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Nanny Bloomberg's Outdoor Smoking Ban
American Thinker ^ | October 16, 2010 | Peter Wilson

Posted on 10/16/2010 1:03:20 AM PDT by neverdem

Last month, New York Mayor Bloomberg proposed a ban on outdoor smoking in and on 1,700 parks, plazas, and beaches. The City Council in Cambridge, Massachusetts recently followed New York's lead (Chronicle 10/4/10), joining a number of college campuses and California cities. This radical intrusion into private lives is rationalized as a public health measure to protect citizens from secondhand smoke. It's therefore worth reviewing the debate from the past decade when it became the accepted view that secondhand smoke is a public health risk.

Anti-smoking activists state with assurance that "the science is settled"; secondhand smoke murders 3,000 or 10,281 or some number of children, waitresses, and other blameless people every year.

Christopher Booker, a journalist at the London Sunday Telegraph, and Richard North investigated the "settled science" claims in their 2007 book, Scared to Death. They write, 

The triumph of the campaign against passive smoking had provided one of the most dramatic examples in history of how science can be bent and distorted for ideological reasons, to come up with findings that the evidence did not support, which were in many ways the reverse of the truth.

Booker and North cite a major 1998 study by the World Health Organization, which found, inconveniently for anti-smoking lobbyists,

no evidence that there was any 'statistically significant' additional risk from passive exposure to smoke ... There was even evidence that, for the children brought up in a smoky atmosphere, this actually seemed to give them some modest degree of protection from the risks of cancer" [!].

The study reported a 16% increase in relative risk of cancer to the spouses of smokers, but with a confidence interval (CI) of 0.93 to 1.44. A CI spanning 1.0 (no risk) means that the risk might be higher, or then again, it might be lower; thus, the finding is statistically insignificant. A small increase in cancer rates can have multiple causes. A person who tolerates a spouse smoking inside the house, for example, might be less vigilant about diet and exercise, resulting in health risks unrelated to passive smoking.

A second study commissioned by the American Cancer Society, conducted over four decades by Professors Enstrom and Kabat and with 118,094 subjects -- "the longest and most comprehensive scientific study ever carried out into the effects of passive smoking" -- concluded bluntly in its peer-reviewed article in the British Medical Journal that there was "no causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco-related mortality."

In a pattern familiar to the global warming debate, dissent from the politically motivated "consensus" was attacked. Both WHO and the ACS attempted to block publication of their own studies, and anti-smoking campaigners accused the authors of being shills for the tobacco industry.

Organizations like the National Cancer Institute disagree with the studies' findings, stating, for example, that "there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke." I would like to respect an august government body like the NCI, but such claims are unsubstantiated and patently ridiculous. "No safe level"? As in one breath taken a hundred yards downwind of a smoker?

Booker and North report that in 1998, Covance Laboratories equipped a thousand subjects in twenty European cities with monitors to measure the amounts of environmental tobacco smoke inhaled. The average was the equivalent of smoking 0.02 cigarettes a day. A Welch study found that spending twenty hours a week exposed to tobacco smoke in a pub was the equivalent of smoking 0.05 cigarettes a day. If the human body is so fragile that five-hundredths of a cigarette will cause irreparable harm and early death, we ought to have gone extinct long ago.

Despite dubious scientific evidence of harm, emotional campaigns of waitresses toiling in toxic work environments won the day. Over the past fifteen years, anti-smoking zealots have been inordinately successful in banning indoor smoking around the globe. The libertarians among us question why we can't have smoking bars and non-smoking bars, and why it's any of the government's business. Indoor smoking bans, however, are likely here to stay. Smokers are in a minority, and it's not an issue that non-smokers oppose with passion. I, for one, am happy I don't have to add the price of dry cleaning to my restaurant bill.

If exposure to tobacco toxins in a smoky bar is minimal, the amount you are exposed to outdoors with no roof or walls to concentrate rising smoke is infinitesimal. 

