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LTC Lakin's Appeal Denied
U.S. Army Court of Criminal Appeals ^ | 10/12/10 | Clerk of the Court

Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.

(Excerpt) Read more at caaflog.com ...


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To: edge919

“Upon the facts agreed in this case, the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth. No doubt he might himself, after coming of age, renounce this citizenship ...”


This clearly acknowledges that a minor COULD lose his citizenship from an act of the parents, or on his own after coming of age.

However, would the same apply, in you opinion, to a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?

Natural Born is intrinsic to birth... and it would seem reasonable that not even a parent could renounce such a state for another — even his own child.

STE=Q


1,501 posted on 10/21/2010 2:59:43 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; LucyT; Las Vegas Ron; little jeremiah; Red Steel

I’m convinced that Senior is Junior’s biological father. So it doesn’t matter to me where he was born.
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I’m not convinced but I wouldn’t say he wasn’t either. I don’t know. I think there is a possibility that Gramps is really Dad.

There are so many things that are strange.

Why are there no photos of Mom and baby when he was a newborn. NONE! None with the grandparents either. Why are there no photos of him with Senior until he was 10 years old?

Why did Mom send Barry back to Hawaii at the exact same time that FMD got a divorce and his wife left him?

Why did Gramps take Barry with him to spend so much time with a pervert Communist that was being watched by the FBI?

Why did Gramps hang out in black bars? Who was the black bar maid that Barry speaks of in his book?

Why was Mom in WA enrolled in college when Barry was an newborn? A new baby, newlyweds, yet no photos, Senior was MIA.

Why does no one in Hawaii ever recall seeing Anne with Senior?

In Dreams....The part about finding his birth certificate in a book... so important he mentioned it but he lost it? I think that was deliberately put there to validate he had one.

The break in of his passport files.

The death of the gay boys that were his pals at Trinity.

Why no pictures of Barry with any girls? NONE not a single one. No dances, no proms, no dinner dates, NONE! Only photos of him with girly boys. Plenty of those.

Why won’t he release his college records? Health records?

WAY too much hidden about this creep. His entire past is shrouded in mystery and inconsistencies. Therefore I trust none of it.

There isn’t a doubt in my mind he was gay and is now bi-sexual but still prefers men. If your gaydar doesn’t go off when you see that limp wristed sissy boy, then you aren’t watching.

I could go on and on and on. Oddly enough, when I read Dreams it made me even more suspicious than I was before. His own words( or those of Bill Ayers) created even more suspicions.


1,502 posted on 10/21/2010 3:01:22 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Note the trips to Kenya by Junior. Why go (well before he declared his candidacy for POTUS) if he didn’t truly believe Senior was his father?

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I think he did or does think Senior was his father. It
doesn’t mean he was and you know that.


1,503 posted on 10/21/2010 3:02:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Danae
Absolutely pathetic.

LOL. I'll tell you what's pathetic: the fact that you would complain about a lack of a raised seal on Obama's scanned COLB (even though it was actually there), but then don't mind that Danae's doesn't have one.

Danae getting her long form so shoots your theories and explanations.

There's a problem here: the document she posted isn't a valid Birth Certificate because it has no raised seal and no signature.

1,504 posted on 10/21/2010 3:03:02 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Danae
Beyond that fact, Jamese777 won’t be able to prove ANYTHING about anything sent to me by HDOH, because he CAN’T. He doesn’t have any interest in my documents, and just like Obama, HDOH is not ALLOWED to discuss anything about anyone’s records with out proof of interest in the records. So Jamese777 can’t prove or DISPROVE anything.

Perhaps, but then you could prove that your document is authentic by posting a photograph in which the issue date and raised seal are visible. The fact that you refuse to do so is quite telling.

I posted what I got from HDOH.

Why should anyone believe you? The receipt you posted could easily be for a short form, and there's nothing tying it to what you posted.

Want proof Sherlock? Ok, look at the bottom of the black and white. What do you see? It lists the race of my parents. That is information I have NO WHERE ELSE.

Which is why you photoshopped it in.

You aren't fooling anyone who doesn't want to be fooled.

