the lash, frankly, it’s amazing there isn’t a full scale civil war, but then, most people just think that everything will be okay because it always has been
The very first act of the new Congress must be to retroactively repeal this, and declare it to be an act of Treason.
“Obama’s fecklessness has and continues to embolden and incentivize our adversaries.”
Then he and the forces amassed against us shall need another incentive, won’t they.
Feature this: Our Fisheries given up. Oil given up, oil revenue given up to the muslim driven UN, to fund our own destruction.
Instead, why don’t they make turd world places like Africa self sufficient through their own means instead of making them village idiots funded by western civilization?
Like EVERY “treaty,” it is a voluntary contract between the various parties and SOME FUTURE LEGISLATURE CAN ABROGATE, CANCEL, RESCIND OR JUST AS VOLUNTARILY WITHDRAW FROM THE DAMN THING.
And, pray tell, just HOW would a toothless UN keep us locked in — especially if we kick these freeloading bums out of the US and stop letting them pick our pockets for 25% of their funding.
BTW, those cute blue helmets make great targets!
If you can find it then let me know what page it's on.
BE SURE TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH ON 11/2!
Maybe the Democrats are being very sneaky here. Maybe they are putting snippets of the LOST treaty in separate bills.
The requirements would be met after all of the snippets are passed.
This would be the way around an outright vote on the Treaty.
You do understand that this hasn't passed the Senate nor been signed into law.....
The following is the title page from which it is taken.
US House puts oceans, coasts under UN: Senate vote will seal the deal
September 22, 2010 by Alex
Filed under Constitution and Politics, Intel Hub Featured Articles, New World Order
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Piece by piece, America being given away
By Carmen Reynolds, Paul McKain and Karen Schoen
Fox news article
In 1982, Ronald Reagan, concerned about the treatys implications for our sovereignty and national security, formally rejected LOST because it did not satisfy the objectives sought by the United States. In 1994, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton, anxious to appease One World Government advocates in his own party and at the United Nations, negotiated a parallel Agreement that purported to address Mr. Reagans concerns and urged ratification. Since then, LOST has gathered dust in the bowels of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee. All that may be about to change. The deeply flawed, Soviet-era agreement giving unelected, unaccountable international bureaucrats control over 71 percent of the Earths surface is now on a fast track to ratification.
Before casting a vote to ratify LOST, all 100 U.S. senators should read Article 314 of this onerous treaty and Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution. The U.N.-crafted document specifies that amendments to the treaty can be adopted and therefore enforced without the consent of any signatory. Yet our Constitution requires that two thirds of our Senate concur in any treaty. Do 67 members of this Senate now want to surrender that authority to foreign governments?
Notwithstanding concerns raised about the Law of the Sea Treaty - and there have been many - the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee recommended U.S. accession to the treaty in a unanimous vote in March 2004.
Six years later, a vote of the entire U.S. Senate has yet to be scheduled.
If rail travel were more efficient, it would be cheaper. Which it is not.
"Cheaper" and "most efficient" are not the same thing.
Hell, most -- not ALL -- but far too many of these 535 cretins on that hill at the east end of the Mall have for decades been happily and merrily shipping their authority and responsibility for the accountability laden heavy lifting of ACTUALLY GOVERNING this country down to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
If THAT was a good thing, SHIPPING/OUTSOURCING THAT RESPONSIBILITY FARTHER AWAY TO FACELESS BUREAUCRATS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY HAS TO BE WONDERFUL -- SIMPLY WONDERFUL!!
They could spend all that new free time doing what they've proven they do best -- having those 6 martini lunches with K-streeters at the Palm, visiting hookers (or local glory holes), napping in their offices, hitting on staffers, ignoring constituents, counting their daily pay-offs from those K-streeters, etc., etc.
I learned this in law school which was a while back and, while freely acknowledging that this outrage is not on the top of my stack of things to obsess over, I do not believe that the SCOTUS decision in question has ever been overturned, modified or superseded.
This matter is a ticking time bomb which suggests that a treaty which purports to void the entire Bill of Rights would, if ratified, actually do so with no more than the signature of some Demonrat POTUS and 2/3 ratification by Demonrat and RINO Senators.
Of course they are when the concept of market demand is considered. It's a matter of economics.
Automobiles and airplanes are far more efficient in supplying what the market demands. The fact that the iron horse may be more efficient in supplying a service that is not in great demand is irrelevant.
There is also a difference between price and cost. The train may have a cheaper price, but a higher cost in time:
LA to Chicago (buying the ticket today to leave today):
Duration: 42 hr, 15 min
Duration: 4 hours
I don't know about you, but 38 hours of my time is worth more than 96 bucks. And I don't have to buy food on a four hour flight.
Not only that, but SW has eleven flights today, while Amtrak has one!
(One departure, not one flight. BTTF reference)
Game-taking laws do not violate the second amendment - they do not infringe upon your right to keep and bear arms.
That was one reason that the automobile was developed, the trains were not working out.
The "horseless carriage" was developed to replace horse drawn wagons.
Passenger trains thrived well into the automotive age, especially for long distance travel.
That role diminished when WW-II aircraft production capacity was converted to civilian production.
But 50 years later, aviation fuel is less abundant and becoming more expensive. That makes passenger rail's fuel efficiencies the better option on short, regional trips between 100 and 500 miles in distance.
Treaties do NOT supercede the Constitution. Period.
The fact that the iron horse may be more efficient in supplying a service that is not in great demand is irrelevant.
Passenger rail is a growth market and demand is increasing.
Lobbyists for the Airline and Highway industries are in denial.
Free Republic just can't seem to get its collective mind to accept this truth.
SP Alert, too.
If Boehner was really serious about reducing our dependence on foreign oil, he would be pushing Karl Denninger’s suggestion of building new nuclear power plants on US military facilities in all fifty states, to be operated by the US Navy. Local NIMBYs and politically connected energy cartels could do absolutely nothing to stop it. It would cost a lot less than the bailouts.
blah blah blah TRAINS blah blah blah TRAINS
Excellent idea. Are the nuclear plants in ships and subs scalable, because they have an outstanding safety record.
Record ridership does not necessarily mean that the public wants rail over air/highway.
Vancouver to Seattle is an example of the niche where rail might be successful: too short for air travel and a bit long for a car ride. I say remove the subsidies and let the market decide.
Glenn Beck rally was a one off event. Irrelevant.
An end run around the Constitutional treaty process to be part of LOST? It sure looks like and should be a US Supreme Court zot.
Does anyone realize we have been following this treaty since the Ronald Reagan era REVISIONS? The reagan administration objected to the first version of the treaty and that was scrapped and a second produced.
It also contains a provision where the USA can stipulate than all thier disputers will be arbitrated IN the USA with USA arbitrators.
Obama's fecklessness has and continues to embolden and incentivize our adversaries.
Only 40 days left before we put much of Dems/Obama's crap in check.
Lets hope they are up to the task.
This is why we are all running scared when we are dependent on rinos.This is also why they have to go.
I vaguely recall it was around. But certainly no large hue and cry on this one.
“Free Republic just can’t seem to get its collective mind to accept this truth.”
Crazy isn’t it? Government gets bigger we get deeper into debt no matter who is in office, but some how people think that if we just elect the right group of Republicans, it will be different this time.