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Rain clouds linger as Tea Party brews up a storm (Palin & Tea Party as Reagan redux?)
The Irish Times ^ | September 27, 2010 | Professor Richard Aldous

Posted on 09/26/2010 6:21:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

THE BIG PICTURE: Right-wing rhetoric is one thing but the real test will be whether Palin and Co can show the ability for systematic thinking needed for government

IN 1975, the recently retired governor of California, Ronald Reagan, flew to Britain to beef up his foreign policy credentials as a presidential aspirant. He could hardly get in to see anyone.

The prime minister, Harold Wilson, refused to meet him. Jim Callaghan, the foreign secretary, preferred to attend Splott Fair in his own constituency. In the end, Reagan was palmed off on the junior foreign office minister, Roy Hattersley, who made it clear that the meeting was “a matter of courtesy rather than in order to do any serious business”.

While Reagan espoused his economic views, remembered Hattersley, “the usually well-mannered young men from the Foreign Office who sat beside me made choking noises”. Fast forward to 1981 and those same spluttering mandarins were dealing with Reagan as leader of the world’s number one power.

Politicians on the right, particularly ones the public like, have often found it difficult to be taken seriously by the chattering classes. Even today, despite winning the cold war and delivering three decades of economic prosperity, Reagan is still often presented as a mixture of cowboy and idiot savant. There’s just no convincing some people.

In 1975 it was Reagan and his libertarian conservatives who were dismissed as dangerous cranks by the governmental and media establishment. Today in the United States, it is the Tea Party movement that has upset the political apple cart. To defeat them, opined a New York Times editorial recently, “has become imperative to avoid the sense of national embarrassment from each divisive and offensive utterance, each wacky policy proposal”.

That line may work when preaching to the liberal choir from the pulpit of the Times (although New York may yet end up with a Tea Party governor in Carl Paladino). But this outrage does little to explain the momentum that is gathering behind a new political phenomenon. For what began as conservative fury in the immediate aftermath of the election of President Obama has developed a clarity that is attracting widespread support, even among independents.

Part of that clarity comes in its appraisal of the Obama administration and the Democrat-controlled congress. Since 2009, say Tea Party advocates, there has been a spending bonanza of unimaginable proportions. This includes a huge stimulus package (that has failed to stimulate), the nationalisation of health care at vast expense, rising taxes and an attack on business at a time when Americans need jobs. These are not short-term problems: Americans will be in hock to the tune of trillions of dollars for decades to come.

“Here is the great virtue of the Tea Party,” says Reagan speech writer Peggy Noonan: “They know what time it is. It’s getting late. If we don’t get the size and the cost of government in line now, we won’t be able to.” That resonates with the generations that grew up in the decades after the second World War, when America’s share of global GDP was 45 per cent. Many fear a future for their children in which a country saddled with a vast debt and a bloated, sclerotic government is simply unable to rise to the challenge posed by new economic powers such as China, India, Russia and Brazil.

Widespread agreement with that assessment has damaged the Democratic Party, which goes into November’s mid-term elections in low spirits. Independent voters who will tip the balance at the polls do not seem to have been put off by the involvement of the “wacky” Tea Party movement in the Republican Party. Far from it. Many Democrats fear voters may desert the president’s party in droves.

Recent numbers show that independent voters, who broke for Barack Obama by 52 per cent to 44 per cent in the 2008 presidential election, are now moving strongly in the direction of the Republican Party. Staggeringly, those independents who say they intend to vote in November break better than two-to-one in favour of the Republicans. Forty-eight per cent of all independents surveyed said they were “sympathetic to or supporters of the Tea Party”. In many states, such as Kentucky and Florida, Tea Party candidates are streets ahead, despite bitter primary races, and even a weak candidate such as Sharron Angle remains level pegging in Nevada.

In the northeast, where the Republicans had been virtually wiped out by 2008, there has been a palpable resurgence of support. In Pennsylvania, the native state of vice-president Joe Biden that has trended Democratic since 2000, the president’s approval rating has slumped. In key battle grounds such as Pennsylvania’s eighth Congressional District, where two Irish-American candidates are slogging it out, the president’s popularity has flipped from 55 per cent to 42 per cent positive last year to 53 per cent to 43 per cent negative today.

