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2 Rutgers Freshmen Charged Making Sex Tape Of Student (The young man killed himself)
PIX Channel 11 NJ ^ | 9-29-2010 | ARTHUR CHI'EN and SHELLEY NG

Posted on 09/29/2010 11:19:14 AM PDT by Frantzie

NEW JERSEY (WPIX) — A freshman at Rutgers University is believed to have committed suicide after he was secretly taped by two other students during a sexual encounter, police said. The video was allegedly broadcast on the internet.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: bullying; consequences; crime; homosexualagenda; invasionofprivacy; privacyrights; richpunks; rutger; rutgerscriminals; selfdestruction; sexualharassment; suicide; video; wiretapping
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To: OpusatFR
The decedent chose death.
It is all on his own hands.

I am not going to join the mouth foamed lynch mob here that seems to be angry that the room mate and his girlfriend have not been sentenced to a gulag because an outed gay decided to jump off a bridge instead of marching in rainbow parades.

For people accusing others of hate - and that even more loathsome crime of possible Christianity - the mourners of the decedent sure are a merciless, unforgiving, and violent lot.

101 posted on 09/29/2010 12:37:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
If you want to say the room mate shouldn't have put it online - well the deceased shouldn't have kicked out his room mate for the tryst - it's about even

There are no words...

102 posted on 09/29/2010 12:37:18 PM PDT by fml
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To: little jeremiah
So you’re fine with homosexuality, then.

No, not really. It's just that I'm even less fine with self-righteous prigs.

They're almost as bad as the people who presume to put words in other peoples' mouths.

103 posted on 09/29/2010 12:38:19 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: OpusatFR; r9etb
This is just disgusting.

What's weird is that we have one faction practically celebrating the death of a confused teenager and another faction calling for the head of the teenager who pulled a cruel prank.

104 posted on 09/29/2010 12:39:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: TexasCajun

No need to speculate. From the article:

“Roommate asked for the room till midnight,” he tweeted on Sept. 19. “I went into Molly’s room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay.”

Suspected as much upon seeing Tyler’s pic (left sidebar in the article). Probably couldn’t face having family find out he was gay.

Looks like the spy camera crew may be going to jail (not that it is any consolation to Tyler’s family):

“Ravi was released on $25,000 bail Tuesday after surrendering to Rutgers police, while Wei was released on her own recognizance Monday after surrendering to authorities.

According to Middlesex County Prosecutor Bruce Kaplan, it is a fourth-degree crime to collect or view images depicting nudity or sexual content of an individual without that person’s consent. The crime becomes a third-degree offense if the images are transmitted or distributed.”


105 posted on 09/29/2010 12:39:34 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: little jeremiah

What are you getting at? I already agreed it was.


106 posted on 09/29/2010 12:40:03 PM PDT by fml
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To: Frantzie
Wow. You have a really screwed up idea of right and wrong.

And you have an inability to distinguish between serious and non-serious crimes.

107 posted on 09/29/2010 12:40:04 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: r9etb; TSgt
You act as if you're qualified to cast the first stone.

That is one of the most misused Scriptures of all time . It happens to be about hypocrites and has nothing to do with this thread.

And you are behaving as if pointing out the consequence of sin is wrong. It's not. It is what we are to do.

108 posted on 09/29/2010 12:42:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: wideawake

Oh stop.

I called the two reprehensible reptiles.

They are. I certainly haven’t called for their heads.

Whatever happens to them, they will live with their actions a long, long time.


109 posted on 09/29/2010 12:42:30 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: wideawake
What's weird is that we have one faction practically celebrating the death of a confused teenager and another faction calling for the head of the teenager who pulled a cruel prank.

Just two sides of the same coin, really.

110 posted on 09/29/2010 12:42:50 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: fml; MrEdd
If you want to say the room mate shouldn't have put it online - well the deceased shouldn't have kicked out his room mate for the tryst - it's about even

There are no words...

 
 
 
Oh, I have words.
 
That's a pretty good observation. WTG Mr Edd!


111 posted on 09/29/2010 12:43:31 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: radiohead
How about some charitable feelings for his parents and family?

This isn't his funeral service. What Freepers do is discuss events. That's what we are doing.

112 posted on 09/29/2010 12:43:41 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: wideawake
What's weird is that we have one faction practically celebrating the death of a confused teenager and another faction calling for the head of the teenager who pulled a cruel prank.

Frantzie's off his meds. I think he's letting his disdain for people with non-European-sounding names color his perspective.

113 posted on 09/29/2010 12:43:42 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Patriotic1
Agreed. They were like two sarcastic and sanctimonious libs.
114 posted on 09/29/2010 12:44:01 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: wideawake
What's weird is that we have one faction practically celebrating the death of a confused teenager

Actually no. We have a faction saying that the homosexual behavior of the young man was sad, wrong, and had consequences.

Wait, I forgot - to the Gay Activism Crowd, not celebrating homosexuality is hate.

115 posted on 09/29/2010 12:44:17 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: wideawake
one faction practically celebrating the death of a confused teenager

I'd say that over-states things just a bit.

