Skip to comments.LTC Lakin's Appeal Denied
Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
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“Upon the facts agreed in this case, the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth. No doubt he might himself, after coming of age, renounce this citizenship ...”
Natural Born is intrinsic to birth... and it would seem reasonable that not even a parent could renounce such a state for another — even his own child.
I’m convinced that Senior is Junior’s biological father. So it doesn’t matter to me where he was born.
I’m not convinced but I wouldn’t say he wasn’t either. I don’t know. I think there is a possibility that Gramps is really Dad.
There are so many things that are strange.
Why are there no photos of Mom and baby when he was a newborn. NONE! None with the grandparents either. Why are there no photos of him with Senior until he was 10 years old?
Why did Mom send Barry back to Hawaii at the exact same time that FMD got a divorce and his wife left him?
Why did Gramps take Barry with him to spend so much time with a pervert Communist that was being watched by the FBI?
Why did Gramps hang out in black bars? Who was the black bar maid that Barry speaks of in his book?
Why was Mom in WA enrolled in college when Barry was an newborn? A new baby, newlyweds, yet no photos, Senior was MIA.
Why does no one in Hawaii ever recall seeing Anne with Senior?
In Dreams....The part about finding his birth certificate in a book... so important he mentioned it but he lost it? I think that was deliberately put there to validate he had one.
The break in of his passport files.
The death of the gay boys that were his pals at Trinity.
Why no pictures of Barry with any girls? NONE not a single one. No dances, no proms, no dinner dates, NONE! Only photos of him with girly boys. Plenty of those.
Why won’t he release his college records? Health records?
WAY too much hidden about this creep. His entire past is shrouded in mystery and inconsistencies. Therefore I trust none of it.
There isn’t a doubt in my mind he was gay and is now bi-sexual but still prefers men. If your gaydar doesn’t go off when you see that limp wristed sissy boy, then you aren’t watching.
I could go on and on and on. Oddly enough, when I read Dreams it made me even more suspicious than I was before. His own words( or those of Bill Ayers) created even more suspicions.
Note the trips to Kenya by Junior. Why go (well before he declared his candidacy for POTUS) if he didn’t truly believe Senior was his father?
I think he did or does think Senior was his father. It
doesn’t mean he was and you know that.
LOL. I'll tell you what's pathetic: the fact that you would complain about a lack of a raised seal on Obama's scanned COLB (even though it was actually there), but then don't mind that Danae's doesn't have one.
Danae getting her long form so shoots your theories and explanations.
There's a problem here: the document she posted isn't a valid Birth Certificate because it has no raised seal and no signature.
Perhaps, but then you could prove that your document is authentic by posting a photograph in which the issue date and raised seal are visible. The fact that you refuse to do so is quite telling.
I posted what I got from HDOH.
Why should anyone believe you? The receipt you posted could easily be for a short form, and there's nothing tying it to what you posted.
Want proof Sherlock? Ok, look at the bottom of the black and white. What do you see? It lists the race of my parents. That is information I have NO WHERE ELSE.
Which is why you photoshopped it in.
You aren't fooling anyone who doesn't want to be fooled.
I have proven what I got.
No you haven't.
I am also not an attorney.
The official US government, forensically authenicated
documents .. license, divorce etc., I would think would
be sufficient evidence of a legal marriage, divorce. Of
course, we have also been told, and there are numerous
children and Obama family reports, that BHO Sr was
already married in Africa.
I don’t know how that bigamy weighs on the validity
and legality of any such US marriage.
The birth event is another issue entirely, and credible
US government authentication and stand alone, irrevocably
confirmed official legal proof of who, when and where is
currently highly questionable.
Because there’s been a purposeful cocoon of secrecy and
obstruction built around it, however, doesn’t mean its
pursuit isn’t still extremely vital.
Photos, taped conversations, without official forensic
authentication, and accepted first person witness testimony
under oath in a valid US court of law, etc. .. I don’t see
how those could meet the bar.
If the most flawless and the highest standards of
thoroughly precise and diligent judicial process and
practice aren’t demanded and don’t occur in a vital case
about the legality of the president of the United States
of America, then when would we demand it ?
Double posts driving me insane.
