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Gov. Christie calls Tyler Clementi's Suicide an 'Unspeakable Tragedy'
NJ.com ^ | 9/30/10 | Matt Friedman

Posted on 09/30/2010 11:28:41 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

Gov. Chris Christie today called the suicide of Rutgers freshman Tyler Clementi an “unspeakable tragedy,” but said he would let Attorney General Paula Dow figure out how to prosecute the case against two fellow students accused of recording him in a sexual encounter.

“Well, first of all, as the father of a 17-year-old, I can’t imagine what those parents are feeling today – I can’t,” said Christie.

“You send your son to school to get an education with great hopes and aspirations.

Christie said his feeling on the case as a father “overwhelms whatever feelings I have as governor” and that he didn’t know how Ravi and Wei could sleep at night “knowing that they contributed to driving that young man to that alternative.”

The two have been charged with multiple counts of invasion of privacy.

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1 posted on 09/30/2010 11:28:45 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Clementi was enrolled in the school’s music program and was accomplished violinist.

Paul Mainardi released a statement confirming Clementi’s suicide. “Tyler was a fine young man, and a distinguished musician. The family is heartbroken beyond words. They respectfully request that they be given time to grieve


2 posted on 09/30/2010 11:30:04 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Prayers to his family. Please do not respond with negativity.


3 posted on 09/30/2010 11:31:03 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
The two have been charged with multiple counts of invasion of privacy.

It seems there should be some sort of manslaughter charge brought as well. If you kill someone while driving drunk, you aren't just charged for the open container.

4 posted on 09/30/2010 11:31:40 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Teenagers in this day and age treat each other horribly. Prayers to the family that lost their son


5 posted on 09/30/2010 11:33:44 AM PDT by Jessica2677 (S.O.S.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Teenagers in this day and age treat each other horribly. Prayers to the family that lost their son


6 posted on 09/30/2010 11:33:57 AM PDT by Jessica2677 (S.O.S.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Teenagers in this day and age treat each other horribly. Prayers to the family that lost their son


7 posted on 09/30/2010 11:34:01 AM PDT by Jessica2677 (S.O.S.)
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To: mnehring

“Under New Jersey’s invasion-of-privacy statutes, it is a fourth degree crime to collect or view images depicting nudity or sexual contact involving another individual without that person’s consent, and it is a third degree crime to transmit or distribute such images. The penalty for conviction of a third degree offense can include a prison term of up to five years.”


8 posted on 09/30/2010 11:34:21 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Agree. Prayers for his family.


9 posted on 09/30/2010 11:34:22 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Jessica2677

In Honor of Tyler Clementi

http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Honor-of-Tyler-Clementi/153517964681258


10 posted on 09/30/2010 11:36:24 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: mnehring
It seems there should be some sort of manslaughter charge brought as well. If you kill someone while driving drunk, you aren't just charged for the open container.

But we know that if you drive drunk, there is fairly decent possibility of getting into an accident.

While pulling this stunt was irresponsible, did the culprits even have the faintest idea this guy would have killed himself over it?

11 posted on 09/30/2010 11:36:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: dfwgator
While pulling this stunt was irresponsible, did the culprits even have the faintest idea this guy would have killed himself over it?

Their willing actions still resulted in a death. It may be involuntary manslaughter, but they are still in part responsible.

12 posted on 09/30/2010 11:38:00 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

The school year had only just begun. It is a time when freshman still need parenting through supervision by the school, or things can get crazy fast.


13 posted on 09/30/2010 11:38:15 AM PDT by kenavi (What drove BP to drill 5,000 feet down?)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

May The Lord give peace to his family.
I can’t even imagine what they are going through.


14 posted on 09/30/2010 11:38:19 AM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: dfwgator

Governor Christie:

“That kind of stuff is just unacceptable,” he said. “And you don’t know the feelings of the person on the receiving end of that …There might be some people who can take that type of treatment and deal with it. There might be others, as this young man obviously was… much more greatly affected by it.”


15 posted on 09/30/2010 11:38:36 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Prayer to his family. This loss will be hard to overcome.