Homosexuality is a bad choice.
No one is happy that this individual took his own life.

I don't see any celebration here.

116 posted on 09/29/2010 12:46:58 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
That is one of the most misused Scriptures of all time . It happens to be about hypocrites and has nothing to do with this thread.

lol.... I used it quite consciously, and precisely for the reason you stated.

And you are behaving as if pointing out the consequence of sin is wrong. It's not. It is what we are to do.

Wow. Are you seriously suggesting that suicide is the expected and appropriate consequence for the dead kid's sin? What other sins do you suggest, for which the consequence should be suicide?

117 posted on 09/29/2010 12:47:30 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Frantzie

What a sad story. Prayers for the family and friends of the deceased.


118 posted on 09/29/2010 12:48:26 PM PDT by DemforBush (You might think that, *I* could not possibly comment.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; MrEdd
Somehow I knew you would.

Why does the guy not deserve privacy for a trist - he should do it in the hall? Would you feel the same about broadcasting if he were with a girl or wanted to be alone with a girl?

119 posted on 09/29/2010 12:48:40 PM PDT by fml
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To: Frantzie

The lesson here is clear: Always check around for a web cam before making out with another dude.


120 posted on 09/29/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: r9etb

Thank you for your comments. I’d like to point out that, despite the pretences of the loudly self-identifying Christians on this thread, I haven’t seen a single person here defend this young man’s homosexuality.

Am Christian myself and am absolutely sickened by homosexuality... but that still leaves room for my heart breaking for this kid who will never have a chance to turn from his mistakes. It’s also painful thinking of his family who will suffer knowing the agony he must have been going through to make this decision to kill himself and will never forgive themselves for not having been there to somehow help him through his mistakes.


121 posted on 09/29/2010 12:50:47 PM PDT by Tamzee (OBAMA ---- ALL SHAM, NO WOW)
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To: radiohead

“I am not a Christian”
So what are you?


122 posted on 09/29/2010 12:51:19 PM PDT by beefree
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To: OpusatFR
Oh stop. I called the two reprehensible reptiles. They are.

They are, indeed.

I certainly haven’t called for their heads.

I did not say you did.

Whatever happens to them, they will live with their actions a long, long time.

Correct.

I think they pulled this nasty prank out of anger against someone they barely knew. I doubt either of them anticipated his suicide.

Carrying around that burden for life will not be enjoyable.

123 posted on 09/29/2010 12:52:15 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: r9etb

Wow. Are you seriously suggesting that suicide is the expected and appropriate consequence for the dead kid’s sin?

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Watch it r9. You might blow a gasket with this reply.

But yeah. Suicide is an expected and appropriate consequence.

Talking about moral and spiritual suicide here. This guy was spiritually dead. Now he’s physically dead too.

Am I happy? Do I believe he deserved it? No, of course not. But it is to be expected.


124 posted on 09/29/2010 12:54:40 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: r9etb
lol.... I used it quite consciously, and precisely for the reason you stated.

So you believe that teh people pointing out that the young man killed himself out of shame are also homosexual? Quite a reach.

Are you seriously suggesting that suicide is the expected and appropriate consequence for the dead kid's sin?

I am pointing out that he thought so. Or he wouldn't have done it.

Actually in the homosexual propaganda book, After the Ball, one of their talking points is to blame all homosexual suicides on the attitude of society. I see it's working.

125 posted on 09/29/2010 12:54:40 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: TSgt

As they used to say in these parts “he joined the Air Force ‘cause The Army wouldn’t take ‘im.”


126 posted on 09/29/2010 12:55:13 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: fml

If he HAD done it with a girl... If he was a normal guy...

Chances are he’d still be alive today. Not dead from his own shame and guilt.


127 posted on 09/29/2010 12:56:05 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: fml; Responsibility2nd; MrEdd
Would you feel the same about broadcasting if he were with a girl or wanted to be alone with a girl?

Are they attending college for pre-marital sex which is also wrong? Does the committing of one sin make another ok?

128 posted on 09/29/2010 12:57:11 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Tamzee

.... I haven’t seen a single person here defend this young man’s homosexuality.

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You posted this reply to r9etb? You might want to rethink that remark.

r9etb was defending this young man’s homosexuality way back to post 11.


129 posted on 09/29/2010 1:00:19 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: r9etb

Just trying to find out what your meaning is.

What do you think “self-righteous” means?

Here’s what my Synonym Finder says it means:

Righteous in one’s own esteem, sanctimonious, pharisaic, smug, puritannical, hypocritical, pietistical, unctuous, insincere, etc.

So any criticism of homosexuality is wrong, then? Since pointing out that it is wrong exhibits “self-righteousness” (not sure which meaning) to you? In fact, pointing it out is worse than practicing and promoting same sex sodomy?


130 posted on 09/29/2010 1:01:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: fml
Why does the guy not deserve privacy for a trist - he should do it in the hall? Would you feel the same about broadcasting if he were with a girl or wanted to be alone with a girl?

