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'LOST': What is with this series? (Save time, ask Freepers)
October 9, 2010 | This Just In

Posted on 10/09/2010 10:22:42 PM PDT by This Just In

As many of you know, my family and I do not watch television. Well, perhaps I should clarify. We do not watch televised programming. Needless to say, we don't keep up on popular programming.

Last week, during a family outing, we found a used DVD set of the first 'LOST' series. For those of you who are not familiar with my posts, as a general rule, I don't trust what is usually produced in Hollywood. I find a majority of the films and programs to be veiled Socialist/Communist, nihilistic propaganda.

The 'LOST' series did not disappoint. I found the liberal stereotypes to by typical, and J.J. and Co. didn't bother to veil their ideology in the series.

You have your typical "redneck"(Sawyer), "Conservative"(Shannon), "religious wacko"(John Locke), and the rest of the cast and motley crue of social rejects and garden variety criminals. To be "fair", we're also given your kinder-gentler do-gooders as well.

If I sound cynical it is only because I am. I found this series to be devoid of any transcending quality, and quite frankly, I feel as thoe J.J. is actually pulling the wool over the viewers eyes.

Must to my chagrin, some in our family finds the series to be very entertaining. So much so that after we viewed the first season, my loved ones bought the second. I find this program to be a complete waste of time, but I sit and view the episodes so that our family can share time together as well as discuss the series.

I am here to ask Freepers to help me out; bottom-line me here. I can no longer endure this series without finding out where the writers are taking the viewers.

Here is what I believe the jest of the story is. In just a few words, it seems to me that the island is either Dante's Purgatory, some place in the "after-life". I believe that everyone on the island is dead, but that the "Hatch" and underground dwellings like it are perhaps just another level of hell, or something like that.

I don't have the time, nor to I wish to waste anymore in expressing my opinion on what I believe is the overall message in the 'LOST' series.

So, would someone please provide me with a summary of what's going on, and what the conclusion to this story is?

What happens to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Michael, Walt, Vincent, Charlie, Claire, Aaron, Rousseau, John Locke, Hurly? What happened to Jack's father? What is the source of the smoke and explosions in the jungle? What happened to Rose and Bernard?

I'm LOST.


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To: avg_freeper

I always saw a vague resemblance between the Lost characters and the Gilligan’s Island characters. For instance, the professor on GI and doctor on Lost were somewhat the same type of character. Hurley was sort of like Gilligan, and so on.


101 posted on 10/10/2010 6:41:36 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 55 days away from outliving Curly Howard)
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To: kbennkc

yes indeed, BEST show ever. I don’t like regular tv either. LOST is not tv.


102 posted on 10/10/2010 6:41:45 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: fr_freak

you weren’t watching the same show I was.


103 posted on 10/10/2010 6:43:46 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: This Just In
You really need to watch the whole series. Jack is a great hero. Sawyer does the right thing. Kate is reformed. Bernard and ....well you just need to watch it. Don't forget Vincent. He is important to the ending.
104 posted on 10/10/2010 6:48:22 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: This Just In

LOST is not meant for a passive viewer. Most people need thir entertainment to be force fed to them, hence the hostiity for the show.

You will be glad you watched. It is a wonderful show. The oly lull is the beginning of the third season, but by the second half of that season it is full steam ahead!


105 posted on 10/10/2010 6:49:30 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: wastedyears

NCIS jumped the shark two seasons ago.


106 posted on 10/10/2010 6:51:09 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

I agree! (We have the same taste in television)


107 posted on 10/10/2010 6:53:23 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
I wondered what that was. Charlie's death was heroic and selfless. Yes, he knew his life was a wreck but he chose to sacrifice It. Powerful moment in the show.
108 posted on 10/10/2010 6:53:34 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: All

I’d just like to cut in here and say that I have recently become a huge fan of Dr. Who on BBC America. As a kid growing up in Detroit, I used to occasionally watch and be terribly bored by the old version of this show back in the 60s and 70s. The new version is incredible!