16 posted on 09/30/2010 11:40:51 AM PDT by fml
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Are we sure this was the only contributing factor to his decision to end his life, or merely the straw that broke the camel’s back?


17 posted on 09/30/2010 11:41:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Perhaps if these two are convicted and punished appropriately it would send a message to others who would even think about doing these things. We live with gotcha journalism and voyeuristic media shows so prevalent that young people think nothing of imitating same.


18 posted on 09/30/2010 11:41:43 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

It is a tragedy, for someone to be so unstable that they take their own life over being filmed in what was by all reports consentual sexual activity.

Those that committed this violation of his privacy should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It was without a doubt a gross violation of this mans privacy as to what happened.

Yet he chose to take his own life over it, which is not the sign of a sane and rational person.


19 posted on 09/30/2010 11:41:48 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I grieve over the loss of this young man and pray for his family.


20 posted on 09/30/2010 11:44:45 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (Reconciliation - November 2nd.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

To tell the truth I also feel sorry for the kids who did this and have ruined their own lives.


21 posted on 09/30/2010 11:45:32 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: dfwgator

Not to be nit picky but the actual stunt is a felony. Now maybe they can tie a felony crime with a death. I do not know. I would rather them go down that path than “hate” crime because he may have been gay.

I think college dorms as bordellos do not help matters. Christie may want to see about NJ making it easier for dorm roomates to say “hey - I am here to study and get an education.” “Take the sex somewhere else.”


22 posted on 09/30/2010 11:45:54 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
This is heartbreaking.

Prayer bump

23 posted on 09/30/2010 11:48:30 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: mnehring

Ravi and maybe Molly committed a felony by broadcasting this to the web. Death in the commission of a felony? They maybe could pile on more charges.

“Ravi” should have just told the kid - no - take it outside. My guess is these “kids” reserve their dorm room for this.


24 posted on 09/30/2010 11:48:44 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: dfwgator
While pulling this stunt was irresponsible, did the culprits even have the faintest idea this guy would have killed himself over it?

Manslaughter is homicide without malice aforethought.

25 posted on 09/30/2010 11:48:44 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (Reconciliation - November 2nd.)
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To: dfwgator

The foul stench of YouTube.com.


26 posted on 09/30/2010 11:50:31 AM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: kenavi

One month at school and his life is over.

A terrible tragedy for him and his family.

Prayers and tears.


27 posted on 09/30/2010 11:53:34 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Frantzie

Charge them with the felony, absolutely. My point is that the fact the guy killed himself should have no bearing on the punishment. How many people in this same situation would have chosen to kill themselves over it??? I suspect that number would be extremely low.


28 posted on 09/30/2010 11:53:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: Lando Lincoln
While pulling this stunt was irresponsible, did the culprits even have the faintest idea this guy would have killed himself over it?

Manslaughter is homicide without malice aforethought.

Yes, but "manslaughter" is only applicable when your actions cause the death of someone else. The two miscreants certainly caused anguish and in the mind of this student terribly ruined his life. But those reprehensible actions did NOT cause his death.

29 posted on 09/30/2010 11:55:32 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

The roommate DID NOT KILL him.
This kid was weak and chose to kill himself.
Don’t conservatives believe in personal responsibility any more?


30 posted on 09/30/2010 11:56:08 AM PDT by nbenyo
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To: antceecee

Sadly it sounds a little like what appears to be the plot of the movie “The Virginity Hit” which is about to be released in theaters if not already out.


31 posted on 09/30/2010 11:58:19 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: VRWCmember

I’ll bet the courts will decide that question.


32 posted on 09/30/2010 11:59:04 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (Reconciliation - November 2nd.)
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To: bkepley

I don’t they’re old enough to be held responsible, what was their intention? It’s obvious it was to torture this poor kid. I hope they live with the consequences of their actions and never know a day of peace. I have a feeling the young man was not their first prey.


34 posted on 09/30/2010 12:00:57 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: mnehring

“If you kill someone while driving drunk,...”

But they didn’t kill him. He killed himself.


35 posted on 09/30/2010 12:01:39 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: dfwgator
"Are we sure this was the only contributing factor to his decision to end his life, or merely the straw that broke the camel’s back?"