I have proven what I got.

No you haven't.

1,505 posted on 10/21/2010 3:07:13 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: BuckeyeTexan; David

I am also not an attorney.

The official US government, forensically authenicated
documents .. license, divorce etc., I would think would
be sufficient evidence of a legal marriage, divorce. Of
course, we have also been told, and there are numerous
children and Obama family reports, that BHO Sr was
already married in Africa.

I don’t know how that bigamy weighs on the validity
and legality of any such US marriage.

The birth event is another issue entirely, and credible
US government authentication and stand alone, irrevocably
confirmed official legal proof of who, when and where is
currently highly questionable.

Because there’s been a purposeful cocoon of secrecy and
obstruction built around it, however, doesn’t mean its
pursuit isn’t still extremely vital.

Photos, taped conversations, without official forensic
authentication, and accepted first person witness testimony
under oath in a valid US court of law, etc. .. I don’t see
how those could meet the bar.

If the most flawless and the highest standards of
thoroughly precise and diligent judicial process and
practice aren’t demanded and don’t occur in a vital case
about the legality of the president of the United States
of America, then when would we demand it ?


1,506 posted on 10/21/2010 3:08:19 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Double posts driving me insane.
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No sh*t! It’s getting out of control now. Can’t you correct the issue or at least be courteous enough to ask the mods to delete the extra posts? Thanks


1,507 posted on 10/21/2010 3:14:08 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; Red Steel
Okay, Red. But only if you join the squad.

Red...are you willing to wear a fuzzy fedora while riding a tricycle in the annual Sanity Squad parade?

1,508 posted on 10/21/2010 3:15:44 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: mojitojoe; BuckeyeTexan
That double posting thing is about enough to turn me into a birther...
1,509 posted on 10/21/2010 3:19:05 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: mojitojoe

I was born in 1970. My parents had me when they were 19. They split up when I six months’ old and finally divorced when I was two. It was a very bad divorce and my parents were young and irresponsible. So my paternal grandparents raised me. I saw my mother once when I was five and again when I was nine.

I have no pictures of my parents’ wedding. They did have a small, formal one in a church and she had a formal wedding gown. My mother was not pregnant at the time so there was no embarrassment preventing them from taking pictures. I have no pictures of me with my dad until I was about three years’ old. I have one picture of my mom with me at age nine.

So I don’t think the lack of those early pictures is all that extraordinary when you consider that Senior left them not long after Obama was born and he saw Junior only once.


1,510 posted on 10/21/2010 3:20:48 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

You first. You can tell us that you really are a secret fan of Joseph Farah. we won’t tell any one.


1,511 posted on 10/21/2010 3:22:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mojitojoe
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1,512 posted on 10/21/2010 3:24:17 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: mojitojoe

I’d correct it if I knew how to do so. I’d be asking the mods to delete every other post. I don’t think they’d put up with it.


1,513 posted on 10/21/2010 3:26:42 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: curiosity; Danae
the fact that you would complain about a lack of a raised seal on Obama's scanned COLB

Really? Where did I do that? Hm?

There's a problem here: the document she posted isn't a valid Birth Certificate because it has no raised seal and no signature.

spinspinspinspinspin

It does have something Obama's Colb doesn't have: A RECEIPT.

This is just so much fun!

1,514 posted on 10/21/2010 3:29:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Any chance you’d delete all of my double posts on this thread? People are complaining. I’m not posting twice. The page isn’t timing out either but when it does, I don’t re-post anyway. It only happens from my new Android phone. Never from my laptop.


1,515 posted on 10/21/2010 3:30:32 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Danae
The next step is to have a couple of reporters over from Factcheck and let them photograph the document.
1,516 posted on 10/21/2010 3:33:32 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Red Steel

I don’t understand why she would ask for one that wasn’t certified? I got mine and they didn’t ask me if I wanted one that wasn’t certified. Why would I want one that I couldn’t use to get a passport or anything else? I got it, it has the seal and is certified. Now they did say there is a historical one that you can get that isn’t certified, which is basically a copy of the hospital BC. The woman on the phone was obviously an O voter and clearly did not want to admit I could get the long form. After persisting, she eventually said I could get it, but she wasn’t a happy camper. I think she was well aware of the O long form BC issue.