This is bad news for the incumbent Democrat, Patrick Murphy. “We’re going to make him defend everything,” says Mike Fitzpatrick, his opponent. Fitzpatrick might not be a Tea Party purist, but his message of “smaller, more efficient government, less spending, lower taxes” resonates with the agenda they have set.

For Fitzpatrick and traditional candidates like him, the Tea Party movement has re-energised conservative supporters and swept the Republican Party along with it. That’s good news for the party heading towards November, but in the longer term it may turn out to be a mixed blessing. For while the Tea Party movement has helped define the debate around this president, its more important contribution may turn out to be the critique of the Republican Party itself.

Certainly the Tea Party has tapped into a very real public anger that the Obama administration has overspent, overtaxed and over-committed. Yet the narrative it has constructed is also a fierce indictment of the Bush presidency.

“[They] are the reason we even have the Tea Party movement,” wrote Fox News favourite Andrea Tantoros in New York Daily News , after Karl Rove (“Bush’s brain”) admonished Republicans in Delaware for picking Tea Party activist Christine O’Donnell as a candidate for the Senate. After all, Tantoros noted, “Bush ran up deficits” and gave the US “open borders, tax cuts that expire, Medicare part D and busted budgets”.

As last year’s gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia demonstrated, Tea Party activists and Republican moderates can work well together when necessary to deliver election victories. But there is already an impending sense of the ideological struggle to come once November is over.

Then all eyes will turn to the real prize: the presidential election of 2012. Tea Party activists may not like Barack Obama, but they admire the way he won the last election, not least the “netroots” of political activists who helped him defeat an “establishment” machine candidate. Already they are planning a similar campaign to make sure that one of their own secures the Republican nomination.

The unknown element in that battle is the quality of Tea Party ideas. Thus far they have skilfully cultivated a simple message and deployed charismatic leaders such as Sarah Palin and Marco Rubio to articulate it with authentic conviction. Yet to emerge is a serious sense of the systematic thinking about government that would put those aspirations into practice. In the end this will be the real test of whether the Tea Party movement represents a seismic event in conservatism or is just a noisy distraction.

For a movement that puts plain speaking, values and common sense at a premium, this may seem unnecessarily cerebral. But Tea Party activists need only look to the example of two iconic figures of the right to recognise how significant this is.

Reagan too had the charisma and ability to articulate his beliefs with moral conviction and a popular touch. But underpinning the Reagan era was a neo-liberal intellectual ferment that tipped the social democratic consensus upside down, shifting public debate and preparing the way for a Republican victory in 1980. Characteristic of this activity was the work of the Heritage Foundation, which produced the 3,000-page Mandate for Leadership that became the comprehensive blueprint for the administration.

The second example is Margaret Thatcher, who is revered by, among others, Palin. Thatcher may not have been an intellectual or an original political thinker in the purest sense.

Yet she was a consumer of ideas, devouring the books and papers put in front of her by Alfred Sherman at the Centre for Policy Studies. Her great ability was to give those ideas clarity. If Palin is following the Thatcher model, she will currently be reading everything she can lay her hands on.

Thatcher came to power in a “peasant’s revolt” against the leadership of her own party. She was often patronised and derided by conservative grandees and liberal journalists alike. Yet few if any of them won an argument head-to-head with her, as she took them on in a war of attrition, idea by idea, backed up with her uniquely individual style of moral conviction.

That ability to articulate a new way of thinking made her a star in the United States. On her first visit to Washington as prime minister in 1979, she electrified Congress not just with her conviction but with her incisiveness and intellectual rigour. Afterwards Republican politicians flocked around her. Later one sent her note: “Will you accept the nomination of the Republican party for president?” it asked.

The Republicans could not have Thatcher, but they did get Reagan instead. The Tea Party can only hope they have a leader of similar stature waiting in the wings.

For that reason perhaps the most pertinent question of the day has become, “Which books are you reading at the moment, Sarah?”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2010; obama; palin; sarahpalin; teaparty; teapartyexpress
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1 posted on 09/26/2010 6:22:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At this point, who cares what the rest of the world thinks. This is a time to save America! There will be plenty of time to cater to the rest of the worlds socialists later...


2 posted on 09/26/2010 6:28:11 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dam this is pretty good!!! The guy knows his history..


3 posted on 09/26/2010 6:28:36 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Brices Crossroads; onyx
ping


4 posted on 09/26/2010 6:30:54 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: Hojczyk
Rubio screwed up he should have ran for governor...
5 posted on 09/26/2010 6:31:07 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The world is watching right now. Let’s show them in November that we reject socialism. Government is the problem! Get out of our way and let us prosper!


