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New Australian footage of Neil Armstrong's moon walk
AP ^ | Tue Sep 28, 5:46 am ET | Unknown

Posted on 09/28/2010 7:47:29 PM PDT by Redcitizen

SYDNEY (AFP) – Long-lost footage of Neil Armstrong descending the ladder of the Apollo 11 lunar module will be screened in public for the first time in Sydney next week, a prominent astronomer told AFP.

The footage runs for a few minutes and is considered to be some of the best footage of the historic 1969 moonwalk, but the film was lost in archives for many years and was badly damaged when found, said John Sarkissian.

It depicts the first few minutes of Armstrong's descent which was recorded in Australia as NASA was still scrambling for a signal, showing a far clearer image than was initially screened worldwide.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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To: Redcitizen

Why does Yahoo suck so bad? Where is the easy link to see the new pics/footage?


51 posted on 09/28/2010 11:30:36 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Pelham

I am not usually much on wikipedia, but their references on “American Exceptionalism” show the concept goes MUCH further back than Lipset (who btw, while an anti-stalinist leftist in his youth, wound up working in the Hoover Institute, which is certainly not “warmed over marxism”).


52 posted on 09/28/2010 11:53:57 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I was about to post De Toqueville, who btw is considered to be required reading for conservatives.


53 posted on 09/29/2010 1:29:08 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan

Somebody tell Inspector Harry Callahan!


54 posted on 09/29/2010 6:02:51 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
De Tocqueville was discussing Americans' alleged lack of aptitude for science, literature and art in that section quoted in Wikipedia. He was hardly making a case for 'American Exceptionalism' in the sense that the Wikipedia author describes:

American exceptionalism is the worldview that the United States occupies a special role among the nations of the world in terms of its national ethos, political and religious institutions, and its being built by immigrants.

In the immediately preceding paragraph De Tocqueville states that he considers the American people to be an extension of England:

In spite of the ocean that intervenes, I cannot consent to separate America from Europe. I consider the people of the United States as that portion of the English people who are commissioned to explore the forests of the New World, while the rest of the nation, enjoying more leisure and less harassed by the drudgery of life, may devote their energies to thought and enlarge in all directions the empire of mind.

De Tocqueville did say that Americans occupied an exceptional position among democratic states, but that exceptional state was largely geographic. Americans lived in

"a new and unbounded country, where they may extend themselves at pleasure and which they may fertilize without difficulty. This state of things is without a parallel in the history of the world.

The theme of that chapter of Democracy in America is that Americans aren't really the uncultured rubes that they appear to be to their more civilized European cousins.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/ch1_09.htm

55 posted on 09/29/2010 7:14:55 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport Aunt Zeituni and her alien nephew)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It’s a fabulous movie; I am filmdom’s severest critic, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.


56 posted on 09/29/2010 7:20:22 PM PDT by 6323cd
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Yehuda

America as an idea, as an ideology, is a distinctly leftist notion. Which is why we find the formerly anti-Stalinist leftist Lipset saying “the United States is a country organized around an ideology”. You can get the boy out of the Party, but you can’t always get the party out of the boy. His old habits of thought still surface from time to time.

Conservatism is a non ideology, an anti-ideology, rooted in the organic culture of a particular people. This was a theme repeated often by Russell Kirk, harking back to Edmund Burke. You want a country begun in ideology, look to Revolutionary France. Or to the Jacobin movements it inspired, including communism. But it has nothing to do with America and it’s founding. America was a nearly two hundred year old society that seceded from England. It didn’t reinvent itself. It didn’t organize itself around an idea. The founders built upon the self government and love of liberty that had long been part of the frontier society of the American colonials.


57 posted on 09/29/2010 7:53:15 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport Aunt Zeituni and her alien nephew)
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To: BenKenobi

Then you’d best find some other section of Democracy in America to make your case. De Tocqueville was writing about Americans’ lack of cultural refinement in that Wikipedia quote. See post 55.


58 posted on 09/29/2010 8:01:57 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Pelham

I strongly encourage you to read the book, and not rely on wikipedia to tell you what to believe.

I actually get the opposite impression, that it is the bravest, the best of europe that went abroad to make their life in America.


59 posted on 09/29/2010 8:14:54 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: Pelham; BenKenobi; PetroniusMaximus; rmlew
"Conservatism is a non ideology, an anti-ideology, rooted in the organic culture of a particular people. ...The founders built upon the self government and love of liberty that had long been part of the frontier society of the American colonials."

Sounds more like a vision to me, and less genetic...

Or are you a follower of the theory of the "dark, undiscovered stain..."

60 posted on 10/03/2010 11:53:03 AM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Yehuda

It sounds like Russell Kirk, since he’s my source.

