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New Yorkers outraged as bureaucrats order city to change lettering on every single street sign
NY Daily News ^ | 9/30/2010 | ANDREW PHILLIPS & PETE DONOHUE

Posted on 09/30/2010 8:00:45 AM PDT by Qbert

The city will change the lettering on every single street sign - at an estimated cost of about $27.5 million - because the feds don't like the font.

Street names will change from all capital letters to a combination of upper and lower case on roads across the country thanks to the pricey federal regulation, officials said Wednesday.

By 2018, MADISON AVE. will become Madison Ave. and will be printed in a font called Clearview, the city Department of Transportation says.

The Federal Highway Administration says the switch will improve safety because drivers identify the words more quickly when they're displayed that way - and can sooner return their eyes to the road.

Still, several city residents were OUTRAGED.

"That's ridiculous," said James Sullivan, 34, a bike messenger from Queens. "They might as well just burn the damn money."

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The city has about 250,000 signs, and it costs about $110 to replace one, the DOT says. Officials said the new signs will have improved reflectivity and clarity for nighttime drivers.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: democrats; newyork; ny; wastefulspending
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To: dfwgator

“I guess they had to find jobs for all of those Census workers.”

I wouldn’t doubt that there is a connection between this and the so-called ‘dip in unemployment claims’ recently...


51 posted on 09/30/2010 8:21:40 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

An order coming to a city near you?


52 posted on 09/30/2010 8:21:52 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Qbert

And the drumbeat of the coming revolution grows stronger...


53 posted on 09/30/2010 8:21:57 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: marlon

Government creates more problems than it ever fixes.

Our city has been told BY THE EPA that by Oct. 15th. we can no longer use the landfill to dump shrubs, leaves, grass clippings and limbs. The only problem is there is NO WHERE ELSE to dump them. We can dump garbage there but no yard debrea. How dumb is that?! It’s all garbage!


54 posted on 09/30/2010 8:23:00 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Qbert
Someone should do a study "proving" that people can understand Roman numerals more easily than Arabic numerals (maybe do a survey of Latin teachers at a classics conference). Then they can spend money changing street signs to have Roman numerals.

For example, that would be E CCI St.

55 posted on 09/30/2010 8:23:47 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sacajaweau

Its everywhere by federal fiat.


56 posted on 09/30/2010 8:24:42 AM PDT by John W (Chuck Todd Is An Ass)
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To: Qbert

Most of the cabbies in NY can’t read English anyway...


57 posted on 09/30/2010 8:24:51 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Not to me.


58 posted on 09/30/2010 8:25:22 AM PDT by brktxpyr
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To: Qbert
I suppose a Texas-to-the-EPA style "FU" is beyond the grasp of NY?

Yeah, not gonna happen.

59 posted on 09/30/2010 8:25:35 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: Dick Vomer

“which company is going to make the new signs? Always follow the money...”

Acorn and La Raza.


60 posted on 09/30/2010 8:26:07 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Qbert

“The Federal Highway Administration says the switch will improve safety because drivers identify the words more quickly when they’re displayed that way - and can sooner return their eyes to the road.”

That might be true at interstate or highway speeds but on city streets - come on.


61 posted on 09/30/2010 8:26:27 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their federal funding!)
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To: Qbert

Looking into my crystal ball.....

I see all the signs are changed to the new font.

I see the mayor writing a check for $27 million.

I see.... I see...

A bureaucrat deciding he doesn’t like the color green.


62 posted on 09/30/2010 8:27:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Qbert

Is this going to mandated nation wide? Let me guess: our stimulus dollars at work?


63 posted on 09/30/2010 8:28:37 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: edcoil
exactly!

that is the FIRST thing I thought of too!

It is NO coincidence that Warren Buffet was one of Obama’s advisers when the Democrats pushed through the healthcare bill which requires everyone to buy insurance like the kind Buffet sells through his Geico insurance unit.

This is just another case of the government ordering us to buy the products of those that donate to their elections.

64 posted on 09/30/2010 8:32:39 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Qbert

It is 100% certain there will be a follow up to this story about all the newly repainted signs with spelling errors, incorrect street/avenue names, signs mounted upside down or mounted on the wrong street.


65 posted on 09/30/2010 8:33:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I prayed: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it - He sent the Obamas.)
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To: Qbert

Wait until they have to change them all to Arabic.