6 posted on 09/26/2010 6:32:24 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw Them Out! Forward With Confidence!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's my simple comment...


7 posted on 09/26/2010 6:34:07 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only radical and destructive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll comment

When bambi took his road show over to europe they all met with him because he was “of color”

No other reason.


8 posted on 09/26/2010 6:34:12 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: All

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Powerful speech from Mike Pence on the presidency:
http://vimeo.com/15202566

Exerpts:

“The president is not our teacher, our tutor, our guide or ruler. He does not command us, we command him. We serve neither him nor his vision.
It is not his job or his prerogative to redefine custom, law and beliefs; to appropriate industries; to seize the country, as it were, by the shoulders or by the throat so as to impose by force of theatrical charisma his justice upon 300 million others.
It is neither his job nor his prerogative to shift the power of decision away from them, and to him and the acolytes of his choosing.”

“The President of the United States of America bows to no man.
You do not bow to kings.
When in foreign lands, you do not criticize your own country.
You do not argue the case against the United States, but, rather, the case for it.
You do not apologize to the enemies of the United States.
Should you be confused, a country, people, or region that harbors, shelters, supports, encourages, or cheers attacks upon our country, the slaughter of our children, our mothers, our fathers, our sisters, and brothers… are enemies of the United States. And, to repeat, you do not apologize to them.”

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9 posted on 09/26/2010 6:35:05 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
 The Bat Man
10 posted on 09/26/2010 6:39:39 PM PDT by Tawiskaro
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Republicans could not have Thatcher, but they did get Reagan instead. The Tea Party can only hope they have a leader of similar stature waiting in the wings.

For that reason perhaps the most pertinent question of the day has become, “Which books are you reading at the moment, Sarah?”

Which books are you reading Professor; "Lassie Come Home" or the kind that is delivered to your house wrapped in brown paper? I'm a voracious reader but is that the standard by which we measure a decent, citizen candidate for public office? Are you taking your cues from Charles Gibson and Katie Couric?
11 posted on 09/26/2010 6:40:10 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: Hojczyk

Rubio is not interested in focusing on states issues. His aim is much higher to be a part of getting the Feds to do their jobs so the states don’t have to. We are just fine where things are shaking out right now.


12 posted on 09/26/2010 6:40:21 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio - US Senate, West FL22nd, Scott/Carroll - FL Gov/LtGov, Miller-AK US Senate)
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To: Al B.

This is a fine article by a man who has studied recent American history and knows it better than the Harvard (un)educated skulls full of mush at the Politico, the Weekly Standard and NRO.

Some one alert Bill Kristol and his poodle McCormack that the terms RINO and winner are antonyms.


13 posted on 09/26/2010 6:41:35 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
palin aint no reagan.

maybe after the coming decade of slapping about the head and face...

not now.

14 posted on 09/26/2010 6:42:25 PM PDT by mmercier (amateur hour has ended)
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To: Hojczyk
Rubio screwed up he should have ran for governor... ______________________________________________________________
Why do you say that? To position himself for a Presidential run?
15 posted on 09/26/2010 6:44:06 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Professor Aldous did a nice job until he asked Peggy Noonan to define the Tea Party, which shows that he hasn’t been paying attention to who the conservatives are.


16 posted on 09/26/2010 6:44:14 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("I'd rather lose fighting for the right cause than win fighting for the wrong cause." - Jim DeMint)
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To: mmercier

Palin is the closest thing to Reagan that we have seen since Reagan, and for many decades before Reagan.

Palin makes everyone think of Reagan, her enemies and conservatives alike can’t help but bring up Reagan comparisons.


17 posted on 09/26/2010 6:51:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: no dems
palin aint no reagan.

The only possible contendors for POTUS 2012 that are close to her or equal in terms of being like Reagan are DeMint and Pence.

The others, including Myth, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Ryan, et all. are either compromisers on important issues or have voted for something they really should not have.

The one characteristic that Governor Palin has more than all the rest, is an unstoppable fighting spirit.
18 posted on 09/26/2010 6:52:33 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems Aldous suffers from the delusion common to all progressives, the belief that a society must be “managed” in order to prosper.

I would say this delusion, ironically, is a failure of the “systematic thinking” he seems to want to proclaim absent in Sarah Palin and the tea party movement.

