Skip to comments.2 Rutgers Freshmen Charged Making Sex Tape Of Student (The young man killed himself)
Posted on 09/29/2010 11:19:14 AM PDT by Frantzie
NEW JERSEY (WPIX) A freshman at Rutgers University is believed to have committed suicide after he was secretly taped by two other students during a sexual encounter, police said. The video was allegedly broadcast on the internet.
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I am old and I know college kids very well. ANd this kind of humiliation, totally unnecessary, was lethal. Wouldn’t you agree?
Junior high school and early high school kids humiliate. THis is not ordinary for college.
So because he couldn’t take the heat, he offs himself and the roommate who isn’t into his dorm smelling like $h!t is to blame?
Hardly the same thing as saying only Clementi was at fault.
And I note you posted only one part of one of my many posts to try to evoid the part of the blame I applied to the room mate and his girlfriend.
I think you need to read the entire thread, from the beginning, and you’ll see that there wasn’t lying and bullying by those standing up for virtue.
There were plenty of attacks on those promoting sexual morality, though.
Is it right for two guys to be gettin’ on my dorm room?
A lot of us have repented and changed. It doesn’t mean we’re perfect. And we never will be. It just means we acknowledge wrong doing and try to be better people.
“I dont think Granddaddy would be proud of you now.”
Well, I hope he is. You can google his eulogy - I posted it to FR.
And when he had my parents married (with a shotgun), I think he knew I was going to work out.
Of course, my kids say I am a genetic defect - damn perfectionists.
I think I see where we are differing in our viewing the immoral behavior both conducted by the teenagers in this article and by posters on this thread. I do agree that all three teens engaged in sinful acts, but I feel a deeper and more disturbing dimension of immorality is reflected in sins conducted out of maliciousness.
Is it right to run down the hall to your girlfriends room, turn on the webcam and tape it, the distribute it? No.
Committing a felony by line streamingwhat went on in a private room is not a way to embarrass him. Tell the kid - NO you cannot have the dorm room for sex - go somewhere else. All he need was to say NO or stay in the dorm and tell the kid to somewhere else for sex.
Frantzie the world is going to end! I agree with you! ;-)
You said in post 414.... Yes he took his own life, but to deny the prank was the catalyst is mindboggling.
Let me correct you. The catalyst was Clementi’s devient perverse lifestyle, not the prank.
If that boggles your mind, then so be it. Seek spiritual guidance.
Not if I'd let her have 40% of the profits.
I said the school should have a policy of no sex in the dorms.
Ravi could have told him - no you cannot have the dorm to have sex in the room. I need to study or I need to go to sleep. Go out to a car, the library, hotel or whatever.
All three were immoral but Ravi and Molly’s actions were felonies.
Ravi could have just said NO. I am starting to think this kid may not have jumped off the bridge. I hope not.
And many of us know the suffering that comes with such egregrious immorality.
That’s not funny.
Yup. And I agreed with you!
If only homosexual sex was valued by society this could have been prevented?
I have followed this thread for hours since the first post. My observations and discomfort with your posts remain the same. I believe you honestly mean well in that you think you are standing up for virtue. I give you credit for diligence. I think your debate tactics and lack of compassion are counter-productive, however, and will repel non-Christians instead of attracting them by setting a loving and moral example.
I think he is one of the “Guilty/Not Guilty” posters from the pedophile teacher threads.
It’s par for that crowd.
I was just listening to the song “Drop Kick Me Jesus Through The Goal Posts of Life” on You Tube. Don’t know what made me think of that song.. LOL
Have you read lately what Jesus said to the Pharisees? They weren't words of love.
Um yeah. It would be. Thanks.
YES... --more useful idiots... All the country needs now is another homosexual martyr Matthew Shepard law put on the books...
YES its quite alright for leftists to "out" or smear conservatives that do NOT kill themselves --but for shame; a noble homosexual sex act be the cause of a suicide...
Oh the humanity...
I feel for all those affected BUT know exactly why the leftist media runs with this story and it ain't about compassion...
How am I not loving? I can only imagine the pain and heartbreak of the boy’s family, and the torment he went through. I came very close to suicide as a teenager and I know what the black despair feels like.
But that does not nullify the fact that all. three. did. wrong. And that people who do not do wrong, do not cause horrible situations that result in this kind of tragedy. Doesn’t mean that people who don’t engage in peeping tomism or illicit sex don’t suffer, but at least they do not bring this kind of stuff on themselves.