1,517 posted on 10/21/2010 3:38:53 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: STE=Q
However, would the same apply, in you opinion, to a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?

I don't see a distinction nor a reason for a distinction. The court doesn't make a distinction ... and we know Ark was NOT a natural born citizen nor is Obama, so it's a moot point.

1,518 posted on 10/21/2010 3:39:27 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Red Steel; Danae; LucyT

Danae let Onaka choose

_________________

WHy? It’s hers. she’s paying for it.


1,519 posted on 10/21/2010 3:39:40 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: curiosity

You’re a troll and an O supporter. end of story.


1,520 posted on 10/21/2010 3:40:53 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

LOL, it’s about to turn me into an after birther.


1,521 posted on 10/21/2010 3:43:18 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: mojitojoe

I believe it was for membership in a historical society.


1,522 posted on 10/21/2010 3:43:47 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mojitojoe; Tex-Con-Man

No way. You’re rejected. Not allowed. Never gonna happen. I’ll resign first.

;p


1,523 posted on 10/21/2010 3:50:40 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: curiosity
There's a problem here: the document she posted isn't a valid Birth Certificate because it has no raised seal and no signature.

The clown in the White House will not directly address the Obama COLB that is posted on the Internet. He keeps his distance, and lets his mouth pieces like Roberta Gibbs make statement saying for $15 dollars the cost of a website, you can say anything.

1,524 posted on 10/21/2010 3:51:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: STE=Q; edge919

“This clearly acknowledges that a minor COULD lose his citizenship from an act of the parents, or on his own after coming of age.”

Obama could undoubtedly lose his citizenship by renouncing it after coming of age. He could not lose it prior to that time.

“Miss Elg was born in Brooklyn, New York, on October 2, 1907. Her parents, who were natives of Sweden, emigrated to the United States sometime prior to 1906, and her father was naturalized here in that year. In 1911, her mother took her to Sweden, where she continued to reside until September 7, 1929. Her father went to Sweden in 1922, and has not since returned to the United States. In November, 1934, he made a statement before an American consul in Sweden that he had voluntarily expatriated himself for the reason that he did not desire to retain the status of an American citizen and wished to preserve his allegiance to Sweden.

In 1928, shortly before Miss Elg became twenty-one years of age, she inquired an American consul in Sweden about returning to the United States and was informed that, if she returned after attaining majority, she should seek an American passport. In 1929, within eight months after attaining majority, she obtained an American passport which was issued on the instructions of the Secretary of State. She then returned to the United States, was admitted as a citizen and has resided in this country ever since.”

“6. The Act of March 2, 1907, in providing “That any American citizen shall be deemed to have expatriated himself when he has been naturalized in any foreign state in conformity with its laws, . . . “ was aimed at voluntary expatriation, and was not intended to destroy the right of a native citizen, removed from this country during minority, to elect to retain the citizenship acquired by birth and to return here for that purpose, even though he may be deemed to have been naturalized under the foreign law by derivation from the citizenship of his parents before he came of age. P. 307 U. S. 342. “

http://supreme.justia.com/us/307/325/case.html


1,525 posted on 10/21/2010 3:53:37 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: mojitojoe

He asked me if I needed a certified copy or not. I didn’t know, and so that is precisely what I said. I don’t know. I was led to believe that Onaka was going to be contacting the institution I was requesting this for, to confirm I guess, that they needed a long form. I was expecting a call back. When I didn’t get one, I called them back, and had to leave a message. I got not a call back. Very soon after, I got the black and white copy in the mail.

So it isn’t so much that I let him choose. I was under the impression I was going to get a call back. He took it upon himself to send the black and white copy. I do not know what he based that decision on.


1,526 posted on 10/21/2010 3:59:02 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: El Sordo

(face palm) Like that would do me any good.... I don’t want to get lumped in with Obama. My stuff from Hawaii is legit. It’s mine, and I have posted MORE information regarding my Birth than Obama EVER has. That right there ought to make it clear that I am actually MORE legit than Obama is.

