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Bosnia: Muslims shelled own people, witness tells court
Adnkronos ^ | 10/18/10 | staff

Posted on 10/18/2010 11:56:23 AM PDT by Nachum

The Hague - A witness for the prosecution testifying in the trial of wartime Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, told the United Nations war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), that the Bosnian Muslim army at least on one occasion fired at their own people to blame the Serbs during 1992-1995 war. Canadian general David Fraser, who served with the UN peacekeepers in Bosnia, told the tribunal that Bosnian Serbs shelled the capital Sarajevo “excessively and unselectively” during 44-month siege, But “at least in one case”, it was determined that a mortar fired from Muslim positions hit the centre

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; muslims; own; shelled

1 posted on 10/18/2010 11:56:26 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I guarantee it was in more than one case.


2 posted on 10/18/2010 11:57:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (Bring on the Yankees!)
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To: Nachum

muslims killing muslims? say it isn’t true....


3 posted on 10/18/2010 11:59:53 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 634 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Nachum

I understand that Angelina Jolie is making a movie where the Serbs were committing mass rape of Muslim women when in truth it was the opposite. There have been protests from a group of women claiming 100,000 members.

The main point of the movie is also going to have a victim fall in love with the rapist. gag.


4 posted on 10/18/2010 12:00:05 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Nachum

It certainly wouldn’t surprise me a bit.


5 posted on 10/18/2010 12:01:15 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: Nachum

The world, including Americans are big time brain-washed when it comes to who the enemy really is in the Balkans, and guess what it ain’t the Serbs.


6 posted on 10/18/2010 12:06:51 PM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Bokababe; Nachum

You will like this one ping.


7 posted on 10/18/2010 12:09:12 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: gitmogrunt

It doesn’t take much to figure out who the bad guys are. Look at all the hot spots in the world and in 99.9% of the cases, one side is muslim and sometimes, both sides are.


8 posted on 10/18/2010 12:12:47 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: Nachum

NATO bombed the wrong side.


9 posted on 10/18/2010 12:15:15 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib
NATO bombed the wrong side.

So, should NATO have bombed Slovenia and Croatia when the Serbs attacked them as well? Under Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadjic and Gen. Ratko Mladic, the Serbs were a murderous bunch. I'm not giving them any quarter in that conflict.

10 posted on 10/18/2010 12:25:07 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: GeronL
The main point of the movie is also going to have a victim fall in love with the rapist.

Unfortunately, this is historically quite common.

You might also note the remarkably frequent appearance of the theme in "romance novels" sold almost exclusively to women.

11 posted on 10/18/2010 12:34:51 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Well, that’s just messed up


12 posted on 10/18/2010 12:39:09 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: GeronL

I agree. Quite obviously a large number of women find the notion exciting, at least in their fantasy life.

They might not get such a charge out of it in real life.


13 posted on 10/18/2010 12:42:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

14 posted on 10/18/2010 1:53:25 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: ScottinVA

I’m talking about the Bosnian Muslims! No one’s going to fall for that Saul Alinsky stuff about changing the subject around here.

NATO shouldn’t have been fluffing the Mussie’s territorial ambitions.

It’s a mistake that will cost us for years to come.


15 posted on 10/18/2010 1:54:27 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: ScottinVA

When did Serbia attack Slovenia and Croatia?


16 posted on 10/18/2010 2:04:06 PM PDT by montyspython
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To: Nachum
They blow their own people up all the time....

Why is this a surprise?

17 posted on 10/18/2010 2:05:36 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: ScottinVA; Bokababe; FormerLib

Slovenia was attacked by the united Yugoslav Army (NOT “the Serbs”) to prevent its secession. The “war” was over in less than a week, with very few casualties.

The Nazi Croats seceded unilaterally, and disenfranchised the Krajina Serbs who had lived there for over 300 years, and were caught in “Croatian” territory because of borders set by the commies. Serb Krajina seceded, hence the war, which Radovan and Ratko had NOTHING to do with! Under the New World Order, Nazi Croats, Nazi “Bosnian” muslims, and Nazi Kosovo Albanians have the right to secede, but Orthodox Christian Serbs don’t. You call that fair?

Yes the Croats, muslims, and Albanians (who are also muslim) are Nazi. They supported the Nazis in WWII, they’ve NEVER been de-Nazified, and they act like Nazis today. They’re all proud of and celebrate their Nazi connections!

Meanwhile, the Serbian Christians were our allies in WWII, and saved American airmen who were downed during their raids on the Ploiesti oil fields. All the Serbs wanted was to save their territories, and to protect their people who were menaced by implacable, murderous enemies.

And what do our American mis-leaders do? Side with Nazis and muslims!!!! And our media lies and lies about the whole situation, so that you parrot their garbage that “the Serbs are a murderous bunch”.


18 posted on 10/18/2010 3:26:36 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: montyspython

He’ll be doing that “they started World War One shtick next!”


19 posted on 10/18/2010 3:37:39 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: ScottinVA
Under Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadjic and Gen. Ratko Mladic, the Serbs were a murderous bunch.