Standing up for virtue is love. Saying “there there, God loves you no matter what you do” isn’t love. Why? Because it keeps people in the darkness of sinful rebellion - engaging in acts that cause more and more suffering for themselves.
I’m not saying that God doesn’t love everyone - He does. But He wants us to turn from our selfish sinful life and take shelter of Him. People can change, and become happy and at peace, and leave such egregious sinful life behind.
If someone thinks that message is harsh, I didn’t invent that message, so don’t blame me.
It's interesting that you brought up the Pharisees, I have wanted to do that several times on this thread myself but kept refraining. Wasn't Jesus' unhappiness with the Pharisees due to their judging sinners out of pious self-righteousness and not out of mercy, love and humility?
I recall he also used a whip on the money changers and kicked over their tables.
You think Jesus would have condoned sexual immorality?
He condemned all sins, but gave the message of repentance and love. He never told anyone that they were okay as they were.
You don’t have to look far to see how the militant gay community is pushing this as a hate crime already.
But watch how fast they shut up when it’s discovered that Clementi was with some older fag who was simply going about the normal business of “recruiting” a young boy,
LOL! Well this is a state school and this is what the taxpayers and parents get. The parent should say - if I am paying the bills - no sex in the dorms. The ACLU probably sued over this.
Colleges have become like this 4 year deviant babysitter service and sort of trade school.
The news media and parents alumni should be asking if adults at 18 and over should be having sex in the dorms. Two students in small studio apartments are not designed for having sex in them anyway.
The media has already made it into a gay bullying issue.
But Ravi is Indian or something and Molly is Asian so it would politically incorrect to brand them as “homophobes” so society will get the blame.
If it had been the Duke soccer team well they would have been lynched by now.
Thank you, that was what I was hoping to hear included in your remarks. I wouldn't have argued with you had you included those thoughts with your other posts.
Im not saying that God doesnt love everyone - He does. But He wants us to turn from our selfish sinful life and take shelter of Him. People can change, and become happy and at peace, and leave such egregious sinful life behind.
I agree. What I found the most painful about this tragic article is that this teenager will never have the opportunity to choose that path now.
TSgt got it right. I've known enough of them to know.
I agree with you.
You said it exactly as it is. Great post.
I believe you'll figure it out if you think about it.
There is no way you can sincerely get that impression from my remarks. I don't think you are trying to discuss this honestly.
Does reading the Word tell you what's in a man's heart and mind?
A normal sane person does not kill themselves.
Not true. Many sane people escape pain and suffering and some even do it to save their family from misery. Don’t sweep with such a broad brush there, TSgt.
No. The Pharisees made up man rules to follow and ignored God's rules for one thing. They also refused to support their parents in their old age claiming that they couldn't because the money was dedicated to God. They used God but were not used by God. That was where Jesus anger with them came from.
The Pharisees used the law for their own ends. God had nothing to do with it.
And preaching morality has nothing to do with Pharisees. Nor being hypocritical.
I asked you before and you had no answer. So answer now. From Post 412: Do you think that ignoring immorality is real love? It is not. Immorality kills people. Their souls and their bodies. This story is proof of that.
He did. He showed righteous anger at sin. He was not passive. Christians have been lied to that anger is a sin. It is not. Jesus became angry and He didn't sin. Sin happens when anger is misused in a way that is not Godly.
I do not debate religion on FR. There are too many different faiths on here and I would not hurt anyone by saying that I believe they are wrong. So I won't continue with religious debate on this thread.
The young man committed suicide. That’s an on purpose sort of thing, and really - it all rests on the person who chooses to do it.
I agree. It’s the ultimate decision. BUT, we are all affected by our peers, sibs, spouses and family. You have not lost a loved to suicide. Good for you! Now back off those who have, Mr. Edd aka forever known to me as Mr. Callous.
I am sincerely trying to understand your point.
No, I don't believe that ignoring immorality is real love. I've said repeatedly that I think his actions were immoral... I believe homosexuality is a perverse self-indulgance and sexual gluttony. But I think you are missing the forest for the trees and your comments regarding the Pharisees only confirms that.
I'm going to say good night now as I don't believe further debate will change any minds. Thank you for the discussion and I wish everyone well.
Exactly. One should be tolerant about offenses to oneself, but not to offenses to God and truth.
I think you don't know much about the Pharisees.
Going to bed. Night!
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