Maybe that is what is chapping their arses so much come to think of it...


1,527 posted on 10/21/2010 4:01:10 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: mojitojoe

Well, will you redact it and post a copy? Does Danae’s look like yours?


1,528 posted on 10/21/2010 4:04:19 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Mine isn’t from Hawaii, so it wouldn’t look the same. I could do it but it would be like comparing apples to oranges. I specifically told them I wanted the long form to use for driver’s license, passports etc. She sure tried to talk me out of it but I persisted. She was an Afro-American and I by her attitude I think that she is aware of the BC issue and was trying to avoid telling me I could have it. It was like pulling teeth to get her to admit it was available.
I had to fax photo ID, I called her back, she said it was ok and came through, was light enough etc.

I didn’t get it after a month or so, and I called them back. They said the photo ID wasn’t light enough and she had rejected it. I told them I wanted someone else to process it. I received it with a few days.


1,529 posted on 10/21/2010 4:10:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: Danae

I would call them back and tell them I didn’t pay 10.00 for something I couldn’t even use and that I wanted a certified one.


1,530 posted on 10/21/2010 4:11:46 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: DJ MacWoW; curiosity

In fact, I have posted more information on my birth than Obama EVER has. This makes me MORE legit than Obama. That is whats chapping their arses.

Hawaii is covering up for Obama. Why? Because he got what documents he has from Hawaii by means of a fraud that the STATE was part of creating. Namely that of registering every baby to cross the threshold of the HDOH to get a COLB. Which ALSO got those babies US Citizenship, even though they have ZERO right to it. They did this because it got them MORE federal aid and what not. It would get babies registered for welfare, food stamps, vaccinations and every other state program needing numbers to guarantee more federal dollars.

Hawaii committed a HUGE fraud, and Obama just happens to be in the middle of it. Hawaii isn’t covering Obama’s butt per say.. they are covering the STATE’s butt.

Because if it comes to light that Obama does not HAVE a long form as has been reported, then Hawaii can’t prove he was born in the islands. Whats more, people will REALLY start asking ... ok, why did Hawaii set things up to happen this way? Oh... yea, register all the immigrant children for benefits and get more federal dollars... right. Hawaii doesn’t want people looking into THAT and Obama KNOWS it. Most people who lived in Hawaii in the 60’s and 70’s KNOW how corrupt the government and authorities are there.

For DAMN sure the current authorities know it, and THAT is why they don’t want to be giving out long forms. Pretty soon, people would be asking, wait, how many COLB’s does Hawaii have... and How many long forms does it have? How many COLB’s were obtained by virture of late filings and home births?

THOSE are questions Hawaii is rather desperate NOT to answer. Obama is well aware of it, and is simply using that leverage.

Still, all that being said, I have posted MORE information about my birth than Obama ever has. I have posted up documents I have received from the State from within the last 6 weeks. Long Forms ARE obtainable. As far as I know, I can easily go back and demand a certified copy and expect to get it. I think Onaka sent ne a black and white in the hopes that it would be good enough and he could say that he didn’t send out a certified copy. Thats what I think. That being said, I have a right BY LAW to obtain any document of mine. Onaka is not in the position where he can refuse it, he can’t even ask me why I want it and use that as a basis for his decision.

Hawaii and Onaka are NOT able to change the laws of the state, and in particular they are NOT able to change them on a whim.

I do have the receipt, and the envelope it all came in. I didn’t do the impossible. I did what I am allowed under Hawaiian law to do.


1,531 posted on 10/21/2010 4:13:26 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: mojitojoe

Oh, I thought it was from Hawaii.


1,532 posted on 10/21/2010 4:14:08 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: mojitojoe

Its VERY tempting. I have to say though, dealing with HDOH is a HASSLE. Its a pain in the arse.

I may just do that. Seeing as they never honored my first request or returned the fee I paid.... I will think about it. A big part of me is ready to throw my hands up in frustration and just quit all this. I am sick of being called a liar. I am really getting sick of that.