These people continue to defeat their own intellect. Like a high school pole vaulter who in the peak of his training is only able to clear 14 feet, but repeatedly sets the bar at 17 feet only to miss again and again.


19 posted on 09/26/2010 6:54:46 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: mmercier
Welcome Back, Dad

I've been trying to convince my fellow conservatives that they have been wasting their time in a fruitless quest for a new Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our party and our nation. I insisted that we'd never see his like again because he was one of a kind. I was wrong! Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he's a she. And what a she! This was Ronald Reagan at his best -- the same Ronald Reagan who made the address known now solely as "The Speech," which during the Goldwater campaign set the tone and the agenda for the rebirth of the traditional conservative movement that later sent him to the White House for eight years and revived the moribund GOP. Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time around.

~Michael Reagan, Chairman of the Reagan foundation, conservative talk show host and son of President Ronald Reagan

20 posted on 09/26/2010 6:55:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: mmercier

Look smartie pants

Palin is able to express what REAL AMERICANS are thinking

That is her appeal—she is a true representative, kapish?


21 posted on 09/26/2010 6:55:30 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comments?

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Professor Aldous gets it. He understands the facts and the potentialities better than all of the American left, and better than most of the American right.

But for the nod to weakfish Noonan, a flawless article.

Thank you for posting it.


22 posted on 09/26/2010 6:57:24 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: ansel12
she is what she is. she is also exceedingly clever at media manipulation.

every word she speaks or writes is more carefully calculated than the performance if an icbm.

just because everyone is reminded of reagan by her...

everyone was reminded of jfk by the one.

where did that get us...

23 posted on 09/26/2010 7:00:13 PM PDT by mmercier (innocence lost)
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To: SoConPubbie
Don't know where you got the quote "Palin ain't no Reagan". I never said that. I'm a huge Sarah fan. I was a Sarah Palin rooter before McCain ever chose her for his running mate.
24 posted on 09/26/2010 7:02:40 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: mmercier
just because everyone is reminded of reagan by her...

That's right, she is the closest thing to Reagan that we have seen since Reagan, and for many decades before, that is why she reminds people of Reagan.

Whine about something else.

25 posted on 09/26/2010 7:03:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: Psalm 144

You don’t see too many good ones like this. Most are “she’s a dummy & a quitter” and “she’ll get beat like a drum against Obama” and “he’ll wipe the floor with her in a debate” and so forth...


26 posted on 09/26/2010 7:04:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The second example is Margaret Thatcher, who is revered by, among others, Palin. Thatcher may not have been an intellectual or an original political thinker in the purest sense

As an admirer of Thatcher, Reagan and Palin, what the hell is he talking about? Not original thinker? Or intellectual? I'll take their brand of intellect any day.

27 posted on 09/26/2010 7:07:36 PM PDT by upsdriver (The revolution begins on Nov. 2 to take back our country. The American people vs the ruling elite.)
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To: no dems

My apologies, not even sure how that happened.


28 posted on 09/26/2010 7:09:51 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The unknown element in that battle is the quality of Tea Party ideas.”

This is complete nonsense. The ideas have advanced this far based specifically on their quality.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 7:10:05 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: SoConPubbie
there is christie, if he can survive till 12’.

the only benefit i see with palin is if hillary offs the one at the convention and sarah secures nomination.

then we will all know the end is nigh.

30 posted on 09/26/2010 7:10:10 PM PDT by mmercier (suicide solution)
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To: mmercier
palin aint no reagan.

The only possible contendors for POTUS 2012 that are close to her or equal in terms of being like Reagan are DeMint and Pence.

The others, including Myth, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Ryan, et all. are either compromisers on important issues or have voted for something they really should not have.

The one characteristic that Governor Palin has more than all the rest, is an unstoppable fighting spirit.
31 posted on 09/26/2010 7:11:07 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I always laugh at the way the British think we don’t have the wits to govern ourselves, or don’t have the critical thinking skills to handle something as complex as voting or legislating. It’s as if the art died out with the Revolution, and every last shred of political wisdom stayed on the other side of the Atlantic.


32 posted on 09/26/2010 7:12:42 PM PDT by redhead (Abortion: The number one killer of human beings. Period.)
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To: Al B.

I love this picture of Sarah Palin holding Mark Levin’s book.


