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N.C. Judge Rules For Republicans In Voting Machine Foul-Ups
WBT Radio ^ | 10/30/2010 | A.P.

Posted on 10/30/2010 6:59:16 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot

Edited on 10/30/2010 7:31:39 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A federal judge in North Carolina ruled Saturday that voters must be warned touch-screen voting machines are sensitive and poll workers will need to keep detailed records of complaints about the machines during next week's elections.

The temporary order issued by Judge Malcolm Howard stemmed from a lawsuit filed by the state Republican Party against the State Board of Elections a day earlier.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: electionfraud; fraud; votefraud; voterfraud; voting
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1 posted on 10/30/2010 6:59:20 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot
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To: Palmetto Patriot
He also ordered that all records associated with the machines be preserved.

That's called "evidence" in legal lingo.

2 posted on 10/30/2010 7:01:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Just another white boy riding in the back of the bus next to the Emergency Exit.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Good for him. Judges don’t like to get mixed up in elections but this is a good ruling. He must be a pretty good lawyer.


3 posted on 10/30/2010 7:04:48 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (the way to win this game is not to play)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

This is why electronic voting machines MUST print out your votes and allow you to view them through a window so that you KNOW that your votes are cast correctly. If the votes are not correct, you and the election judge can void it and the votes are electronically subtracted from the total and you vote again.


4 posted on 10/30/2010 7:04:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Bump.


5 posted on 10/30/2010 7:13:42 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Jefferson: I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves)
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Excellent ruling!

Our county doesn't use the touch screen machines. We use the ones where you complete the broken line with a black marker and then feed it into a machine when you are done. I don't recall ever having complaints about them in the 15 years I've lived here. Wonder why all of our counties in NC can't have the same machines?

6 posted on 10/30/2010 7:20:17 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: mykdsmom

We fill in the oval and feed them into the scanner.

In 08 there was a single touch screen machine there but so few people used it they never brought it back.


7 posted on 10/30/2010 7:30:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Board officials have disputed the Republican claims, saying the lawsuit was intended to erode voter confidence and any issues during early voting were isolated and quickly fixed.

Ummm...if there were problems that were fixed then that indeed means there were problems that may happen again. No mention of what caused the problems but, hey, we're supposed to just believe they are gone and couldn't possibly happen again. /sarc

8 posted on 10/30/2010 7:32:14 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives." Ray LaHood)
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Good for that judge. The NC Secretary of State (a liberal Democrat) has a smarmy reply to the Republican complaint posted on the SOS website, noting how disingenuous the Republicans are for "trying to imply this is a widespread problem that favors the Democrats" or something like that.

And of course stating (as the Rat SOS in Nevada did too) that there is no evidence whatsoever of any fraud, and the problem with the voting machines was simply due to the Republican voters "brushing" the screen the wrong way.

Yeah. That must be it.

9 posted on 10/30/2010 7:32:53 PM PDT by PermaRag (the stock market will stop bleeding when those who manipulate it START bleeding)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Why not a receipt with a running tally for your vote and all votes cast?

That would end fraud completely, no?


10 posted on 10/30/2010 7:36:39 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

As long as the machines are in service, we’re screwed. They should have been ordered out of service.

The GOP should have tested and inspected every machine well before early voting started. As usual, the GOP is a day late and a dollar short. They are so lame, it’d be funny if it wasn’t so serious.


11 posted on 10/30/2010 7:41:13 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants)....... would step ince 2006,up)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


12 posted on 10/30/2010 7:42:42 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It is what you can’t see that should worry you.


13 posted on 10/30/2010 7:47:09 PM PDT by Revel
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To: cripplecreek

We fill in the oval and feed them into the scanner.

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Same here in Florida.


14 posted on 10/30/2010 7:51:58 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: mykdsmom

We use the same method here, works great and I never hear complaints. Don’t know why everyone doesn’t since these electronic machines are too easy to tamper with.


15 posted on 10/30/2010 7:56:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Since most vote fraud is committed by the left, eliminating computerized voting machines should be a conservative political priority.

Will this be the election that teaches the public about the risks inherent to computerized voting?

16 posted on 10/30/2010 7:56:29 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Thanks for posting this. Corrupt elections are becoming the norm after Acorn in the last election. They need to address this now to help head off more of this in 2012.
17 posted on 10/30/2010 7:58:18 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Palmetto Patriot
Princeton researchers show how to hack a Diebold voting machine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0cxSJwG9Q0

18 posted on 10/30/2010 8:02:08 PM PDT by TChad
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To: FlingWingFlyer
That's called "evidence" in legal lingo.