109 posted on 10/10/2010 6:58:16 AM PDT by sand lake bar
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To: sand lake bar

I love Dr Who too, but I enjoyed the old ones as well, bit I have to say David Tennant is my favorite.

It’s funny, most people who like LOST also like Dr Who, 24, Battlestar Galactica and Dexter.


110 posted on 10/10/2010 7:01:58 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: streetpreacher
Well, like many here, I rarely watch the television for anything. But there are certain series over the years, due mainly to Freeper recommendations, that I buy on DVD so that I can watch at my own leisure. LOST was one of them.

I have therefore watched the first five seasons of LOST on DVD and the sixth season is sitting in my living room, still in shrink wrap, I'll probably get to it later in the fall.

I actually have found it to be quite an entertaining series. The producers did a very good job with it and the cinematography (of the Hawaiian islands) is stunning. I like the method by which each episode focuses on the backstory of one of the main characters by way of flashback. Each episode, you learn a little more about each of the characters and your initial impressions of the characters can change radically.

I found it to be devoid of political ideology so for those Freepers worried about that, don't worry.

Like any movie or TV show, it requires a certain suspension of disbelief. SO don't obsess over the fact that the characters always seem to keep themselves and their clothing squeaky clean. I used to joke to my wife that they must have a strip mall somewhere on the island with a laundromat and barber shop that we aren't seeing! And Hurley stays fat, so I guess that the pineapples must be high in carbs...and just how much medicine and mini liquor bottles get stored on an airplane anyhow! They seemed to never run out.

Anyway, once you get past the first few seasons, the series starts taking you on some pretty incredible twists and turns. I recommend watching on DVD or DVR so that you can re-wind and watch certain sections over again. But don't worry too much keeping up with all of the plot lines. I don't even think the writers of the show (and there were many) can keep those all straight.

So if you are looking for a nice clean ending, don't get your hopes up. I can see after watching Season 5 that there is no way everything can get wrapped up neatly in just one more season. But throughout, the show has been very entertaining, I can't remember one "dud" episode.

Benjamin Linus was my favorite character - what a wackjob, and this guy takes a lot of beatings! And Kate Austin is pretty hot. She's like Mary-Ann (from Gilligan's Island) only she is not somebody to be messed around with.

So it's a fun show to watch, just don't attempt to read a lot of deep meaning into it. BTW, my theory (and I have yet to see season 6) is that everybody on the show is dead but they are in purgatory.

111 posted on 10/10/2010 7:02:23 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 55 days away from outliving Curly Howard)
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To: This Just In

very sad episode when Sun and Jin die. I cried buckets!

BTW I’m trying to watch Hawaii 5-O for Daniel Dae Kim—jury’s still out on this show for me.


112 posted on 10/10/2010 7:04:43 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: This Just In

I think that despite your protests, the show has you hooked. One the one hand, you say it’s a waste of time. On the other hand, you just have to know how it all turns out. That’s cheating. If you really believe it’s a waste of time, then who cares how it ends? It’s fiction.


113 posted on 10/10/2010 7:21:18 AM PDT by Huck (We need the spirit of '76, not the spirit of '87)
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To: svcw

I watched religiously Lost, when it was on, hoping that they would resolve some of plots. They never did. As someone on a previous thread wrote, you need to have an understanding of the theological underpinnings of purgatory to understand Lost. These are lost souls looking for their way out.

Some of the drama is good, but, so much is contrived that it is meaningless.


114 posted on 10/10/2010 7:39:12 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (The only thing the ZerO administration is competent at is bad ideas.)
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To: This Just In; Kevmo
And it’s amazing how all the young beauty’s look smashing and fresh as a daisy most of the time. They even manage to look chic when they’re dirty.

Ever watch Gilligan's Island?

Lost is just a remake of Gilligan's Island, using modern stereotypes.

