Posted on 09/29/2010 11:19:14 AM PDT by Frantzie
NEW JERSEY (WPIX) — A freshman at Rutgers University is believed to have committed suicide after he was secretly taped by two other students during a sexual encounter, police said. The video was allegedly broadcast on the internet.
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This whole episode is a horrible tragedy. All 3 were immoral. But it is very unpopular to point that out. It is also unpopular to point out that FR backs social morals. I don't understand why as it is a cornerstone of conservatism.
Yes indeed, I have read about bundling. They were fully clothed, had a board between them, and adults were generally in the room.
They were also engaged to be married.
If you think throughout history illicit sex was perfectly acceptable and as common as now, you are fooling yourself or trying to fool others.
You are correct but taking all the railings off certainly results in more straying who might not have.
Some kids are fine with the railings off, mine were. I was naive, anxious about being in college, worried about whether I would get a date, just young. I needed every protection there was and am glad I got it.
Can you think about something for just a moment for me, please? Do you honestly think your behavior on this thread would attract non-Christians to Christianity? I don't believe it would and I'm hoping you'll examine your actions in that light...
My grandmother lived in a DoD dorm as you describe - grandpa used to walk about twelve miles each way to see her.
Note that I exist.
The dorm rules meant nothing.
And the more adults turn a blind eye or even promote illicit sex, the more kids will do it. Especially kids that grow up in houses with no married mom and dad.
Excellent comments, cajungirl!
Tell it!
Would it be disturbing to discover that someone else’s child wasn’t having sex? Would it make you doubt your smart ass assumption that we should all “get over it” and just let them be free?
You see your “get over it” implies that we as adults have a problem. We don’t. Most of us are established, living decent lives, working, planning and enjoying life.
The people who are suffering here are the very kids you so easily dismiss as having sex. They often don’t get over it. They suffer a lifetime for their actions and the inaction of the adults around them. I saw them in a university, I saw first hand the misery the sexual revolution has given to children. With the enabling of the adults who are having vicarious thrills and telling the grownups we should just “get over it”.
If people will be attracted to religion that says “If it feels good, do it”, there are plenty of fake churches and synagogues for them.
On this thread, no one has expressed happiness in what happened. No one has said “Yay” the poor guy died.
Are you saying that to point out that homosexual behavior is wrong will turn people away from God? Because it says that in every religion in the world.
I know your grannie must be proud that you outed her as a woman who got pregnant before marriage. Was that your intention?
Back in the day, not so long ago, she would have married your grandfather, had a big big baby for a seven monther and we all would have said “oh what a large premie”.
But you come along and throw grannie under the bus for your argument. Shame on you.
Really, Caligula? Going to make your horse, Incitatus, a Senator?
Everything you know is wrong.
Do you think that ignoring immorality is real love? It is not. Immorality kills people. Their souls and their bodies. This story is proof of that.
I get testy. Have you been attacked for pointing out immoral behavior through the whole thread? No. Very easy to judge someone and say they're out of line when you haven't been the one called a liar when you were not. Or accused of defending the immoral loons who taped the young man when you never defended them.P> Maybe you need to look closer at the attacks on morality. Jesus wasn't passive.
I seriously doubt if your grandmother was doing a bunch of boys starting at age 12 or 14. Or that your grandfather was a porn afficiando or had experimented with homosexuality, or had tried dozens of women.
All of which are unfortunately not uncommon now.
I don't see it that way.
That he was engaged immorally in no way excuses what the others did, but it seems that many here would rather discuss the victim and his sins.
Yes he took his own life, but to deny the prank was the catalyst is mindboggling. The shame of the act was his, not ours.
Gosh, now people promoting sexual morality are like Caligula, who was not exactly known for his virtue.
With the enabling of the adults who are having vicarious thrills and telling the grownups we should just “get over it”.
How are you going to stop it?
We're all sinners.
“I know your grannie must be proud that you outed her as a woman who got pregnant before marriage. Was that your intention?”
Nope - never said any of that.
We’re all sinners, but that’s not an excuse to promote sin.
Since we are now free to discuss Patton’s grannie.
I doubt she had Herpes and had to suffer repeated painful attacks and had to take medicine to keep from giving it to any baby she decided not to abort.
I am glad she didn’t have HPV and have to have procedures on her cervix to make sure she didn’t get the cancer associated. And didn’t have to worry about her larynx which is now known to sometimes have cancer associated with hpv.
i AM SO GLAD HIS GRANNIE DIDN’T GET AIDS. From some bisexual liberated male about campus trying ti out with her and the guys.
And I am glad his grannie married and had children and they had children resulting in his being her acting like a 14 year old who is fighting with his parents.
He won’t out his kids but he will out his grannie. Maybe that is his problem. Maybe grannie wasn’t so happy with her early marriage to a man who walked around alot.
No one is excusing what the video taping creeps did!
Sheesh. No mental acuity.
“If you think throughout history illicit sex was perfectly acceptable and as common as now, you are fooling yourself or trying to fool others.”
Caligula? Get it? Your morality is not the historical norm?
It’s getting crazy. Standing up for morality means one is now a member of the Taliban, a Victorian, and Caligula himself.
Ultimately it is their life and we all live in the same society. We can do our best, but must be prepared for the worst. Which I beleive is the case with the victim and his family in this case
It’s interesting that there is an upswing now in young people - more pro-life, and more wanting to wait until marriage.
Furtiveness is a thing of the past. You're talking about a country where it's now fashionable to be gay. Look at the all the celebs doing same-sex kissing in public. It's almost a fetish now.
Where did I state that it did?
but it seems that many here would rather discuss the victim and his sins.