I have no apriori stake in anything involving the balkans.  I am not of slavic origin, a member of the orthodox church etc. and in fact I do not really even know any Serbs.  I speak Russian reasonably well and I have a reasonably good idea of how Russians think, and there was a big question mark in 95, i.e. assuming everything you read in the media is correct and the Serbs really are the assholes of the world, is it worth damaging relations with Russia over?  To me the answer was not really, but I could not have framed an argument or a case very easily.

When the whole process started up again in 99, I decided to make it my business to go out on the internet and learn as much as possible on the subject.  Here's what all I learned:

As nearly as I can tell, the Serbs are the closest thing there are to normal decent people in the Balkans.  There were 25 or 26 ethnic groups in the yugoslav federation, only three or four of which had any sort of a problem dealing with Serbs, and those are the three or four which sided with Adolf Hitler in WW-II.

In fact the Serbs declared war on Hitler and held him for many months and sent him into Russia in the dead of winter instead of on schedule, but for which we might all be working in a Nazi coal mine in West Virginia.  In fact, the Serbs rescued something like 500 allied airmen who were downed coming back from the raids over Ploesti and other balkan targets.  Any allied airman who ever parachuted into Croatia, Albania, or any of the other parts of the Balkans was tortured and killed.  The Serbs paid a huge price for this, two or three million being killed in death camps in the surrounding states, which sided with Hitler.

Kosovo in fact had been majority Serb prior to the war and was the ancient heartland of Serbia, with 1500 or so orthodox shrines and monasteries.    Many Serbs living in Kosovo were killed by the nazis, and Tito, a Croat, moved many more out of Kosovo, and then you started getting large numbers of Albanians moving into Kosovo to escape one of the worst regimes in the commie world in Albania.  Most Albanian Kosovars are in fact illegal immigrants.

Bad went to worse after the war until Milosevic ended up having to rescind the autonomy of the province in 89, and that was the genesis of the modern problems of Kosovo.  Milosevic had no options;  every other ethnic group in Kosovo was being brutalized by the Albanians.  According to every account I was able to read, in the winter of 99, there was in actual fact nothing resembling ethnic cleansing or genocide going on in Kosovo; only a bunch of innocent people trying to protect themselves from a low-grade guerilla war being waged by narco-terrorists with money and arms being supplied by other nations.

In fact the whole problem in Kosovo was the Albanians, who appear to be universally hated in the region. These people average ten or twelve children per family, and attempt to ensconce themselves into little corners of other peoples' countries and breed for fifteen or twenty years until they constitute a majority population in those corners, and then break those corners off into their "greater Albania".  Greeks, Macedonians, Serbs and othere refer to this as "rabbit breeding your way to power".  That's aside from rape, murder, poisoning wells etc. etc., which they also excel at.

From everything I was able to read, Albanians are responsible for as much as 90% of European heroin trafficking, most of the prostitution south of Germany, most of the traffic in stolen vehicles moving from Europe to Russia and the Levant, and on and on and on.  Therefore it came as no surprise to to learn that the real reasons such as they were for our involvement had basically nothing to do with Albanian Kosovars, who no rational person could give a rat's ass over.  There were six or eight real reasons for wanting to get into Kosovo and together they did not add up to a believable case and the pentagon advised Slick not to do it.

Nonetheless the thing which was on the front page of virtually all American journals at the time was the Juanita Broaddrick story, i.e. a credible allegation of a brutal rape by a sitting president of the United States, and Slick clearly needed something to get that story off the papers.  A week after Kosovo started, there were pictures of Slick and his toadies doing high-fives and talking about hitting a home run. A home run, in fact, which cost the lives of several thousand little slavic orthodox children.

As near as I could tell, NATO commanders realized that this thing was another episode of dog-wagging for which they could not ask pilots to risk their lives over and ordered bombing attacks practically from orbit, and then when they realized they  could not harm the Serbian military from 25,000', embarked upon a wholesale campaign of what most people would call war crimes, targetting the Serbian people and their infrastructure hundreds of kilometers from any legitimate military target.

Aside from every other problem with Kosovo, the precedent which it represents cannot possibly be allowed to stand.  If ethnicity is everything and ownership and sovereignty don't mean anything anymore, then what are we going to say when the UN comes here demanding that we hand Texas, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and California over to Mexico on the same perverted basis?

20 posted on 10/18/2010 6:34:46 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
In fact the whole problem in Kosovo was the Albanians, who appear to be universally hated in the region. These people average ten or twelve children per family, and attempt to ensconce themselves into little corners of other peoples' countries and breed for fifteen or twenty years until they constitute a majority population in those corners, and then break those corners off into their "greater Albania".

Even Albanians in Albania want no part of incorporating Kosovars into Albania.

21 posted on 10/18/2010 6:42:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Bring on the Yankees!)
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To: dfwgator

The best show there will ever be in our lifetimes will be watching Serbian tanks roll back into Kosovo.


22 posted on 10/18/2010 7:03:56 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Sherman Logan

Stockholm Syndrome?


23 posted on 10/18/2010 7:19:11 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: wendy1946

That will be the day for rejoicing.