66 posted on 09/30/2010 8:33:08 AM PDT by crosshairs (If I agreed with a liberal, then we would BOTH be wrong.)
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To: Qbert

Look at the areas where you have the highest population of liberals. You also have the highest number of laws and regulations, highest tax rates, highest costs, highest debt, and highest crime rates. This is the result of a Liberal utopian society.


67 posted on 09/30/2010 8:34:07 AM PDT by Wee-Weed Up
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To: Qbert
I am just surprised they didn't require them to be done in braille also and placed lower so that blind people could reach them!

*shakes head*

68 posted on 09/30/2010 8:34:44 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Iron Munro

“It is 100% certain there will be a follow up to this story about all the newly repainted signs with spelling errors, incorrect street/avenue names, signs mounted upside down or mounted on the wrong street.”

;-)


69 posted on 09/30/2010 8:35:27 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Maybe a little bit of a delusional theory.

Maybe a republican mole in the DOT trying to get everyone mad at the democratic fools in charge.


70 posted on 09/30/2010 8:35:51 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (I still like peanut butter)
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To: kcvl

This hillarious because in our city the EPA has told the city that it can no longer dump limbs and brush on a piece of land it owns.. it has to be taken to the dump or recycled!


71 posted on 09/30/2010 8:37:01 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Qbert
The $27 million figure is BS.

Being familiar with construction, I know if will cost far more than $110 per sign. It would require several men to travel, set up ladders/platforms at thousands of locations and work at heights. The signs would also have to be placed at the proper locations and orientations.

When all the mistakes, accidents, union fighting and regulations are done with, I’d be surprised if it only costs $100 million. Then add a few giant city lawsuits from people or ambulances getting lost due to sign mistakes.

Every day, I feel more like I shouldn’t have left the USSR. Rather depressing…

72 posted on 09/30/2010 8:37:28 AM PDT by varyouga (Obama doesn't care about white people!)
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To: Hacklehead

73 posted on 09/30/2010 8:38:25 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: brktxpyr
Not to me.

When you read all caps you have to read the letters. When you read mixed case your brain can get a snapshot of the shape of the whole word, which helps you recognize it faster. Take the word "SHAPE" which is just a rectangle and "shape" which has the ascender of the "h" and the descender of the "p" to help faster recognition. You may not notice it since it happens pretty much subconsciously, but this is scientifically established for those raised in Western languages.

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE IT WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS.

We prefer things in mixed case since it's more readable.

This is why typing the occasional word in all CAPS helps emphasize. It's not just because it's bigger, it breaks the normal mixed case flow and instinctively makes you read the letters more carefully.

Yes, I'm a typography nut.

74 posted on 09/30/2010 8:40:03 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: All

Ohio alone spent $1 Million on stimulus road signs:

http://minx.cc/?post=297907


75 posted on 09/30/2010 8:43:26 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Wonder who’s uncle owns a sign making company?.


76 posted on 09/30/2010 8:44:38 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: varyouga

“The $27 million figure is BS.
Being familiar with construction, I know if will cost far more than $110 per sign. It would require several men to travel, set up ladders/platforms at thousands of locations and work at heights. The signs would also have to be placed at the proper locations and orientations.

When all the mistakes, accidents, union fighting and regulations are done with, I’d be surprised if it only costs $100 million. Then add a few giant city lawsuits from people or ambulances getting lost due to sign mistakes.”

—Great point!


77 posted on 09/30/2010 8:45:29 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: DManA
Looking into my crystal ball..... I see all the signs are changed to the new font. I see the mayor writing a check for $27 million. I see.... I see... A bureaucrat deciding he doesn’t like the color green.

Welcome to the world of the graphic designer. Just be glad they didn't put the "O" logo on each one.

78 posted on 09/30/2010 8:45:55 AM PDT by ponygirl (TEA people: First we take out the RINOS. Then we finish off the Socialists.)
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To: lacrew

[ Not just NYC. Its the front page story here in Topeka, KS today. Its a federal rule change...our local county has asked ‘what if we don’t change the signs?’. Nobody knows the answer yet...probably some sort of fed funding will be withheld. ]

Federal Funding = Federal Control


79 posted on 09/30/2010 8:46:12 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mr. Silverback

ahh yes, obama frosting to cover stale bread.


80 posted on 09/30/2010 8:57:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: antiRepublicrat

“Yes, I’m a typography nut”

Right, that’s the kind of nut you are. :-\.

Seriously though, the difference in word recognition times between all caps and mixed is probably less than a quarter second. It doesnt make a significant difference in the real world.


