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President: “We Need More Teachers.” Reality: “Yoohoo! I’m Right Over Here! Hellooo!”
Cato Institute ^ | 9/29/2010 | Andrew J. Coulson

Posted on 09/30/2010 9:09:57 AM PDT by gartrell bibberts

This week, President Obama called for the hiring of 10,000 new teachers to beef up math and science achievement. Meanwhile,...public school employment has grown 10 times faster than enrollment for 40 years (see chart), while achievement at the end of high school has stagnated in math and declined in science (see other chart).

(Excerpt) Read more at cato-at-liberty.org ...


TOPICS: Government; Testing
KEYWORDS: budgets; education; reeducation; teachers; unions
Ever wonder why teachers make more per hour than architects?
1 posted on 09/30/2010 9:10:02 AM PDT by gartrell bibberts
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To: gartrell bibberts

We need more GOOD teachers.


2 posted on 09/30/2010 9:12:19 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: gartrell bibberts

We don’t need more teachers. We need BETTER teachers who aren’t stupid mind-numbed liberals.


3 posted on 09/30/2010 9:13:04 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: gartrell bibberts

Let’s ALL work for the government!!

We’ll let everyone else pay taxes!

um.... wait..


4 posted on 09/30/2010 9:13:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (GO! PALADINO FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK!)
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To: hsalaw

I am wondering if you have to pass some sort of ‘test’ to find out if you are liberal enough when you apply for a job as a teacher

There has to be SOME conservatives who want to be teachers, right? So HOW did they get so infested with liberals?


5 posted on 09/30/2010 9:14:30 AM PDT by Mr. K (GO! PALADINO FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK!)
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To: Brookhaven

Yes, but will they be able to defend themselves against students—as in physically defend themselves, or will they be flattened by school principal cowardice? Discipline of students is more of an issue than having teachers per se. We don’t need wardens in the classroom, even if this is, in some cases, all too true.


6 posted on 09/30/2010 9:15:59 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Brookhaven

The good teachers don’t want to be a part of the leftist agenda. They know it doesn’t work and it’s immoral.

Only two solutions for responsible parents: homeschool or private school

If they can’t do either of those, don’t have kids in the first place.


7 posted on 09/30/2010 9:16:37 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: gartrell bibberts

I was watching a documentary on the Nazi controlled government under Adolf Hitler, and the documentary said that the greatest supporters of Adolf Hitler were elementary school teachers. Eventually, the Nazi government controlled every facet of the education in Germany. Let his be a wake up call. I fear we are headed in the same direction.


8 posted on 09/30/2010 9:24:47 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: gartrell bibberts

Obama wants more dues-paying union members - whether they are called “teachers” or not is irrelevant.


9 posted on 09/30/2010 9:28:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Soothesayer
Well sometimes children come as a “surprise”. Our daughter came as a surprise at age 37. She is in a rare conservative high school. We cannot afford private school anymore. I am finding that virtual school used by home schooling is the way to go. She is already half way through Honors World History in just 4 weeks. (Shows you how much time is wasted in school) Except for the Biochemistry labs, ASL and Intermediate Portfolio Art classes at school, I'm looking to have her get her remaining HS credits this way. Heck, she could then move on to AP courses and skip almost 2 years of college!
10 posted on 09/30/2010 9:30:20 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: gartrell bibberts

We need K-8 curriculum to be purged of ALL social engineering in the curriculum and in the class room, purged of the Left’s political bias embedded in the curriculum an d text books, and return K-8 education to an emphasis on building, and supporting the advancement of BASIC SKILLS, in reading and vocabulary, geography, math and science.

When the proper cuts are made in what does not belong in the curriculum and in the class room, there is plenty of time left for the existing number of teaching slots to concentrate on the basics. Maybe we need to fire some of the well-indoctrinated “teachers” that have come out of academia with their professors’ Leftist marching orders and hire some retired business people who already have the proven knowledge, skills and real-world experience.

Grades 8 to 12 need a whole other set of reforms, providing very different education opportunities for students with very different levels of already acquired skills, and already established aptitudes, to try to focus on their real world career prospects.


11 posted on 09/30/2010 9:31:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: gartrell bibberts

That’s about as original and insightful as saying “we need more funding for education”.

Throwing more union at the problem will make it worse.


12 posted on 09/30/2010 9:34:49 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: gartrell bibberts

“We Need More Teachers”

TRanslation: “We Need MOre Statlinist Indoctrinators of Young People”

IMHO


13 posted on 09/30/2010 9:35:11 AM PDT by ripley
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To: gartrell bibberts

We need more homeschoolers.


14 posted on 09/30/2010 9:40:30 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I believe in man-made political climate change.)
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To: gartrell bibberts
President: “We Need More Teachers Propagandists.”
15 posted on 09/30/2010 9:43:28 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: gartrell bibberts

We need more teachers because we have more children of illegals taking seats in our classrooms. Lets spend the money instead on deporting 10,000 illegal families.


16 posted on 09/30/2010 9:46:38 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Mr. K
There has to be SOME conservatives who want to be teachers, right? So HOW did they get so infested with liberals?

The conservatives who have an affinity for math & science went to college and got degrees in things like, you know, math and science. Liberals went to the schools of education, because they are too dumb to handle technical subjects. The government school system considers the latter credential to be sufficient for teaching math & science, but not the former.

17 posted on 09/30/2010 9:48:10 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: gartrell bibberts
Obama: “We Need More Teachers.”

Translation: We need more Bill Ayers types to indoctrinate our kids.

From Investor's Business Daily (IBD), August 27, 2008:

"Ayers, now a tenured distinguished professor of education at UIC, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

One of Ayer's descriptions for a course called 'Improving Learning Environments' says prospective K-12 teachers need to 'be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and ... be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation.