New York City Health Commissioner Thomas Farley defended his actions:

[S]tudies show that if you are within 3 feet of someone smoking outdoors, your exposure to secondhand smoke can be the same as when you are indoors. And though places like Times Square are choked with exhaust-spewing traffic, cigarettes are still worse.

The first claim was derived from a Stanford University study that showed that if you are downwind and 0.5 meters (19.6 inches -- not three feet) from a smoker, outdoor exposure is comparable to that of indoor smoke.  f you are upwind, or at a distance of two meters or greater, exposure drops to zero. Once a smoker finishes the cigarette, outdoor smoke dissipates, and exposure is also zero.

The second claim appears to come from an Italian study published in Tobacco Control magazine which reports that particulate emissions from cigarettes are ten times that of an eco-diesel car.

WebMD describes the study's methodology: "the scientists lit three cigarettes -- one after another -- and let them smolder for a total of 30 minutes."

It might be presumptuous to question scientists, but wouldn't it have duplicated real-world conditions more accurately to have someone smoke three cigarettes? Have these experts never been in a bar where someone left a partially extinguished cigarette smoldering in an ashtray? A hot fire burns clean, incinerating particulates, while a smoldering one fills the room with smoke. Furthermore, secondhand smoke has passed through a highly efficient filtration system -- the human lungs. Another problem: the study was conducted inside a garage, yet Health Commissioner Farley uses it to justify an outdoor ban. Finally, the study measured only particulates, ignoring carbon monoxide and other poisons in auto exhaust. If cigarette smoke is "worse" than car exhaust, ask yourself if you'd prefer a car idling inside your house for half an hour or three smoked cigarettes.

But let's let their conclusion stand. Three cigarettes equals ten cars. Imagine that you are standing in Times Square with three cigarette smokers twenty inches away from you, blowing smoke in your face. Unless it's 2 AM, during the time it takes to smoke a cigarette, far more than ten cars would pass by you, generating many times the particulates. The only logical conclusion is to ban cars from New York City. Then again, someone in the mayor's office is probably already working on that idea.

An outdoor smoking ban is motivated less by public health concerns than by a sanctimonious intolerance of other people's bad habits and a refusal to accommodate the slightest offense to the nostrils in the public square. The big-government liberal constantly seeks ways to extend the coercive power of government into the lives of individuals. To see our future under the soft tyranny of the nanny state, look to France, where 175,000 cigarette police are on the public payroll.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bloomberg; enoughalready; fascistbloomberg; health; healthnazi; nannystate; nicotinenazis; nyc; smokenazis; smoking
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1 posted on 10/16/2010 1:03:24 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

fer later


2 posted on 10/16/2010 1:06:00 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Live Free or Die)
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To: neverdem

Mayor Bloomberg: The one, single living person admired the most, by Massachusetts Governor, Deval Patrick, during his latest debate.


3 posted on 10/16/2010 1:09:21 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: neverdem

I’d like to put a large cigar out in his eye.


4 posted on 10/16/2010 1:17:02 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
I’d like to put a large cigar out in his eye.

I was visiting NYC last December. We were around City Hall one day and I lit up a ciggie in hopes that Bloomberg would walk out or in so I could blow smoke in his face. ;-)

No luck, though.

5 posted on 10/16/2010 1:19:37 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Allegra

LOL Good for you! America is sorely in need of more such rebels. :-)


6 posted on 10/16/2010 1:32:47 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: neverdem

bump-A## cUOMO are worthless like the irs


7 posted on 10/16/2010 1:34:40 AM PDT by shadowcat
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To: neverdem
I don't understand the problem with second hand smoke. I live out in the country. Someone walks by smoking a cig and I smell it. No problem. A diesel truck drives by and I'm gagging, feeling nauseous. Aren't fireplaces, wood burning stoves just as bad? What about oil burning furnaces? Those are okay?

Why are people so sensitive to cig smoke when there are much worse scents around? Are they used to them and can't distinguish them? Asphalt on a hot day is awful.