115 posted on 10/10/2010 8:34:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: This Just In

I didn’t read the long post #12. Can someone explain to me what it was about?


116 posted on 10/10/2010 9:45:56 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: This Just In

J.J. Abrams did not intend for this series to be a parody, but I view it as the perfect symbol of Hollywood; they’re ‘LOST’ on their own island of the mind.
***woooohooo, that’s sharp


117 posted on 10/10/2010 2:26:41 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: This Just In

“Perhaps you will qualify your accusations and quote my “hostile”, and, “condescending” words.”

Perhaps...


118 posted on 10/10/2010 6:08:09 PM PDT by streetpreacher (I'm not a preacher of anything; I'm just a recipient and unworthy steward of God's grace.)
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To: SamAdams76

Well, you are on the right track... just take the last episode for what it’s worth... and it’s not much.


119 posted on 10/10/2010 6:10:00 PM PDT by streetpreacher (I'm not a preacher of anything; I'm just a recipient and unworthy steward of God's grace.)
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To: This Just In
Sayid’s character, and the bad American’s who corrupted him, is just one shining example.

You have a good point on that one - I remember being annoyed by that particular arc. But off the top of my head, it's the only example I remember. If you choose to continue with the series, I found the show's flaws to be mostly in the areas of story continuity and too much time spent on the tiresome Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle, not hidden or overt political bias.
120 posted on 10/10/2010 7:59:29 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: BelegStrongbow

I appreciate the spoilers. The reason I didn’t wish to read through exhaustive threads was because I did not wish to waste too much time on the topic.

Thanks for the input.


121 posted on 10/11/2010 8:39:37 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: fr_freak

“If you don’t like the show, it’s because you didn’t “get it”, not because the show was a flawed mess. These fanboy types get pretty aggressive when the object of their adoration is criticized.”

Hit the nail square on the head, fr_freak. It’s interesting, if not amusing, to see some Freepers and how unglued they become over a television series.


122 posted on 10/11/2010 8:45:18 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: BelegStrongbow

Thanks for the suggestion and opinion. Deeply appreciate your point of view.


123 posted on 10/11/2010 8:47:25 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Not to be contentious, but Sayid did torture Nadia before the Americans ever showed up. The difficulty for him was that he was being ordered to torture his own commander, who almost succeeded in neutering him through insults and insinuations.

However, I also got the impression that he went further for the Americans than he ever had for Saddam, and that is unlikely in the real world to several levels of magnitude.


124 posted on 10/11/2010 8:48:27 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: mom4kittys

“LOST is not meant for a passive viewer. Most people need thir entertainment to be force fed to them, hence the hostiity for the show.”

This is not the reason I dislike the series. The reasons I don’t find the show to be very enjoyable have to do with theological and ideological issues.


125 posted on 10/11/2010 8:50:56 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: mom4kittys

I was born and raise in Hawaii. Hawaii 5-0 was a favorite. I watched a little of the first episode. As you can imagine, I did not like what I saw. The only similarities between the old show vs. the new, besides the title, are that it’s filmed in Hawaii, and some of the characters names are the same as the original.


126 posted on 10/11/2010 8:54:03 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Huck

I can understand why you may believe I am “hooked” on the series, but this is not the case.

I’ll illustrate my point. Have you ever conducted a science experience in which you had no desire to perform? You completed the experiment because you were required to in order to earn credit for the work. You did not enjoy the project, but found some of the information to be interesting.

Such is the case with ‘LOST’. I don’t like the series at all. As a matter of fact, I would be happy as a lark if my family never watched another episode. I wouldn’t have bothered posting this thread if I knew they wouldn’t purchase the rest of the series.

The only reason I am seeking information concerning the series is because:

1. My family will most likely view the entire series. Our family watches films together as one form of spending time together, so I will surely watch ‘LOST’ with them.

