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ATF targets gun dealers to stem sales to Mexican cartels
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Posted on 09/24/2010 6:45:54 PM PDT by jakerobins

U.S. law enforcement officials have devised an aggressive and potentially controversial new strategy to crack down on the illegal gun trade to Mexico by targeting cartel networks inside this country and "corrupt" U.S. firearms dealers, according to internal Justice Department documents obtained by NBC News.

The documents also state that the drug traffickers appear to have expanded efforts to acquire firepower in the U.S. by tapping well-developed supply networks beyond the Southwest border region in order to acquire high-powered assault rifles as well as components for improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

The new strategy was prepared in recent weeks by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF)’s Office of Field Operations, in the wake of stinging criticism of current ATF efforts to stem the flow of weapons to the cartels by the Justice Department’s inspector general

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So the Obama Regime is still going with ..It's American gun dealers fault the cartels have so many guns??
1 posted on 09/24/2010 6:45:56 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

“...as well as components for improvised explosive devices (IEDs).”

I don’t know about ya’ll, but none of the gun stores in my town stock C4 or IR-beam detonators.


2 posted on 09/24/2010 6:49:52 PM PDT by DemforBush (You might think that, *I* could not possibly comment.)
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To: DemforBush

This is a crock. harassing US gunshops is not going to stop guns to mexico. mexico buys guns from american MILITARY arms dealers.


3 posted on 09/24/2010 6:53:47 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: DemforBush

I thought the cartels were being supplied by sources in Brazil and Venezuela?

This looks like an “October Surprise” in the making. An excuse to ramp up domestic gun control and to do it outside of the courts and the Congress.


4 posted on 09/24/2010 6:56:41 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: jakerobins

I suspect someone with 100’s of millions in cash can find weapons for sale just about anywhere he chooses.


5 posted on 09/24/2010 6:58:17 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: DemforBush

LOL...Yeah I know the people at my local gun store pretty well but I guess the C4, Symtex, and TNT are just out of stock..must be waiting for the new shipment..LOL


6 posted on 09/24/2010 6:58:30 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins
Looking at this and other stories I believe that these weapons were smuggled in the U.S. from Mexico in-order to hide them from the Mexican Government. A safe haven to store weapons for a longer term war.

The ATF angle is only a show for budget justification. I truly believe the ATF is only a cover for the actual folks who tracked the guns...


7 posted on 09/24/2010 7:00:52 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: jakerobins

“People in foreign countries sometimes do bad things. And that’s why we need to infringe your Second Amendment rights. I’m sure you won’t mind.”


8 posted on 09/24/2010 7:01:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: metalcor

Naturaly the ATF will happily provide the straw purchasers.


9 posted on 09/24/2010 7:03:03 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: mamelukesabre

Most of the guns come from mexican police and military armories or are shipped with the cocaine from columbia supplied by hugo chavez.


10 posted on 09/24/2010 7:04:50 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Waco

ATF is a rogue agency.

It has no purpose for existence and needs to be dismantled, as Reagan wanted.


11 posted on 09/24/2010 7:05:47 PM PDT by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization)
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To: jakerobins

Gonna burn any of them alive?


12 posted on 09/24/2010 7:13:59 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (3 great American Thomases: Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and Thomas Sowell.)
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We’ve seen the Mexican drug bust pictures with tens and hundreds of AK’s and other hardware. They didn’t buy these at Bubba’s Gun Shack.


13 posted on 09/24/2010 7:19:01 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: metalcor

I suspect someone with 100’s of millions in cash can find weapons for sale just about anywhere he chooses.

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By the shipping container. RPGs and full automatic small arms. An AK47 in the Third World costs less than the handling and transportation -costs- would be from the US. This whole thing has always been a statist fairy tale from two corrupt administrations.


14 posted on 09/24/2010 7:19:01 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (3 great American Thomases: Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and Thomas Sowell.)
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To: jakerobins

Anything to take the focus off Mexican nationals on U. S. soil...

Mexico is so much better at keeping contraband out of their nation than we are at keeping it out of ours. These guns couldn’t possibly be smuggled in over Mexico’s thousands of miles of beaches.

My guess is that some gun dealers in the U. S. will be found to have transferred a bee bee gun or some such, and their licenses will be taken.

Is this about illegal guns or too many legal gun dealers?


15 posted on 09/24/2010 7:26:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: jakerobins

I wish we had a president who loved this country and the constitution. He would give the BATF a barbed wire enema.


16 posted on 09/24/2010 7:27:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: ClearCase_guy

Our Founding Fathers were so naive; if only they’d had the internet.

They certainly didn’t foresee bad guys, foreign nationals, pirates or others presenting problems for the pastoral bliss of the New Republic, circa 1787.