81 posted on 09/30/2010 8:59:39 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Note to Leftists- We Will Bury You (politically)
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To: Qbert

Obama jobs program?


82 posted on 09/30/2010 9:01:00 AM PDT by ShandaLear (The price of Obamacare? 30 pieces of silver.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Abolish the EPA along with numerous other worthless bureaucracies!
83 posted on 09/30/2010 9:03:35 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Qbert

This is a perfect issue for Paladino. Tell Bloomberg he will lose the $27m in state aid if he capitulates to the Feds.


84 posted on 09/30/2010 9:03:35 AM PDT by nbenyo
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To: libertarian27

Good find. It looks like make-work for city unions. Another dip into taxpayers pockets for politicians to buy union support.


85 posted on 09/30/2010 9:04:40 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: Qbert

But think of all the JOBS this change is creating!!!! Cities across the country will have to hire tons of new employees just to change out the signs.

Don’t laugh. This actually IS how govt. creates jobs.


86 posted on 09/30/2010 9:10:58 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: Hacklehead
Seriously though, the difference in word recognition times between all caps and mixed is probably less than a quarter second.

It definitely is, and at 35mph a quarter of a second is almost a car length when you're trying to find the street you're looking for. It would be advantageous for the signs to be more easily readable, the problem is that the difference isn't enough to justify millions to replace serviceable signs. This is an improvement a smart government saves for when the signs need replacing anyway.

87 posted on 09/30/2010 9:12:42 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Qbert

This is the fed’s business why? Are these federal highways?


88 posted on 09/30/2010 9:20:30 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: nbenyo

“This is a perfect issue for Paladino.”

Yep. And Joe DioGuardi, too.


89 posted on 09/30/2010 9:20:40 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: edcoil

>>Sounds like the sign makers and construction union to replace them have made their proper payment to government election campaigns.<<

Yep. When something seems to make no sense, it means we have just not identified the reason it is being done. Now it makes sense. ;)


90 posted on 09/30/2010 9:21:59 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Paine in the Neck
This street sign program is part of the Retain The Marxist Agenda Long After They Are Booted Out Of Office Act Of 2010. Coming soon: The Undo What The Marxists Did In Their Four Years Of Constitutional Demolition Act Of 2011.

Unfortunately, the 2011 act will probably cost more than the aforementioned 2010 act.

91 posted on 09/30/2010 9:24:18 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: Qbert

Good grief. What a waste of money.


92 posted on 09/30/2010 9:24:42 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Ever since my lesbian 5th grade teacher gave me an F every marking period in handwriting (and the lowest rank for "effort"), my handwriting has been in all caps. I have no problem with it... probably because my background is technical. I've had Gen Y people freak out because rather that using italics, my emails still use caps for EMPHASIS, because my first email client was pine on a UNIX server. I love scrawling my signature though... completely unreadable... everyone thinks I am a doctor.
93 posted on 09/30/2010 9:25:48 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Qbert

If they really wanted to improve readability, they’d order a dark font on a light background. Any vision expert will tell you that.


94 posted on 09/30/2010 9:26:20 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Qbert

Ours got either vandalized or corrected, depending on perspective...somebody crossed out the “to work” with what looks like electrical tape. That doesn’t make much sense; perhaps they were planning to change the “putting” to something else (I can think of several options) and were interrupted.


95 posted on 09/30/2010 9:26:38 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Qbert

Maybe the city didn’t like all those signs yelling on the streetcorners.


96 posted on 09/30/2010 9:27:08 AM PDT by GnL
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To: lacrew
Its a federal rule change...our local county has asked ‘what if we don’t change the signs?’. Nobody knows the answer yet...probably some sort of fed funding will be withheld.

Would that be the fed funding to make the change? Sounds like a wash.

97 posted on 09/30/2010 9:27:45 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: edcoil
I'm curious as to who makes these signs.

At one time, we were all going to have to get new license plates here in NYS....made by prisoners....

Folks went nuts and they said...okay...people win...you don't all have to get new plates.

So, is this legislation that they really wanted in the first place. They're feeding someone with this contract.

98 posted on 09/30/2010 9:29:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Qbert

And since when does the Fed have the authority to tell a city or state how to manage it’s internal roadways?

Oh, nevermind. I must be thinking of some other country ...


99 posted on 09/30/2010 9:31:15 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Qbert

100 posted on 09/30/2010 9:31:38 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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