1. He does not have his own place. So he attempted to eject his room mate to have privacy. I stated that before - you are choosing to ignore it because if you acknowledge it then you have no point. He was not entitled to privacy because privacy comes with having your own place. He might have gotten a hotel room.

2. And yes, I would see all of this the same way if it had been a tryst with a girl, followed by jumping off a bridge for some reason or other.

3. Broadcasting it was wrong, but not more wrong than kicking your room mate out so you can get your jollies.

131 posted on 09/29/2010 1:01:19 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
So you believe that teh people pointing out that the young man killed himself out of shame are also homosexual? Quite a reach.

Uh, no -- and speaking of "quite a reach".....

As to the verse in question, perhaps you need to do a bit more research on its meaning before you presume to lecture others on its proper use.

132 posted on 09/29/2010 1:02:56 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Responsibility2nd

That’s a deflection


133 posted on 09/29/2010 1:03:42 PM PDT by fml
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To: Responsibility2nd
r9etb was defending this young man’s homosexuality way back to post 11.

Look, son -- I already know you're an idiot. You don't have to keep reminding me.

134 posted on 09/29/2010 1:04:44 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: DJ MacWoW
You are correct..I was just reading an article about the Swiss being so alarmed at their super high rates of suicide amongst men, young and older, who are bisexual and homosexual, that they are instituting programs in their schools, starting in kindergarten with book “The Prince that had Two Daddies”, irrc.

This is the focus, not on the deadly act of anal sex that liberals encourage and celebrate to our young children, but on those around these kids who do not want it taught as normal behavior.

Liberals literally “love” people to death don't they?

135 posted on 09/29/2010 1:04:50 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: wideawake

There is a stat out there that says homosexuals are 9 times more likely to commit suicide than straights. I guess a lot of them have the inclination but just need something to push them over the edge.


136 posted on 09/29/2010 1:07:16 PM PDT by decisis
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To: MrEdd
Attempted to eject might make a good defense if the truth wasn't already out there.

Days before the shocking suicide, Ravi posted to his Twitter account, tweeting that his roommate Clementi had asked for some privacy. "Roommate asked for the room till midnight," he tweeted on Sept. 19. "I went into Molly's room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay."

The kid asked for and got privacy, it's how decent people get along. Why they taped him is anyones guess. Mine is they knew and wanted to humiliate him.

137 posted on 09/29/2010 1:12:29 PM PDT by fml
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To: Zhang Fei
Most normal 18-year-olds just laugh it off or boast of their prowess.

Homos do that?

138 posted on 09/29/2010 1:12:37 PM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: r9etb

While you’re about this thread taking Holy Scriptures way out of context - just to defend homosexuality; take on this one.

James Chapter 1

14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

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This is specific to what happened on the George Washington Bridge last week.

But I’m curious. How would YOU spin this to suit your needs?


139 posted on 09/29/2010 1:13:16 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Both sins were his.

The question was directed at the statement that his wanting privacy was deserving of the taping. Do you agree?

140 posted on 09/29/2010 1:14:12 PM PDT by fml
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To: r9etb
As to the verse in question, perhaps you need to do a bit more research on its meaning before you presume to lecture others on its proper use.

Maybe you should. Christians are called to tell people right from wrong. It's part of the message. Repentant sinners tell unrepentant sinners about sin and it's cost.

Hypocrisy comes in if an alcoholic tells others not to drink to excess while loaded. Or a thief telling others not to steal while picking their pocket.

141 posted on 09/29/2010 1:18:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: TSgt
And why wouldn’t he want his family to know?

Because he knew in his heart it was wrong.

Bingo.

So much for "pride", even in this ridiculous culture that treats Sodomy as sainthood.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

142 posted on 09/29/2010 1:18:58 PM PDT by The Comedian (Guns, Gold, Food - The guy with the guns ends up with all the gold and food.)
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To: r9etb
Reading the thread, I think you're both self-righteous.
143 posted on 09/29/2010 1:19:43 PM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: fml

Your point was (is) not clear.


144 posted on 09/29/2010 1:19:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: roses of sharon
Liberals literally “love” people to death don't they?

Yes but it's not real love. Real love tells the truth and the cost for sin. If someone really loves, they tell people the truth.

145 posted on 09/29/2010 1:20:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: r9etb
Wow. Are you seriously suggesting that suicide is the expected and appropriate consequence for the dead kid's sin? What other sins do you suggest, for which the consequence should be suicide?

You are reading what isn't there. It's a tragedy. That doesn't nullify the fact that homosexual acts are unnatural, unhealthy, immoral and the consequence of personality disorders. Nor the fact that the room mate was a stupid fool.

146 posted on 09/29/2010 1:22:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: fml

College should be about education, not illicit sex.


147 posted on 09/29/2010 1:22:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: fml

There is no expectation of privacy in a shared room. He was a naive kid who thought there was.


148 posted on 09/29/2010 1:23:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: The Comedian; TSgt

No one has any excuse.

Rom 2:15
They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.


149 posted on 09/29/2010 1:24:27 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: little jeremiah

That seems to be an ongoing problem with you. Sorry


150 posted on 09/29/2010 1:26:18 PM PDT by fml
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