That's great and let shed the light on theses "*cockroaches" to the public....
IIRC, All OK Elections has "paper backup".

*w/ humble apologies to the cockroaches.


19 posted on 10/30/2010 8:09:10 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Imam Zer0: DeathCARE, Is my plan...So just die (quicky), please & save $$$$ :^)
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To: Revel

Hence the reason for the printout. 10.00 bucks worth of gas comes with a printout, why not an election.


20 posted on 10/30/2010 8:22:01 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: TChad
Princeton researchers show how to hack a Diebold voting machine:

Ahhh....the researchers, they must have had a-lot of practice.....
was this a Union &/ Ivy League funded study?


21 posted on 10/30/2010 8:27:28 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Imam Zer0: DeathCARE, Is my plan...So just die (quicky), please & save $$$$ :^)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Finally! The GOP should have reacted sooner.


22 posted on 10/30/2010 8:35:52 PM PDT by Attn to Detail
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To: skinkinthegrass
Ahhh....the researchers, they must have had a-lot of practice....

Actually, yes.

Here is another project by J. Alex Halderman and Ariel J. Feldman, showing that Sequoia voting machines are just as secure as Diebold machines:

Running Pac-Man on the Sequoia AVC-Edge DRE voting machine.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's give a warm welcome to the next President of the United States.


23 posted on 10/30/2010 9:25:37 PM PDT by TChad
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To: DefeatCorruption

I noticed during the infamous Florida re-counts of 2000, that those counties using optical scanner machines had 0 changes from the original count. We started using them a few years back and I love them. Not only are they accurate, but the ballots are preserved. I don’t trust the entire concept of computerized machines. To easy to corrupt the programming.


24 posted on 10/30/2010 9:43:48 PM PDT by Jess79
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To: PermaRag

Might that be one of the Secretaries of State that have been “installed” through George Soros’ tactical scheme?


25 posted on 10/30/2010 9:52:57 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Please, those of you who Twitter or are on Facebook, spread this around!

Reporting Voter Fraud

The Republican Party has set up a National Hotline, which will be staffed with Attorneys to handle polling issues as well as possible voter fraud or intimidation.
1 - 888 - 775 - 8117. IF you even SUSPECT this is happening, PLEASE call for their free advice.

http://www.resistnet.com/


26 posted on 10/30/2010 10:24:23 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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27 posted on 10/30/2010 10:25:03 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is why electronic voting machines MUST print out your votes and allow you to view them through a window so that you KNOW that your votes are cast correctly. If the votes are not correct, you and the election judge can void it and the votes are electronically subtracted from the total and you vote again.

Yes, that's what Dems were warning from the start.

Sad that the establishment Republicans are getting hoist by their own petard and having to reverse their position and oppose these rotten things. It would have been nice if they had been on board from the start.

28 posted on 10/30/2010 10:29:26 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: chilltherats
The GOP should have tested and inspected every machine well before early voting started. As usual, the GOP is a day late and a dollar short. They are so lame, it’d be funny if it wasn’t so serious.

Remember, it was the Republicans who were pushing for the no-paper-record electronic machines. :-(

29 posted on 10/30/2010 10:30:39 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

That’s news to me.


30 posted on 10/30/2010 10:40:03 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants)....... would step ince 2006,up)
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To: TChad
Since most vote fraud is committed by the left, eliminating computerized voting machines should be a conservative political priority.

Agreed. It's yet another case where the Establishment Republicans have sold out America by pushing these rotten things.

And they've called conservatives and liberals paranoid for wanting paper backup.

31 posted on 10/30/2010 10:42:33 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: chilltherats
Just Google "Diebold Republican" and you'll see why the Dems were so opposed to them. It's not just (formerly) Diebold, too. The GOP ties to the voting machines are all up and down the line, too...not just on hardware, but on software, deployment, etc.

And they knew there were glitches but fought tooth and nail against putting in security measures like those in lottery systems.

32 posted on 10/30/2010 10:48:47 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Judge Howard’s a good guy. ‘Nam vet if memory serves, and he’s on the FISA Court.


33 posted on 10/31/2010 1:43:28 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: mykdsmom; cripplecreek

We have the connect the dot and one touch screen (for the disabled —the ones least likely to know the machine messed up) This is the last election for both. New system counts on one machine....printing out a ballot that can be kept as a record and check for the the disabled so everyone will have a paper trail.
Our election board is quite excited/happy about the change. We’ll be using them the first time for city election...to get the kinks out for the presidential election. We have a great tech team. Honest and well thought of gentlemen in our community.