They would have given the new Federal government an explicit right to suspend that pesky 2nd Amendment to keep the bad people from getting our guns.


17 posted on 09/24/2010 7:28:38 PM PDT by One Name
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To: jakerobins

BTW, is there an appropriations for the ATF coming up in Congress? If so, I’d advise all gun dealers to close for a few months. Either that or have their gun shop retrofitted to withstand tanks, flammable chemical powder by the ton, incendiary devices, shaped charges, and snipers.

Other than that, I’d say it’s business as usual for the gun dealers. Hell, that’s already business as usual for the ATF.


18 posted on 09/24/2010 7:30:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: jakerobins
This is such a crock. The cartel's can get their weapons the old fashioned way. Via cut-out corporations in 3rd world countries that we provide military aid to or from the Russian mafia or Eastern Europeans.

I'm so sure that a mom and pop operation or some local yahoo can provide them with a couple of hundred AR-15's but what about ammo, night vision, clips, optics, and the high end sub-guns. Most of the wet work is with any weapon on hand that has ammo. The cartels could even go to Africa and obtain weapons from Middle Eastern countries like........ Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, through Somalia or other African countries.

It's always been about money as far as weapons are concerned. The drug cartels have plenty of cash. The ATF just wants another excuse to throw a road block to owning and selling weapons by Americans.

19 posted on 09/24/2010 7:31:34 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: Waco

And if they won’t, the FBI certainly will. Either that or one or the other agency will call up Weaver and strong arm him again.


20 posted on 09/24/2010 7:33:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: yarddog

Now it’s BATFE.

Personally I give them all the respect they’ve earned and deserved by calling them the ol’ F-Troop.


21 posted on 09/24/2010 7:41:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DemforBush
And somehow stealing explosives from legal owners gets morphed into "buying":

"Just as worrisome, it cites evidence that the cartels are tapping into the U.S. market to buy components for improvised explosive devices or IEDs, the same type of sophisticated bombs that have been used against U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. A senior law enforcement official said that some ATF agents “rang the bell” about the prospect of IEDs being used by the Mexican cartels over a year ago, when they first saw reports of the thefts of commercial explosives near the Southwest border."

22 posted on 09/24/2010 7:49:22 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: DemforBush

“IR-beam detonators.”

Standard parts with any garage-door opener kit.

Maybe they’ll go after Sears, Lowe’s, and Home Depot.


23 posted on 09/24/2010 8:21:35 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: castlebrew

and they can also be found in the remote-mount control for audio and home-theater gear.

Best Buy will be next, I’m sure...


24 posted on 09/24/2010 8:23:40 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: jakerobins

Though the article opened with “by targeting cartel networks inside this country and “corrupt” U.S. firearms dealers”, curiously enough, not one “corrupt” gun dealer was mentioned in the article. The one gun dealer mentioned was found to have done nothing wrong.


25 posted on 09/24/2010 8:48:05 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: jakerobins

“as well as components for improvised explosive devices (IEDs)”

I think they’re talking about things like cell phones you can buy at Walmart and pipes, wire and such at Ace Hardware, Home Depot, and Lowes. Hell, the Unibomber made all of his bombs from stuff he found in old junk piles and used nothing but hand tools.


26 posted on 09/24/2010 8:51:13 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: jakerobins

I sell firearms for a living and the word on the street is BATFE has no interest in going after the end users of the ILLEGALLY purchased firearms; but simply to put EVERY gun shop in the border states out of business...PERIOD!


27 posted on 09/24/2010 11:06:26 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: jakerobins

If the Feds would simply put a dead-or-alive bounty on illegals in this country, and let the armed citizens have at ‘em, I believe the problem would quickly resolve itself.


28 posted on 09/25/2010 12:28:06 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Lancer_N3502A
I sell firearms for a living and the word on the street is BATFE has no interest in going after the end users of the ILLEGALLY purchased firearms; but simply to put EVERY gun shop in the border states out of business...PERIOD!

Yeah, I never saw this one coming.../massive sarc

As soon as we can get this government constitutionally reestablished the frigging ATF needs to be the first of many alphabet federal agencies to be disbanded and all the major players imprisoned.

29 posted on 09/25/2010 3:27:59 AM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: 4Runner

“I thought the cartels were being supplied by sources in Brazil and Venezuela?”

The last customs report I read confirms what you said: the weapons are coming into Mexico via Venezuala. That would make sense because communists always work to destabilize neighboring countries.


30 posted on 09/25/2010 6:58:55 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: jakerobins

When selling guns is illegal only criminals will sell guns.


31 posted on 09/25/2010 4:38:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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