No sh*t! It’s getting out of control now. Can’t you correct the issue or at least be courteous enough to ask the mods to delete the extra posts? Thanks
Red...are you willing to wear a fuzzy fedora while riding a tricycle in the annual Sanity Squad parade?
I was born in 1970. My parents had me when they were 19. They split up when I six months’ old and finally divorced when I was two. It was a very bad divorce and my parents were young and irresponsible. So my paternal grandparents raised me. I saw my mother once when I was five and again when I was nine.
I have no pictures of my parents’ wedding. They did have a small, formal one in a church and she had a formal wedding gown. My mother was not pregnant at the time so there was no embarrassment preventing them from taking pictures. I have no pictures of me with my dad until I was about three years’ old. I have one picture of my mom with me at age nine.
So I don’t think the lack of those early pictures is all that extraordinary when you consider that Senior left them not long after Obama was born and he saw Junior only once.
You first. You can tell us that you really are a secret fan of Joseph Farah. we won’t tell any one.
I’d correct it if I knew how to do so. I’d be asking the mods to delete every other post. I don’t think they’d put up with it.
Really? Where did I do that? Hm?
There's a problem here: the document she posted isn't a valid Birth Certificate because it has no raised seal and no signature.
It does have something Obama's Colb doesn't have: A RECEIPT.
This is just so much fun!
Any chance you’d delete all of my double posts on this thread? People are complaining. I’m not posting twice. The page isn’t timing out either but when it does, I don’t re-post anyway. It only happens from my new Android phone. Never from my laptop.
I don’t understand why she would ask for one that wasn’t certified? I got mine and they didn’t ask me if I wanted one that wasn’t certified. Why would I want one that I couldn’t use to get a passport or anything else? I got it, it has the seal and is certified. Now they did say there is a historical one that you can get that isn’t certified, which is basically a copy of the hospital BC. The woman on the phone was obviously an O voter and clearly did not want to admit I could get the long form. After persisting, she eventually said I could get it, but she wasn’t a happy camper. I think she was well aware of the O long form BC issue.
I don't see a distinction nor a reason for a distinction. The court doesn't make a distinction ... and we know Ark was NOT a natural born citizen nor is Obama, so it's a moot point.
Danae let Onaka choose
WHy? It’s hers. she’s paying for it.
You’re a troll and an O supporter. end of story.
LOL, it’s about to turn me into an after birther.
I believe it was for membership in a historical society.
No way. You’re rejected. Not allowed. Never gonna happen. I’ll resign first.
The clown in the White House will not directly address the Obama COLB that is posted on the Internet. He keeps his distance, and lets his mouth pieces like Roberta Gibbs make statement saying for $15 dollars the cost of a website, you can say anything.
“This clearly acknowledges that a minor COULD lose his citizenship from an act of the parents, or on his own after coming of age.”
Obama could undoubtedly lose his citizenship by renouncing it after coming of age. He could not lose it prior to that time.
“Miss Elg was born in Brooklyn, New York, on October 2, 1907. Her parents, who were natives of Sweden, emigrated to the United States sometime prior to 1906, and her father was naturalized here in that year. In 1911, her mother took her to Sweden, where she continued to reside until September 7, 1929. Her father went to Sweden in 1922, and has not since returned to the United States. In November, 1934, he made a statement before an American consul in Sweden that he had voluntarily expatriated himself for the reason that he did not desire to retain the status of an American citizen and wished to preserve his allegiance to Sweden.
In 1928, shortly before Miss Elg became twenty-one years of age, she inquired an American consul in Sweden about returning to the United States and was informed that, if she returned after attaining majority, she should seek an American passport. In 1929, within eight months after attaining majority, she obtained an American passport which was issued on the instructions of the Secretary of State. She then returned to the United States, was admitted as a citizen and has resided in this country ever since.”
“6. The Act of March 2, 1907, in providing “That any American citizen shall be deemed to have expatriated himself when he has been naturalized in any foreign state in conformity with its laws, . . . “ was aimed at voluntary expatriation, and was not intended to destroy the right of a native citizen, removed from this country during minority, to elect to retain the citizenship acquired by birth and to return here for that purpose, even though he may be deemed to have been naturalized under the foreign law by derivation from the citizenship of his parents before he came of age. P. 307 U. S. 342. “
He asked me if I needed a certified copy or not. I didn’t know, and so that is precisely what I said. I don’t know. I was led to believe that Onaka was going to be contacting the institution I was requesting this for, to confirm I guess, that they needed a long form. I was expecting a call back. When I didn’t get one, I called them back, and had to leave a message. I got not a call back. Very soon after, I got the black and white copy in the mail.