Because his sin is what gave them power over him. And they used it. And that is the whole point. Immoral behavior DOES hurt people. It's why blackmail works. It's why people hide what they do. Morality never hurt anyone. But you wouldn't know it by reading this thread. Read again some of the remarks on the thread. You'd think being moral, upright and clean was a death sentence when it is the exact opposite.
Who would that be?
I pretty much see one group saying all these young people did wrong things that played a part in this, and another group saying the deceased had no part in his own suicide, and only his room mate and his room mate's girl friend did something wrong.
You point out who it is that is blaming only the decedent, and we will examine their posting history to see if it matches your assertion.
Well, the way we always stopped it. First by people like you not telling us to “get over it” and acting like it is desirable for young people to live like feral animals.
Second by providing a family for your children that protects them. Doesn’t allow dating at age 12, watches over the kids, knows what they do, tells them what not to do and what will happen if they do it. Meeting their dates and letting them know a man is in the house watching. Making them come home sober at a reasonable hour and knowing where they go. Waiting up!! WAITING UP every time your child goes out with the opposite sex. Monitoring their friends and activities.
Raising kids requires much of a parent that is a bit like a guard, intuition and watchfulness.
And BTW doing that does not result in sluts as someone said. It results i healthy kids who are relieved they are being watched as they know they are loved and treasured.
I can’t give you a lifetime of what we do to raise kids who dont get abused by the people around them. I just can’t but I know it is possible to do. I did it just like my parents and theirs. My kids all thank me now as they do the same with their kids.
Chastity among women has always been valued, for one thing. In every monotheistic culture and some that weren’t or aren’t sex outside of marriage has been frowned upon. I don’t mean in each and every spot on the globe since the dawn of time.
No. Some are repentant sinners. The rest are unrepentant sinners.
Right, but that sin could have been any sin. Making the victim accountable for being victimized is just wrong.
Again I really don't see where anyone is questioning the value of moral behavior or justifying his acts...it is not necessay.
You know, if you are going to dicuss my grannie, it would be polite to ping me.
And Granny only got married once - Grandad is buried in Arlington Cemetery.
It's a truism, like extramarital sex being a sin.
You can just repeat it over and over with various adjectives thrown in and use it to rhetorically beat someone until they just get tired of trying to have a conversation and leave. Then you can feel like you won something.
That’s because pointing out morality and how far this country has fallen makes people uncomfortable.
No dear, I didn't say that religion should be "If it feels good, do it." And I didn't say that pointing out homosexual behavior is wrong, I despise homosexuality. But I am extremely distressed at the lying and bullying on this thread by supposed Christians, the lack of compassion that is being displayed for a confused and misguided teenager who made horrific mistakes, and the self-righteous preaching against posters supposedly promoting homosexuality when nobody here has done any such thing. I believe the way you and a few others have conducted yourselves on this thread reflects badly on Christians and this site that I love.... it's very distressing.
Who knows which is which?
I know you’re all pro-homo and stuff, but if the guy was having gay sex in my dorm room, I would want to at least embarrass him into not doing it. So if he kills himself, is that my fault?
I don’t ping because if you are interested, you will see my post.
I don’t think Granddaddy would be proud of you now. Telling us to “get over it”. Believe it or not, we, when things happen, love our children and cope and make the best of it. But we are not casual about sex as you seem to be.
We all know it happens and in the best of families. But the lightness of your “get over it” as if the sexual revolution has been kind to kids and adults is making trivial what has caused much much misery in our world.
And you must keep grannie’s secret a secret. She married, she did the right thing. She didn’t act like what we see now. It was a different time.
“Raising kids requires much of a parent that is a bit like a guard, intuition and watchfulness”
Agree. Hard work, but I do my best.
"A confused and misguided teenager"?
There were three confused and misguided teenagers who made horrific mistakes.
You personally are not displaying anything close to Christian compassion.
Leave the lynch mob.
Yes. If you don’t like it, make a fuss. Dont videotape with pleasure and post it to humiliate him.
Gee whiz, cannot you see the wrongness of that.
I didn't do that either. I pointed out that his immoral actions gave 2 immoral people power over him. And that they used it. That doesn't make him less of a victim. It simply states how he became one. Without his immoral behavior, they would have nothing to use against him.
Again I really don't see where anyone is questioning the value of moral behavior or justifying his acts...it is not necessary.
Then you didn't read most of the thread. There are plenty of people excusing immoral sexual behavior. Not specifically homosexual behavior.
I thought you did in post 76 ....If you want to say the room mate shouldn't have put it online - well the deceased shouldn't have kicked out his room mate for the tryst - it's about even.
and Responsibility2nd in post 127 to name 2 he HAD done it with a girl... If he was a normal guy... Chances are he’d still be alive today. Not dead from his own shame and guilt.
I could be wrong...
If you don't know, read the Word about forgiveness. We are NOT all simply sinners. There are repentant, forgiven sinners. And there are unrepentant sinners.
What hypocrisy are you referring to? Are you saying that just because nobody is perfect, that it is wrong to point out that illicit sex, what to speak of homosexual acts, are wrong?
I don't get your point. Other than I'm wrong for saying that illicit sex is wrong?
How old are you? College kids humiliate.
And those who are repentent turn away from their sin.
I used to be an alcoholic, drug using, thieving (occasionally) lying sometimes, promiscuous slut.
Forty years ago, that is. I changed, repented, and begged God to forgive me. I haven’t been perfect since - had a few falldowns - was sorry, and changed even more seriously.
Of course I still sin - sometimes I get angry when I shouldn’t, find fault when I shouldn’t, eat too much, etc. But I don’t do what I used to do, thank God.
Yes but is it right to do so? No.
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