But it’s interesting that you should try to intimate it is from the Protocols. That sort of character assassination is typical of leftists, who have a long history of calling conservatives nazis.


61 posted on 10/03/2010 10:30:11 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Nice.


62 posted on 10/03/2010 10:36:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BenKenobi

I have the two volume set. Go patronize someone else, junior. If you know his work well enough to make your case then give it a try. Otherwise go read your star wars comics.


63 posted on 10/03/2010 10:36:06 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Pelham
"But it’s interesting that you should try to intimate it is from the Protocols."

I intimated nothing. If you have a source for the entire stain quote that is not from the protocols I would be "happy" to read it.

I mentioned it because it is a phrase of times "That sort of character assassination is typical of leftists, who have a long history of calling conservatives nazis."

a/ I am pro-life, anti-amnesty, pro-troops, for states-rights, an NRA member, opposed to gay marriage, and committed to exterminating jihadism in America and where ever it attacks America's interests, AND I AM ALSO A JEW, so you can take your "leftist" smear and shove it. b/ The "protocols" were published in Russia decades before the Nazis came to power, so whatever "typical" pre-defense you are flinging resembles a chimp throwing feces outside his cage. (old song sung offkey: "paleo" accuses conservative Jew of dual allegiance, conservative Jew is outraged, paleo shouts back "see, you are too defensive and "helping" the left" with your dissonance, so you've made my point".) Why don't you just come out and admit it - you're intellectually incapable of distinguishing between cinos and jinos who are active on the left and voted for Øbowmao, and real jews (mostly religious but not all) who subscribe to conservative political thought AND PUT THEIR TIME AND MONEY TO DEFEATING DEMS. You can't make the leap. In your bunker, only Christian Whites are allowed in, and the rest of us jew and non-white conservatives can pound on the gates. Are you even sure which sects of Christianity you will let in the compound when the balloon goes up? Who is on the "approved" list? Evangelicals? Catholics? Only those who subscribe to replacement theology? Does Alan Keyes get in? Too other "stained"? Pretty soon you'll be sympathizing with the schmuckistinians, after all, St. Pat insists those nasty Joos stole their land! /s Make sure you stock up on enough ammo and food - the next Haym Solomon might tell you to pound sand.

64 posted on 10/04/2010 12:38:35 AM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Pelham

I have, not sure what else I can say. We both have the same passage in front of us, and you seem to think that it’s derogatory, and I think it’s just the opposite.

I fear we are at an impasse, force or not. ;)


65 posted on 10/04/2010 9:32:34 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: Redcitizen

Only if we plan to stay.


66 posted on 10/04/2010 9:42:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (nO)
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To: Yehuda

“I intimated nothing. “

I see, yoda. So that was more a pure smear rather than an intimated smear. Glad you clarified it. The rest of your post was interesting as an example of a paranoid rant, but if that’s how you really think you might want to seek medical help.


67 posted on 10/05/2010 2:27:33 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: BenKenobi; PetroniusMaximus

I don’t think the passage is derogatory, it just doesn’t say what the Wikipedia poster argues that it does. If you look at the section of Democracy in America that it comes from you can see that De Tocqueville was defending Americans against the European perception that they were all a bunch of uncultured rubes.

De Tocqueville wrote that the position of Americans was exceptional in the sense that they were living in a vast undeveloped land, something no other democracy had ever experienced and something that was unlikely to happen in the future.

Anyway my point still is that ‘American Exceptionalism’ appears to be a neologism of recent vintage. I’ve read a lot of political science and history over the last three plus decades and I’ve only seen the phrase pop up recently.


68 posted on 10/05/2010 2:41:21 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Pelham
De Tocqueville wrote that the position of Americans was exceptional in the sense that they were living in a vast undeveloped land, something no other democracy had ever experienced and something that was unlikely to happen in the future.

Anyway my point still is that ‘American Exceptionalism’ appears to be a neologism of recent vintage. I’ve read a lot of political science and history over the last three plus decades and I’ve only seen the phrase pop up recently.


Tocqueville was fiercely insightful in his observation that the geography of the United States seemed to be designed for the American people, as outlined in the earlier chapters of Democracy. Later foreign observers--my favorite being G.K. Chesterton in his "What I Saw in America"--noted the distinct American character. Both stated the exceptional circumstances in American life, but I don't think it was ever meant to imply the supremacy of anything and everything deemed "American."

Tell me that American Exceptionalism isn't the functional equivalent to "my mother drunk or sober."
69 posted on 10/06/2010 11:42:14 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Cicero, where art thou? Leave a voicemail message?)
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To: Das Outsider

I think it’s more along the lines of “my sometimes drunken mother is always sober and the model of perfection for all you louts”.

I was just wondering where you’d been. Must have been a premonition.


70 posted on 10/07/2010 8:47:33 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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