Maybe some scientists should lock themselves in a garage with 3 diesel trucks running for 30 minutes. Compare the results to second hand smoke.

8 posted on 10/16/2010 1:43:42 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I get headaches and nausea when I am in proximity to heavy perfumes.

I keep looking for the “Fragrance Free” zones in restaraunts and public buildings, to no avail.


9 posted on 10/16/2010 2:16:21 AM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: neverdem
secondhand smoke murders...

From the same creed that promote legal abortion, what a bunch.

10 posted on 10/16/2010 2:22:37 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

if they can getthe entire country to quit smoking, something mankind has done since learning about it
... replacing Christianity with islam will be a nobrainer

a more odd thing is, muslims smoke just as much


11 posted on 10/16/2010 2:43:08 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: EGPWS

and I’d reckon, this same group would be the first to want to encourage you to smoke pot.

the granola hippies I know who barked here in our city council, are the same ones who work our local “farmers and artists market” and the smell of pot is prevalent (well, so is the smell of birkenstocks, veggie stir-fry, and body odor).

these are also the same folks who claim that if we legalize pot, well, then it will solve all of our tax problems!!!! because then farmers can grow pot and we can make tons of tax revenue! But, they are the same folks who hate companies that grow tobacco.

I swear, its a form of insanity.


12 posted on 10/16/2010 2:45:34 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: neverdem
Since it is prohibited to smoke in government facilities, and in NYC smoking outside is prohibited . .

Does that mean that 0 will stay out of NYC?

13 posted on 10/16/2010 3:32:29 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: TigersEye

Ditto!


14 posted on 10/16/2010 3:41:12 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (hH)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Some one broke a perfume bottle in the entrance of our condo in Florida; it still stinks 5 years later.


15 posted on 10/16/2010 3:43:20 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (hH)
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To: Quiller

Well, some of the insiders say that buthead is smoking in the White House; go figure.


16 posted on 10/16/2010 3:44:48 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (hH)
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To: neverdem

bump for later view


17 posted on 10/16/2010 4:45:31 AM PDT by octex
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To: neverdem

I walk the streets of Manhattan daily. I wish he’d outlaw smoking on the sidewalk. I’ve lost count of how many times some trash smoker’s cigarette has burned me or how many times I have to inhale someone’s smoke.


18 posted on 10/16/2010 4:50:50 AM PDT by GeorgiaGuy
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Why are people so sensitive to cig smoke when there are much worse scents around?

INDOCTRINATION!

19 posted on 10/16/2010 4:55:34 AM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Just A Nobody

The herd loves a target to hate. The Left provides the targets from season to season. White men, families, God, Jesus, fat people, smokers, heterosexuals, America, “dead white male” freedom, etc.


20 posted on 10/16/2010 4:59:22 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: neverdem
As a person who is very allergic to tobacco smoke I agree with this 100%. If smokers want to smoke in their own homes I see no reason they should not be allowed to do so. Likewise, if they wish to go to specially licensed bars or restaurants that allow smoking I also see no problem but please keep the smoke out of my face.
21 posted on 10/16/2010 5:18:10 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: neverdem
secondhand smoke is a public health risk

Secondhand driving is much more of a public health risk in NYC than secondhand smoke. Pedestrians and passengers die regularly and immediately from secondhand driving. Others are maimed for life. All vehicle traffic (including bicycles) must be banned within the city immediately.

C'mon, Mayor.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 10/16/2010 5:47:49 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: neverdem
This whole issue -- especially as it pertains to New York City's smoking regulations -- hits home with me in a different way.

I'll never forget that cold December evening around Christmas back in 2004 or 2005 -- when I was walking down a busy street in New York City and came across a soldier who had just returned from Iraq and was on his way home. He was standing there with a giant pack of his belongings, talking with a small group of people as he stood there smoking a cigarette. He had tried to go into the bar/restaurant on the corner, but wasn't allowed to smoke in there.