So it isn’t so much that I let him choose. I was under the impression I was going to get a call back. He took it upon himself to send the black and white copy. I do not know what he based that decision on.
(face palm) Like that would do me any good.... I don’t want to get lumped in with Obama. My stuff from Hawaii is legit. It’s mine, and I have posted MORE information regarding my Birth than Obama EVER has. That right there ought to make it clear that I am actually MORE legit than Obama is.
Maybe that is what is chapping their arses so much come to think of it...
Well, will you redact it and post a copy? Does Danae’s look like yours?
Mine isn’t from Hawaii, so it wouldn’t look the same. I could do it but it would be like comparing apples to oranges. I specifically told them I wanted the long form to use for driver’s license, passports etc. She sure tried to talk me out of it but I persisted. She was an Afro-American and I by her attitude I think that she is aware of the BC issue and was trying to avoid telling me I could have it. It was like pulling teeth to get her to admit it was available.
I had to fax photo ID, I called her back, she said it was ok and came through, was light enough etc.
I didn’t get it after a month or so, and I called them back. They said the photo ID wasn’t light enough and she had rejected it. I told them I wanted someone else to process it. I received it with a few days.
I would call them back and tell them I didn’t pay 10.00 for something I couldn’t even use and that I wanted a certified one.
In fact, I have posted more information on my birth than Obama EVER has. This makes me MORE legit than Obama. That is whats chapping their arses.
Hawaii is covering up for Obama. Why? Because he got what documents he has from Hawaii by means of a fraud that the STATE was part of creating. Namely that of registering every baby to cross the threshold of the HDOH to get a COLB. Which ALSO got those babies US Citizenship, even though they have ZERO right to it. They did this because it got them MORE federal aid and what not. It would get babies registered for welfare, food stamps, vaccinations and every other state program needing numbers to guarantee more federal dollars.
Hawaii committed a HUGE fraud, and Obama just happens to be in the middle of it. Hawaii isn’t covering Obama’s butt per say.. they are covering the STATE’s butt.
Because if it comes to light that Obama does not HAVE a long form as has been reported, then Hawaii can’t prove he was born in the islands. Whats more, people will REALLY start asking ... ok, why did Hawaii set things up to happen this way? Oh... yea, register all the immigrant children for benefits and get more federal dollars... right. Hawaii doesn’t want people looking into THAT and Obama KNOWS it. Most people who lived in Hawaii in the 60’s and 70’s KNOW how corrupt the government and authorities are there.
For DAMN sure the current authorities know it, and THAT is why they don’t want to be giving out long forms. Pretty soon, people would be asking, wait, how many COLB’s does Hawaii have... and How many long forms does it have? How many COLB’s were obtained by virture of late filings and home births?
THOSE are questions Hawaii is rather desperate NOT to answer. Obama is well aware of it, and is simply using that leverage.
Still, all that being said, I have posted MORE information about my birth than Obama ever has. I have posted up documents I have received from the State from within the last 6 weeks. Long Forms ARE obtainable. As far as I know, I can easily go back and demand a certified copy and expect to get it. I think Onaka sent ne a black and white in the hopes that it would be good enough and he could say that he didn’t send out a certified copy. Thats what I think. That being said, I have a right BY LAW to obtain any document of mine. Onaka is not in the position where he can refuse it, he can’t even ask me why I want it and use that as a basis for his decision.
Hawaii and Onaka are NOT able to change the laws of the state, and in particular they are NOT able to change them on a whim.
I do have the receipt, and the envelope it all came in. I didn’t do the impossible. I did what I am allowed under Hawaiian law to do.
Oh, I thought it was from Hawaii.
Its VERY tempting. I have to say though, dealing with HDOH is a HASSLE. Its a pain in the arse.