34 posted on 10/31/2010 4:08:47 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Elsiejay

Harry Reid’s Son in Charge of Nevada Voting Machines Used in Fraud.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/242/299/Harry_Reids_Son_in_Charge_of_Nevada_Voting_Machines_Used_in_Fraud.html


35 posted on 10/31/2010 5:00:26 AM PDT by neal1960 (D m cr ts S ck. Would you like to buy a vowel?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In 2008 FOX had an expert on voting machines on. He demonstrated how a vote could be for one person in the machine and print out something else.

In otherwards, with the electronic machine, your printout may not mean your vote registered to the person you voted for.


36 posted on 10/31/2010 5:05:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy

Right, so one of the only reasons to have an electronic voting machine is to print properly-formed ballots.

You can also have a pseudosecret ballot election, where each voter is given a random key, and a receipt with a list of candidates he voted for, and then the key-vote pairs are published and the voter can verify later that his vote was correctly counted.


37 posted on 10/31/2010 5:27:16 AM PDT by cmj328
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Judge Malcolm J. Howard was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

President Reagan is still fighting for freedom.


38 posted on 10/31/2010 5:55:21 AM PDT by Stormtrooper79
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To: chilltherats
The GOP should have tested and inspected every machine well before early voting started.

Uh, you know that that's illegal, right?

As usual, the GOP is a day late and a dollar short.

You know, it's about time for the GOP-bashers to shut their pieholes and start getting on board with beating the Democrats, instead of acting like termites.

39 posted on 10/31/2010 6:01:48 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Electronic voting machines should be banned. Like any other computer there will always be security issues which make them trivially easy to hack.


40 posted on 10/31/2010 6:01:57 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
Electronic voting machines should be banned.

Exactly.
Even the dims were against them.
Not sure of their stance now.
If they've figured out how to 'game' them they might want them to stay.

41 posted on 10/31/2010 6:11:59 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Gondring

“The problem with computer-assisted voting systems was that they centralized the opportunity for fraud.” - ES&S vice president Gary Greenhalgh in a NY Times article.

Interesting to note that Greenhalgh got his start in the election business under Ransom Shoup (convicted on felony bribery counts in 1979.) Oh, and Greenhalgh’s employer in 1999 (MicroVote, where he worked as national sales director)sent $130k in bribery payments to an election official in Mecklenburg County.

And take a guess what company’s machines are used in most NC counties.

ES&S’s Ivotronic.


42 posted on 10/31/2010 6:16:36 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

This was ruled on by a FEDERAL Judge. Does that mean it will apply in Nevada? It should!


43 posted on 10/31/2010 6:26:31 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: TChad

Diebold/Chavez, you mean! Those are the machines that Chavez used in Venezuela to steal election after election!

If the French can do it, WE can do it! Paper ballots ONLY!


44 posted on 10/31/2010 6:29:32 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: 1010RD; Blood of Tyrants
Why not a receipt with a running tally for your vote and all votes cast?

The unions have pushed for this for a long time. The reasoning... they can compel their membership to show the receipts to confirm they voted as they were directed to do. On balance, this scares me more than electronic voting by providing the tool unions (and potentially others, for that matter) can use to make the secret ballot known.

Remember the New Black Panther thugs with batons standing outside the polling place in 2008? What's to keep them from telling voters entering, "We'll want to see who you voted for on your way out." The harm of that intimidation is beyond any electronic manipulation that is going on.

45 posted on 10/31/2010 6:30:06 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: eyedigress; Revel

See post 45. Lots of mischief can happen with paper receipts.


46 posted on 10/31/2010 6:34:22 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: indylindy

If you can view the printout and verify it, how can it not be for the person you wanted?


47 posted on 10/31/2010 7:22:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It’s about time people stop making excuses for how lame the GOP is when it comes to standing around like witless dorks while the rats run roughshod over us. They, and their worshippers like you, need to lead, follow, or GTF out of the way. So shut your piehole and start holding them accountable instead of bitching out the rest of us who are sick and tired of putting up with their lameazz performance.


48 posted on 10/31/2010 1:23:40 PM PDT by chilltherats (He was born with a roaring voice, and it had the trick of inflaming half-wits against their betters)
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To: Gondring
"Remember, it was the Republicans who were pushing for the no-paper-record electronic machines."

Not around here.

49 posted on 10/31/2010 8:56:27 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Gondring
Remember, it was the Republicans who were pushing for the no-paper-record electronic machines. :-(

On which planet other than Earth? If Republicans pushed for this, there were at least a 1000 Democrats for every Republican who did. I remember quite clearly it was the Republicans who wanted physical evidence of each and every vote.
50 posted on 10/31/2010 9:00:30 PM PDT by aruanan
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