I just couldn't fathom how U.S. politicians could send young Americans halfway around the world to "fight for our freedom" (this is a term that even mayor Bloomberg used to use with boring regularity in reference to the military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan), only to tell them that when they come home they have to stand and shiver outside if they want to smoke a cigarette.

"War on Terror," my @ss.

23 posted on 10/16/2010 5:51:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: WellyP
As a person who is very allergic to tobacco smoke I agree with this 100%.

So you think we should all be restricted because of some weird allergy you have? Why don't you just stay out of Central Park if it's a problem for you?

ML/NJ

24 posted on 10/16/2010 5:52:25 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: neverdem

New York City has cancer and Bloomie worries about the dandruff.


25 posted on 10/16/2010 6:37:53 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: WellyP

These article always say the “smoke has passed through the lungs”. Some of it has but the rest of it or maybe most of it, is coming right off the burning end of the cigarette. It is the same smoke that smokers crave and a huge majority of us hate it. Why should we have to breathe it? I can’t stop breathing because they want to smoke. Take it home and smoke it.


26 posted on 10/16/2010 6:51:07 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Why are people so sensitive to cig smoke when there are much worse scents around?

A grudge match?

Whatever the underlying cause, it's turned into a "first they came for the smokers..." matter. The Goreites are using the same tricks that the anti-smoking activists pioneered.

27 posted on 10/16/2010 8:18:39 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: WellyP
"...if they wish to go to specially licensed bars or restaurants that allow smoking I also see no problem but please keep the smoke out of my face."

That's the problem right there!

In my state there is no place for people who smoke to gather -- none -- not one. WHY? Why can't there be accommodations for both sides?

It's pathetic that hubby and I have to go to Vegas where he can enjoy a cigar with his adult beverage with other like-minded adults.

28 posted on 10/16/2010 8:26:23 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GeorgiaGuy
I walk the streets of Manhattan daily. I wish he’d outlaw smoking on the sidewalk. I’ve lost count of how many times some trash smoker’s cigarette has burned me or how many times I have to inhale someone’s smoke.

Man up. You're outdoors.

29 posted on 10/16/2010 8:27:33 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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30 posted on 10/16/2010 10:38:19 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: WellyP
As a person who is very allergic to tobacco smoke I agree with this 100%.

What symptoms do you experience? Do you break out in a rash, become short of breath, etc.?

31 posted on 10/16/2010 11:32:13 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Nanny State PING!


32 posted on 10/16/2010 12:18:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: GeorgiaGuy
You've got to be kidding. It would take about fifty smokers to equal the output of one automobile's exhaust and the auto exhaust would still be about 10,000 times as toxic.

The second-hand smoke meme is nothing but a self-induced neurosis.

33 posted on 10/16/2010 12:28:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: WellyP
Likewise, if they wish to go to specially licensed bars or restaurants that allow smoking I also see no problem but please keep the smoke out of my face.

Why does the private business have to have a special license? A license is a tax - it's a permission slip.

Private Business owners should just post a sign - smoking allowed or no smoking allowed.
And even sign posting is pushing it, nowadays you have sign police, sign regulations and sign fees.

34 posted on 10/16/2010 12:35:28 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: GOP_Lady

Same thing in my state. I always tell people if they want to eliminate smoking in their state in restaurants and bars just have me move there. EVERY state I have lived in has gotten rid of smoking after I had moved there.
(Yes, I am a smoker)


35 posted on 10/16/2010 12:45:03 PM PDT by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: neverdem

If it wasn’t for term limits, Rudy Giuliani would STILL be New York City Mayor today! Leave it to Michael Bloomberg to, eventually, get rid of term limits for New York City Mayor, after Bloomberg took over as mayor-a big mistake.


36 posted on 10/16/2010 1:00:46 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Someone walks by smoking a cig and I smell it. No problem. A diesel truck drives by and I'm gagging, feeling nauseous.