All because I tried to help, did so in good faith... and told the truth about all of it.

There is a lesson in that.


1,533 posted on 10/21/2010 4:16:16 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Don’t worry, it was a joke. :P


1,534 posted on 10/21/2010 4:20:25 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: Danae
In fact, I have posted more information on my birth than Obama EVER has. This makes me MORE legit than Obama. That is whats chapping their arses.

I agree.

And I'd demand a certified copy too.

1,535 posted on 10/21/2010 4:24:10 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Danae; mojitojoe
There is a lesson in that.

No good deed goes unpunished?

Or in politics the truth is always a lie?

1,536 posted on 10/21/2010 4:25:36 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I am simply amazed at the legs on this thread. It is the Energizer Bunny. Sadly, therefore, I can't go back and read everything for context.

The question at hand seems to be what would constitute legal evidence in a court proceeding of paternity. And that seems to go back to one of the key misconceptions about this whole issue. The “birther” side (term used solely for characterization, not as a pejorative) has consistently advanced the thought that mere suspicion of Obama’s birth, absent any evidence or an actual case, mandates a court determination. That is, of course, not true.

Courts don't care what ungrounded suspicions some person has about another person, nor should they. Neither will a court accept for consideration the question of anyone’s birth/paternity/etc. unless it is relevant to an actual legal case that has passed the procedural hurdles necessary to make the docket. So asking what constitutes acceptable proof of paternity in a court case absent a specific case is a bit of a non-sequitur.

In general, however, if a valid case has been accepted by a Court that requires documentation of paternity, a certified birth certificate would be the standard. It can certainly get more complicated than that if two different men who were both intimate with the mother are claiming to be the father, but that's not the case here. If Obama were in an actual court case that needed to document his paternity, a certified COLB from Hawaii would be adequate to do so. And if some unrelated people in the Court started saying they didn't believe it, they would be admonished to be quiet. If they did not do so, they would be physically removed. Their uninformed speculations would be irrelevant to any determination.

1,537 posted on 10/21/2010 4:29:12 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
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1,538 posted on 10/21/2010 4:38:52 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Danae; DJ MacWoW; curiosity; DrConspiracy
I have a right BY LAW to obtain any document of mine. Onaka is not in the position where he can refuse it, he can’t even ask me why I want it and use that as a basis for his decision.

There it is - the bottom line. The delusional clowns at those Obot websites cannot face this reality. It is a totally unambitious Hawaiian law.

Sure, Hawaii can stall, BS, jump up and down, and act like clowns. But they know they have to comply or possibly face an open a shut case court case in Hawaii that would make them follow the Hawaiian statute §338-13. Hawaii has no choice in the end.

Danae if it was needed, I'm certain a short letter with a short deadline from legal counsel would get Hawaii to issue you upon request a certified copy of your birth certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

1,539 posted on 10/21/2010 4:50:30 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

unambitious = unambiguous


1,540 posted on 10/21/2010 4:52:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Danae
You know the truth .. you know what you did and what you paid for and received. Period.

Don't let the 0-lover, ACORN, SEIU turkeys getcha down .. ;)

I wouldn't do any more 'splainin' .. you given all there is to give .. and above and beyond the call of duty or personal generosity, I might add.

Anyone who continues to doubt you after what you showed or still questions it is muckraking and agitating, pure and simple.

Remember, there are folks here who are PAID to do that, in and outside of this country.

Jobs at Media Matters

How to Support President Obama's Agenda

AND

WATCH THIS

So, we really don't know the true status/motives of posters .. other than those we've come to know and judge personally over time.

1,541 posted on 10/21/2010 4:56:24 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Mr Rogers; edge919
Obama could undoubtedly lose his citizenship by renouncing it after coming of age. He could not lose it prior to that time.

That is my understanding.

HOWEVER: There are other ways (certain actions) to lose citizenship other than "renouncing" -- correct?

I don't have a list of all the perticulars... but I think becoming a citizen of a foreign country and taking up arms against the United States, or plotting against same, would probably forfeit citizenship.