The video was him with another guy.

36 posted on 09/30/2010 12:02:30 PM PDT by avacado
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To: dfwgator

IMHO, this is about as low as one can get, how sad


37 posted on 09/30/2010 12:03:25 PM PDT by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: bkepley

I’m not there yet, I don’t know if I ever will be.


38 posted on 09/30/2010 12:03:31 PM PDT by fml
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To: nbenyo

Boys and girls sharing the same room, what can go wrong.

Its sad and certainly tragic. Our society is dysfunctional an attacking these two ignorant girls isn’t going to solve it.


39 posted on 09/30/2010 12:03:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dfwgator
"How many people in this same situation would have chosen to kill themselves over it??? I suspect that number would be extremely low."

How many people die from being shot with a pellet gun? I suspect the number would be extremely low. Nevertheless, the one poor schlub that takes it in the eye socket and into the brainpan is just as dead.

Just because something that is done intentionally to victimize somebody does not usually lead to death does not exculpate the responsible parties when it does.

40 posted on 09/30/2010 12:04:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

What a tragedy. I’ll venture the young man was a virtuoso violinist, though I don’t know.

Extramarital sex is a sin, be it homo or hetero, but sin is sin, and Jesus had to shed his precious blood to atone for it.

Prayers for the young man’s family.

The dopey pranksters should be ashamed of themselves.


41 posted on 09/30/2010 12:04:21 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think that would make any difference, this is absolutely one of the cruelest actions besides physically attacking someone that anyone could possibly do.


42 posted on 09/30/2010 12:05:25 PM PDT by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: mnehring
Their willing actions still resulted in a death.

No, their actions did not result in a death. The only thing that resulted in a death was the choice that the boy made to kill himself. They are no more responsible for his killing himself than George W Bush was responsible for 19 islamofacists choosing to kill over 3000 Americans by hijacking 4 jetliners and crashing them into the WTC towers and the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field.

43 posted on 09/30/2010 12:06:21 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: swain_forkbeard
But they didn’t kill him. He killed himself.

He killed himself in part, because of actions they chose to do. They may not have intended his death as their actions, but they share much of the blame if they drove him over the edge. That's why I said manslaughter, not first degree murder. It is about personal responsibility on their part as well. Their actions led to a result, they should have personal responsibility for their share of the action.

44 posted on 09/30/2010 12:06:29 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: dfwgator

“did the culprits even have the faintest idea this guy would have killed himself over it?”

Often we hear reports of teenagers committing suicide due to bullying, etc. These pigs should have had a clue. Even if they didn’t, tormenting another human being in any way is unacceptable.


45 posted on 09/30/2010 12:06:54 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Every time a liberal whines, an angel gets his wings.)
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To: driftdiver
The boys were the roommates.

The boy and girl who did it need to be held accountable and made an example of.

I don't doubt for a minute they knew he was weak, bullies only tease who they percieve as weaker.

46 posted on 09/30/2010 12:07:46 PM PDT by fml
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I struggle with how to view this. There is no question that the kids pulling the prank acted very badly and Clementi’s death is a tragedy. The kids pulling the prank need to be prosecuted under the invasion of privacy laws to the fullest extent of those laws. Whether a prosecutor tries to go further with some additional charge? I don't know.

The question is how obvious is the causation between posting pictures of Clementi having sex on the Internet and his suicide. If someone asked me if its reasonable to assume someone may commit suicide if someone publicly humiliated them in that way, I'd probably say yes.

On the other hand, the kids pulling the prank, while mean-spirited, are still immature. Did they really think they were doing anything other than pulling a prank? Did they think through the consequences? That is a mitigating factor.

47 posted on 09/30/2010 12:07:57 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: HamiltonJay

What difference does that make?


48 posted on 09/30/2010 12:10:28 PM PDT by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
How do you sympathizers even know what he was doing?

None of that really matters. They recorded explicit video of him without his consent -- a crime. They then distributed that video -- a bigger crime.

49 posted on 09/30/2010 12:10:34 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: HamiltonJay

What difference does that make?


50 posted on 09/30/2010 12:10:38 PM PDT by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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