I SO agree!! The people next door have a diesel vehicle at times (I think it's a work truck), and I have to close all the doors and windows if they're idling it outside. The neighbors across the street sit and smoke on their front porch and I can't smell it.

I voted against all the smoking bans in AZ, I don't drink or smoke or go to bars but this is getting ludicrous.

37 posted on 10/16/2010 1:50:20 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
I voted against all the smoking bans in AZ, I don't drink or smoke or go to bars but this is getting ludicrous.

This BS passed ludicrous 10-15 years ago and is now nothing short of fascism. Thank you for your vote against fascists and fascism. We freedom loving Americans appreciate you!

38 posted on 10/16/2010 3:01:26 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: neverdem
When will people get cancer from just seeing a cigarette?
39 posted on 10/16/2010 3:05:42 PM PDT by MaxMax (Conservatism isn't a party)
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To: neverdem
secondhand smoke murders 3,000 or 10,281 or some number of children, waitresses, and other blameless people every year.

Wow...when did they lower the number. The last I knew they were claiming secondhand smoke killed, that magical number, 400,000 every year. IIRC, that was the same number they used for the smoking deaths.

BTW, did anyone ever obtain a copy of a death certificate citing "smoking" as the cause of death?

40 posted on 10/16/2010 3:08:12 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: neverdem
Probably just hysterical anxiety. I've met people who think they'll
get cancer just by smelling tobacco. Lunacy.
41 posted on 10/16/2010 3:14:13 PM PDT by MaxMax (Conservatism isn't a party)
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To: Just A Nobody

Awww, thank you!

It’s so flippin’ scary. The other fascist moves they’ve made in AZ -— putting cold medicines in the pharmacy, practically making you sign your life away to get the. Not something I take because I use homeopathic, but it’s APPALLING. You have to show a DL and sign a registry! But they won’t “card” illegal aliens in our state, thanks to the leftists.

And now, even in small towns in AZ, we look like big prison yards, with Big Brother, futuristic spy cams. Oh, they call them red-light cameras but they monitor our comings and goings and get people turning yellow on the rigged light.

I avoid these intersections and small towns like the plague, but it’s getting harder. In our city, they keep installing the cams in the most conservative and middle class part of town. Not in the poor (including some minority) parts, that would be insensitive. And again, illegal aliens or even just day visitors from another country are exempt.

I don’t think they’ve taken our trans-fat away yet like they have in NY... They did take junk food vending machines out of the county buildings, thanks to stimulus money.


42 posted on 10/16/2010 3:46:05 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 10/16/2010 8:44:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: WellyP

How in the hell is someone smoking outside (with no one around) keeping smoke in your face? Many of these outdoor places are large and not crowded with people.


44 posted on 10/17/2010 6:06:45 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Ditter

The problem is that these aholes will eventually ban smoking in your home if you have kids in the house.


45 posted on 10/17/2010 6:11:41 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: neverdem

The amazing thing to me is the number of supposed conservative FReepers that support the niconazi’s war on liberty.


46 posted on 10/18/2010 6:38:52 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

“Why are people so sensitive to cig smoke when there are much worse scents around?”

Because they have been told to be so sensitive to tobacco. We have a nation of sheeple.


47 posted on 10/18/2010 6:40:53 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: GeorgiaGuy

To bad that they banned smoking inside of privately owned property. Then you wouldn’t have to have such an interaction with smokers. I’m sure that they would prefer to be smoking in a much more comfortable environment.

Would you be willing to fight the smoking bans on private property so that you would see it less while you are walking?


48 posted on 10/18/2010 6:44:01 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: GeorgiaGuy

LOL!

They are outside because indoor establishments have thrown them out.


49 posted on 10/18/2010 12:05:32 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Alberta's Child

The smug sanctimony of America visavis smoking is breathtaking.

The soldier, a hero, is instantly a villian stateside once he lights up.

War on Tobacco has gone a hell of a lot better than the War on Terror.


50 posted on 10/18/2010 12:08:13 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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