So it IS possible there ARE things Obama could have done -- other than "renouncing" -- to put his citizenship in jeopardy, yes?

STE=Q

1,542 posted on 10/21/2010 4:58:53 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: mojitojoe

No, it wasn’t a joke. I see an extremely happy little boy before he became a hate-filled man.


1,543 posted on 10/21/2010 4:59:02 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: jamese777

You pay up yet?


1,544 posted on 10/21/2010 5:03:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: curiosity
I posted what I got from HDOH.

That is about 1000% more than YOU have done. All you are doing is speculating. And you are starting from a fabricated ASSUMPTION. That assumption is: You believe that I am posting up forgeries.

PROVE IT.

You can't. Know why?

BECAUSE THEY ARE LEGIT.

But then maybe you have the formula for changing lead into gold. That would perhaps explain how YOU can turn legitimate documents into forgeries with out ever having set your eyes on the things.

"Perhaps, but then you could prove that your document is authentic by posting a photograph in which the issue date and raised seal are visible. The fact that you refuse to do so is quite telling."

Man you are either STUPID, or deliberately acting like a moron.

There IS NO raised seal on a photocopy of a Long Form Certificate. Why?? Because its NOT CERTIFIED you fool. I never said it was. In fact I have stated a couple times that it is not certified, and I have never even implied that it was. So want to explain how to get a seal on a document which is not supposed to HAVE a seal? Genius... come on.

I posted what I got from HDOH. You have posted NOTHING. You haven't even made a cogent argument.

The scans are redacted you don't need my personal information or my parents personal information. They are not photo shopped.

You can kiss my ass.

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And, now, ALL of the documents I have all together in one place:

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Note the next two documents, the Black and White has MORE information on it than does the copy I received from my mom in 2000. That isn't a photo copy of a photocopy. It is a color photocopy that was in my mothers possession and then given to me when I had my wallet stolen in Arizona in 2000 on the way to San Diego.

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If this black and white is just something I photocopied from something I already had, tell me where did I get the additional information from? While you are at it, where are the water marks that are clearly there in the color copy, which isn't a part of the original, its a mark on the paper you see in the picture. Where is the staple? It is PHYSICALLY present on my copy! WHERE ARE THE FOLD MARKS?

It is OBVIOUS. The black and white photo copy was NOT made from mine. It was sent to me by HDOH after THEY photocopied my Long Form which is in their possession.

These photos were taken by me just now with my iPhone.

Face it. You have lost this round.
1,545 posted on 10/21/2010 5:03:34 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: Danae; curiosity

Oh, you just slammed them and the UnCurious. ;-)


1,546 posted on 10/21/2010 5:07:39 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Danae
Can you provide any college transcripts? Kindergarten records? Social Security numbers? Pictures of you with old boyfriends? Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party? CIA?

Inspector Smith is currently trying to sell a copy of your real Iowa birth certificate on ebay. I am currently the high bidder at $2.39, but there's 6 days left.

1,547 posted on 10/21/2010 5:09:07 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: STE=Q; edge919

I’m not a lawyer. Here is what the State Department says:

“Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE

As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.

DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS APPLICABLE

In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:

1. is naturalized in a foreign country;
2. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
3. serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
4. accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,

and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.

When, as the result of an individual’s inquiry or an individual’s application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person’s intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html


1,548 posted on 10/21/2010 5:10:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: STARWISE

Thank you Star!

I am an honorable person. It is a personal quality I value above ALL others from and in other people, and in myself. It irks me to be called a liar, because I tell the truth deliberately. When I am wrong, I admit it and accept personal responsibility for it. That right there is more than these morons are capable of.

For what ever its worth, check out post 1545. I took iPhone pics of everything I have. Envelope and all, COLB, Long forms you got it. Receipts bla bla bla.

I don’t know that it will change any of those minds so bent on protecting OholyO. But you all will know that I am being completely up-front, and that DOES matter to me a great deal.


1,549 posted on 10/21/2010 5:10:20 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Uh.. yea, I can.. but I am not gonna. And its only 6.28?

You are kidding right?

LOL


1,550 posted on 10/21/2010 5:11:22 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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