2. I refuse to be taken on the ride J.J. Abrams and Co. wish to take its viewers knowing that the end will provide little, if any, true closure or an uplifting conclusion.

These are the reasons for my inquiry.


127 posted on 10/11/2010 9:07:23 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Oztrich Boy

I would encourage you to read it. It may appear to be long, but it isn’t, really.


128 posted on 10/11/2010 9:08:27 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: BelegStrongbow
Not to be contentious, but Sayid did torture Nadia before the Americans ever showed up. The difficulty for him was that he was being ordered to torture his own commander, who almost succeeded in neutering him through insults and insinuations.

I'm afraid you've gotten your timeline mixed up. In the show Sayid never tortured ANYONE until the Americans showed up. His torture of Nadia, in fact his entire torture career, all happened after the incident with the Americans and his commander. Sayid, himself, whines about how he was a good man who never did any of these horrible things until the Americans came. That was what made it so objectionable and ridiculous.
129 posted on 10/12/2010 1:15:05 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

I don’t think so. He was ordered to torture her by the very man the Americans then order him to torture. What he was whining about was the extremity to which he said the Americans drove him, not that he had never tortured, about which he was somewhat coy in remembrance.


130 posted on 10/12/2010 2:47:45 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: This Just In
typical "redneck"(Sawyer),... "religious wacko"(John Locke)

Hardly. Sawyer and Locke are two of the best characters in television history, imho. I loved Lost, and I loved almost all of it's main characters, but Sawyer was the best, plus he's absolutely gorgeous.

131 posted on 10/12/2010 3:11:15 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Maurice Tift
For me, it was the best television series ever produced. Right now, I’m hooked on Fringe.

Agree 100%.

132 posted on 10/12/2010 3:20:20 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: BelegStrongbow
I don’t think so. He was ordered to torture her by the very man the Americans then order him to torture.

No, I don't believe that is correct. Sayid's commanding officer in the Nadia flashbacks is a different guy from the one he tortured during the Gulf War.
133 posted on 10/12/2010 3:21:22 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Lancey Howard
Perhaps you and the family would enjoy ‘Sons of Anarchy’. It’s pleasant family fare

LOL. I love Sons of Anarchy. It's one of my can't-miss shows.

134 posted on 10/12/2010 3:28:40 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: fr_freak

What I think we’re proving is that this is an incredibly tangential point, with considerable ambiguity as to timeline. The larger point now becomes even more credible: there are a few elements displaying a leftist point of view (surprise! whodathunkthat?) but ‘Lost’ was largely a non-partisan effort whose principal drawbacks were not unfair hits at American foreign policy but (1) three main characters whose personalities could not fully sustain the weight (2) inconsistent worldview leading to plot irregularities and causal problems (I’m thinking Charlotte here and Faraday as only one example - Juliet and Sawyer would be another) and (3) an unsatisfactory ending caused by trying not to offend any world religious tradition and, well, forgetting about some marginal characters.


135 posted on 10/12/2010 7:01:45 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Sandy

“Hardly. Sawyer and Locke are two of the best characters in television history”

My opinion did not concern whether or not Sawyer and Locke were one of the least “best characters in television history. That specific quote concerned the typical Leftist slant of the characters.

“I loved Lost, and I loved almost all of it’s main characters, but Sawyer was the best, plus he’s absolutely gorgeous.”

Well, you must admit that your opinion can hardly be objective due to your love for the series. And there is nothing inherently wrong with enjoying a television program you so thoroughly enjoy.


136 posted on 10/12/2010 10:35:04 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

How lucky to be raised in Hawaii! It is such a beautiful place. I watched the original Hawaii 5-O as a very young girl and I liked it a lot. I remember Jack Lord too.

I think I am mainly trying to like it for Daniel Dae Kim, however I tried to watch Vampire Diaries for Ian Somerhalder and couldn’t take it lol!


137 posted on 10/12/2010 4:48:01 PM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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