33 posted on 09/26/2010 7:12:53 PM PDT by David1 (.)
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To: mmercier
there is christie, if he can survive till 12’.

While Christie is strong on some issues, he is weak on the 2nd Amendment, ObamaCare, Bailouts, etc.

He also endorsed Mike Castle.

He is also stumping for another extreme liberal, Meg Whitman.

He's good for New Jersey, but horrible for POTUS.
34 posted on 09/26/2010 7:12:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The politician who comes to office thinking in a “systematic” way—rather than simply wanting to apply the simple ideas of the tea party movement—is a politician with the mind of a big government bureaucrat.


35 posted on 09/26/2010 7:14:56 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: upsdriver

I love this clip of her taking on a couple socialists in her last appearance in the Commons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw


36 posted on 09/26/2010 7:16:28 PM PDT by David1 (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent assessment.


37 posted on 09/26/2010 7:17:00 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Call me paranoid, but I think the coming trend is for leftists to seem to give ground (like not criticizing Palin) while perpetrating their big government agenda in more deceitful ways.


38 posted on 09/26/2010 7:22:08 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One of the great side benefits of this movement is that all of the liberal Colleges and Universities will suddenly be on the wrong side of America. Looking forward to that change and hopefully, even the leftist propaganda will diminish. Heck, you might say that this movement is for the children!


39 posted on 09/26/2010 7:22:35 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: ansel12

Dr. Ron Paul is the best leader since Ben Franklin. Of course the war party is against him, and the liberals cannot stand anyone who talks about small government and the constitution.


40 posted on 09/26/2010 7:27:34 PM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: mmercier
Whatever. No one else has taken Obama to the woodshed.

Go support your milquetoast RINO and see how far they'll go in 2012.

41 posted on 09/26/2010 7:33:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: mmercier
palin aint no reagan.

Neither was Reagan in 1978.

42 posted on 09/26/2010 7:35:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: phobia-dude

There is a reason the Ron Paul has been stuck in that little congressional district for all his political life, he can’t lead.

Paul has tried for statewide office, and his ego maniacal presidential runs, but he just cannot get elected outside of that little district, that is common for loony congressmen like Charles Rangel, Ron Dellums, and Ron Paul, they can’t break out of their minor roles.


43 posted on 09/26/2010 7:36:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sure a great many foreigners are puzzled by things such as the Tea Party and general right-wing thoughts. They probably wonder why most Americans don’t love Obama and the takeover of everything by Big Government. “Don’t Americans realize what wonderful things government will do for them?”they say to themselves. We’re speaking about people who are conditioned to being controlled and to be obedient to their respective Big Governments. Big Government knows best is an axiom I’d guess many foreigners feel comfortable with. Why do something when the government will do it for you? Which conservative Americans know is a recipe for an eventual total loss of freedom.


44 posted on 09/26/2010 7:36:27 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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there is christie, if he can survive till 12’.

So Palin's a "quitter" for only serving 2.5 years; yet conservatives want to endorse someone who would have only served less than 1.5 years for the presidency?

Do you see the hypocrisy and double standards when you want Christie to run for President?

45 posted on 09/26/2010 7:36:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“systematic thinking needed for government”

This is a huge red flag.

For starters, why does the writer fail to define what the phrase means?

Until proven otherwise, this is just another call for big government thinking.


46 posted on 09/26/2010 7:37:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: petercooper; erod; Uncledave; Walts Ice Pick; sdpatriot; Varmint Al; TexasGunRunner; genxer; ...

((((((((((((Ping))))))))))))


47 posted on 09/26/2010 7:39:57 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: SoConPubbie

Exactly. I’m so sick of conservatives blabbing about Christie for President in 2012. Number one, the guy would have been Governor even less time than Palin has, but he gets a pass while Palin does not. Pure hypocrisy here on the part of FReepers. Number two, he’s a Giuliani-type of Republican. He’s good for the Northeast but he’ll get clobbered running nationwide.


48 posted on 09/26/2010 7:40:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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“In Pennsylvania, the native state of vice-president Joe Biden that has trended Democratic since 2000...”

Am I missing something here?


49 posted on 09/26/2010 7:42:27 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: phobia-dude

The war wing hates Paul.

He is irresponsible in that area. The US has been going around the world sticking our fingers in the eyes of the world and it is ture that self defence can not be ignored now. Paul would ignore it. He’s my congresscritter.


50 posted on 09/26/2010 7:47:43 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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