When Serbs take back their land...Bosnia as well as Kosovo too....and send the Muslims packing to whatever hellhole they wish to go to.

I only wish the Greeks had the cojones to do the same wiht Turkey and illegally occuped Cyprus...they have been Euroweenies too long I’m afriad....but never say never.


24 posted on 10/18/2010 7:22:38 PM PDT by eleni121 (http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm)
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To: Netizen

People don’t like to think about it much, but for most of human history women, at least most women, got very little say as to who they would have sex with.

For a woman who had been “given in marriage” to a stranger, and essentially raped on her wedding night to be able to then fall in love with him and live a happy life was very much a pro-survival trait. Misery and thoughts of revenge would not help her situation in the slightest. She was stuck and had better make the best of it.

Not that I approve of this, but this is what life was like for most women. Which makes the claims of modern feminists that western civ, just about the first civilization to give women a choice in these matters, is uniquely oppressive of women very strange.


25 posted on 10/18/2010 7:34:45 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wendy1946

As long as buffoon sock puppets like Boris Tadic remain in power, that scenario will have to wait.


26 posted on 10/18/2010 10:19:44 PM PDT by montyspython
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To: Honorary Serb
Slovenia was attacked by the united Yugoslav Army (NOT “the Serbs”)

Serbia was the dominant force in what remained of Yugoslavia at the time and tried to prevent through military means the secession of first Slovenia and then Croatia. Milosevic was behind that conflict. Do you remember the siege and shelling of Dubrovnik? True, Karadjic and Mladic were not involved in the initial attacks on Slovenia and Croatia, but were absolutely at the spearhead in Bosnia-Herzegovina. I didn't make that clear enough in my earlier post. I'm not saying whether it was "fair" whether Orthodox Serbs had a right to secede or not; the point I'm making is the the center of the orbit in the Balkans was in Belgrade, and that regime was the main driver, supplier and supporter of the ethnic trouble in the former Yugoslav states.

27 posted on 10/19/2010 7:38:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: wendy1946
If ethnicity is everything and ownership and sovereignty don't mean anything anymore, then what are we going to say when the UN comes here demanding that we hand Texas, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and California over to Mexico on the same perverted basis?

On that point I agree with you. I never stated Kosovo should be forcibly disjointed from Serbia. It absolutely was a mistake to sever it, and I asked the same question you did... what if the UN pushed for the same vis-a-vis the American southwest. My argument is in a narrow lane here... my point was the majority of the violence that ensued from the breakup of Yugoslavia originated from Belgrade.

28 posted on 10/19/2010 7:43:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA; wendy1946; Bokababe; eleni121

The main driver of the breakup of Yugoslavia, and the ensuing violence, was not Belgrade, but Washington!!!! They did it for geopolitical reasons not to “protect human rights”. And they colluded with the Nazi terrorist Bosnian muslims, the Nazi terrorist Kosovo Shiptars, and the Nazi Croats.

Now one of the main villains in the whole sorry episode, Joe DioGuardi, is a Republican candidate for the Senate in New York. And the Federal government, with some of the same people who messed over the Balkans advising obama (e.g, Brzezinski, Soros) are treating our own Arizona as another Serbia!!!! Then there is the issue of Israel, and of Administration support of muslim fifth columnists in our own country.

Defend Serbia, Republika Srpska, Arizona, and Israel!!!! And let’s get our own house in order!!!!


29 posted on 10/19/2010 8:04:08 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

let’s get our own house in order!!!!


If we do not, the grand experiment called the US will continue on the road to ruin.


30 posted on 10/19/2010 8:26:52 AM PDT by eleni121 (http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm)
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To: ScottinVA

You are way over your head. How does one attack their own country?

Start here, who was the president of Yugoslavia when Slovenia staged it’s illegal and violent secession?


31 posted on 10/19/2010 9:49:56 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: montyspython
Start here, who was the president of Yugoslavia when Slovenia staged it’s illegal and violent secession?

In the nominal or realistic sense? Do you contend Serbia was not the dominant power in Yugoslavia?

32 posted on 10/19/2010 12:16:42 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA
...then Croatia. Milosevic was behind that conflict.

ScotttinVa: The catalyst of the first wave of the war can easily be attributed to the new constitution introduced by (Ultra-Nationalist) Franjo Tudjman, which stripped the Serbs in Croatia of many of their rights, refusing, amongst other things, to accept the right of the Serb minority within Croatia – a majority in the Krajina – to self determination.

33 posted on 10/19/2010 5:01:18 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: ScottinVA

How was it a dominant power? You still didn’t answer my question, and after answering that one why don’t you look at who occupied the senior command positions in the JNA.


34 posted on 10/19/2010 6:01:39 PM PDT by montyspython
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To: GeronL

Here is more on Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/angelina-jolie-gets-bosni_n_766190.html


35 posted on 10/20/2010 11:17:30 AM PDT by Dragonfly
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To: ScottinVA

The only Yugoslav soldier to die in Slovenia was a Slovene helicopter pilot.


36 posted on 10/28/2010 7:28:32 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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