The Annenberg papers are quite extensive — 132 boxes containing 947 file folders with 70 linear feet of material. They undoubtedly contain more surprises regarding Obama's relationship with Ayers, one of many relationships Obama has sought to hide.'..."

Article: Annenberg Papers: Putting On Ayers?
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304729375940845
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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REVOLUTION: Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA [Maoist]
[Revolution] Interview with Bill Ayers, Revolution #63, October 1, 2006:
"On Progressive Education, Critical Thinking and the Cowardice of Some in Dangerous Times"
http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

18 posted on 09/30/2010 9:51:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: poobear

Sorry to break it to you but it won’t make any difference. The vast majority of her generation are stupid, nasty, destructive, envious freaks. They will punish her for being intelligent and successful and they will win. The stupid outnumber the smart by a million to one.

It’s why I’m NEVER having kids and will remain celibate to ensure it doesn’t happen by accident. There is absolutely no hope.


19 posted on 09/30/2010 9:51:32 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Brookhaven
Let's do some quick mathematical checks.

10,000 new teachers - a nice sounding number ain't it?
But was is the practical impact?

10,000 new teachers spread out among, let's say 40 states, cause after all not every state supports the Emperor, do they?

That boils down to 250 teachers per state, assuming a politically equal sharing.

So, how many schools does your state have? I think it is well above 250.

So these teachers will be concentrated in schools that “need” them while the rest of us do with out.

I wonder what this proposed program is really designed to do; other than provide so political buzz for the Emperor and his supporters.

20 posted on 09/30/2010 9:55:15 AM PDT by Nip (A COIN carrier since 1975.)
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To: Soothesayer
It’s why I’m NEVER having kids and will remain celibate to ensure it doesn’t happen by accident. There is absolutely no hope.

It should encourage sane-thinking people (like you and others here) to have MORE kids, to help balance things out! :)

21 posted on 09/30/2010 9:57:35 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: gartrell bibberts

Federal taxpayer funding of hiring more school teachers (unconstitutional, by the way) will result in more union dues paid, and more election campaign support.
Do architects have a labor union contributing to DimRat campaign funds?


22 posted on 09/30/2010 9:59:12 AM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Soothesayer

If you find there is absolutely no hope in your world or a child’s world then it is probably best you stay with your desire to remain childless.

I on the other hand have faith. Our daughter was a Gift and I refuse to give up on her chances of having a full and rewarding life, even if it means giving everything I have in this world up to insure it! Hell, I’d give my life for her.

Meanwhile, I’ll not give up hope that you too will find peace and fulfillment in your life soon.

Thank you for your post.


23 posted on 09/30/2010 10:02:10 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: ETL

I might reconsider if the Democrat’s voting fraud attempt fails next month. There might still be a pocket of civilization in the southwest where I can raise a family in peace.

If the monsters are still in power by 2012 then FORGET IT! I’m not watching my child get lined up against a wall and shot or worse turned into a leftist rodent through brainwashing.


24 posted on 09/30/2010 10:04:34 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: wiggen
In California alone, the state has 9870 schools, so 10k more teachers in the United states would not equal very many new union tax payers per state, and then add the extra 7 states obama says we have... goodness
25 posted on 09/30/2010 10:07:08 AM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: Mr. K
There has to be SOME conservatives who want to be teachers, right? So HOW did they get so infested with liberals?

Where to start? Just take a look at who runs public schools. Women, minorities and union people. Everyone can make of that what they will.

26 posted on 09/30/2010 10:12:01 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: hsalaw


We don’t need more teachers. We need BETTER teachers who aren’t
stupid mind-numbed liberals.

Ain’t gonna’ happen.
When I lived in Los Angeles, I often caught Bill Bennett’s radio show
(IIRC, he was something like Sec. of Education under Reagan).
He would occassionally have a show on the public school’s concerted effort
to keep REALLY qualified folks OUT of teaching science/math/physics.

My favorite case was a physics professor at Georgia Tech that had been “teacher
of the year” (twice?).
Once he became an emeritus professor, he offered to teach high school
physics FOR FREE.
He was turned down cold.

Yeah, the teachers’ union is “for the children”.
Public Schools are the most “closed shop” of any occupation on Planet Earth.


27 posted on 09/30/2010 10:15:55 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Sloth

Well, of course, Dude! Like man, once you’ve been taught to teach you don’t need to be taught stuff to teach but if you’ve only been taught stuff to teach but not taught to teach then you just can’t teach stuff even though you have been taught stuff. SEE?

Those who can do, those who can’t teach.


28 posted on 09/30/2010 10:22:47 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Clem Hussein Kadiddlehopper would be a vast improvement.)
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To: gartrell bibberts

And more lawyers,doctors have lost their license than teachers,now that is one strong union. /s


29 posted on 09/30/2010 10:52:42 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: JoanneSD

You know Joanne,he may of well said,”We need 10,000 more locked in Dem voters.”


30 posted on 09/30/2010 10:53:19 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: gartrell bibberts

LOL that’s as bad as slick willie’s 100,000 new LEO’s......do people actually know how many school districts are in even 1 state much less all 50? 0’s math skills do not compute any more than slick willie’s did.

Memphis spends twice as much to build the same sq foot school building as does Shelby CO. They must have pretty schools for the deprived. And we in the county have to pick up the tab of $2.00 for every $3.00 the city spends. (Different schools systems for the county and the city. City schools are dysfunctional) General student ratio is 20 per teacher now. For what we spend as a nation on ‘education’ we could hire private tutors for each child and save money.


31 posted on 09/30/2010 11:53:14 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: Sloth

I’m a conservative history teacher. Of course, I’m an endangered species, but I survived my university.


32 posted on 09/30/2010 3:56:06 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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