I may just do that. Seeing as they never honored my first request or returned the fee I paid.... I will think about it. A big part of me is ready to throw my hands up in frustration and just quit all this. I am sick of being called a liar. I am really getting sick of that.
All because I tried to help, did so in good faith... and told the truth about all of it.
There is a lesson in that.
Don’t worry, it was a joke. :P
And I'd demand a certified copy too.
No good deed goes unpunished?
Or in politics the truth is always a lie?
The question at hand seems to be what would constitute legal evidence in a court proceeding of paternity. And that seems to go back to one of the key misconceptions about this whole issue. The “birther” side (term used solely for characterization, not as a pejorative) has consistently advanced the thought that mere suspicion of Obama’s birth, absent any evidence or an actual case, mandates a court determination. That is, of course, not true.
Courts don't care what ungrounded suspicions some person has about another person, nor should they. Neither will a court accept for consideration the question of anyone’s birth/paternity/etc. unless it is relevant to an actual legal case that has passed the procedural hurdles necessary to make the docket. So asking what constitutes acceptable proof of paternity in a court case absent a specific case is a bit of a non-sequitur.
In general, however, if a valid case has been accepted by a Court that requires documentation of paternity, a certified birth certificate would be the standard. It can certainly get more complicated than that if two different men who were both intimate with the mother are claiming to be the father, but that's not the case here. If Obama were in an actual court case that needed to document his paternity, a certified COLB from Hawaii would be adequate to do so. And if some unrelated people in the Court started saying they didn't believe it, they would be admonished to be quiet. If they did not do so, they would be physically removed. Their uninformed speculations would be irrelevant to any determination.
There it is - the bottom line. The delusional clowns at those Obot websites cannot face this reality. It is a totally unambitious Hawaiian law.
Sure, Hawaii can stall, BS, jump up and down, and act like clowns. But they know they have to comply or possibly face an open a shut case court case in Hawaii that would make them follow the Hawaiian statute §338-13. Hawaii has no choice in the end.
Danae if it was needed, I'm certain a short letter with a short deadline from legal counsel would get Hawaii to issue you upon request a certified copy of your birth certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
unambitious = unambiguous
Don't let the 0-lover, ACORN, SEIU turkeys getcha down .. ;)
I wouldn't do any more 'splainin' .. you given all there is to give .. and above and beyond the call of duty or personal generosity, I might add.
Anyone who continues to doubt you after what you showed or still questions it is muckraking and agitating, pure and simple.
Remember, there are folks here who are PAID to do that, in and outside of this country.
Jobs at Media Matters
So, we really don't know the true status/motives of posters .. other than those we've come to know and judge personally over time.
That is my understanding.
HOWEVER: There are other ways (certain actions) to lose citizenship other than "renouncing" -- correct?
I don't have a list of all the perticulars... but I think becoming a citizen of a foreign country and taking up arms against the United States, or plotting against same, would probably forfeit citizenship.
So it IS possible there ARE things Obama could have done -- other than "renouncing" -- to put his citizenship in jeopardy, yes?
No, it wasn’t a joke. I see an extremely happy little boy before he became a hate-filled man.
You pay up yet?
Oh, you just slammed them and the UnCurious. ;-)
Inspector Smith is currently trying to sell a copy of your real Iowa birth certificate on ebay. I am currently the high bidder at $2.39, but there's 6 days left.
I’m not a lawyer. Here is what the State Department says:
“Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:
1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE
As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.
DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS APPLICABLE
In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:
1. is naturalized in a foreign country;
2. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
3. serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
4. accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,
and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.
When, as the result of an individual’s inquiry or an individual’s application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person’s intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.
Thank you Star!
I am an honorable person. It is a personal quality I value above ALL others from and in other people, and in myself. It irks me to be called a liar, because I tell the truth deliberately. When I am wrong, I admit it and accept personal responsibility for it. That right there is more than these morons are capable of.
For what ever its worth, check out post 1545. I took iPhone pics of everything I have. Envelope and all, COLB, Long forms you got it. Receipts bla bla bla.
I don’t know that it will change any of those minds so bent on protecting OholyO. But you all will know that I am being completely up-front, and that DOES matter to me a great deal.
Uh.. yea, I can.. but I am not gonna. And its only 6.28?
You are kidding right?