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American Thinker ^ | October 30, 2010 | Michael Geer

Posted on 10/30/2010 10:07:47 PM PDT by Sioux-san

The Vatican has called for Israel to end its occupation of "Arab lands," noting that all of what we define currently as Israel is "Arab land."

That the Bible must not be used to justify either their ‘occupation' nor their ‘injustices' against Palestinians.

"The Holy Scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation by Israel of Palestinian lands," Monsignor Cyril Salim Bustros, Greek Melkite archbishop of Our Lady of the Annunciation in Boston, Massachusetts, and president of the "Commission for the Message," said at Saturday's Vatican press conference.

"We Christians cannot speak of the ‘promised land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people - all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."

You've just been witness to a significant event in the End Times unfolding, amigo. The Vatican stating that Israel is "no longer a chosen people".

The Vatican has just nullified the Bible, and elevated Replacement Theology in full public view.

This is .... stunning.

Vatican synod calls for end to Israel's ‘occupation'


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Seems like the folks in Rome learned nothing during the past 2000 years.
1 posted on 10/30/2010 10:07:48 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

Some what say it’s “stuning” as well.


2 posted on 10/30/2010 10:09:39 PM PDT by library user
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To: Sioux-san

Some would say it’s “stuning” as well.


3 posted on 10/30/2010 10:09:46 PM PDT by library user
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To: Sioux-san

Give me liberty or give me a stress test.


4 posted on 10/30/2010 10:10:35 PM PDT by library user
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To: Sioux-san

Did they also call for all church officials to leave Israel and all churches to be converted into mosques?


5 posted on 10/30/2010 10:10:41 PM PDT by MichaelNewton
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To: Sioux-san

Someone please tell me that this is not an official Vatican position.


6 posted on 10/30/2010 10:13:30 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Sioux-san

More comments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617922/posts


7 posted on 10/30/2010 10:14:03 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: Sioux-san

I guess that they don’t take the Bible seriously in Rome.


8 posted on 10/30/2010 10:14:34 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: library user

Dear God,
Why are all the moronic Catholics from Boston..denomination not withstanding?

Did they mingle with the Quacky Quakers in the eighteen century or what?
Please help us?

Can they move to Jordan and join the palis in their real homeland?
Please help us!!


9 posted on 10/30/2010 10:14:58 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Sioux-san

Gosh, that’s a surprise! Here all this time I thought they were right on the money. /sarc


10 posted on 10/30/2010 10:16:18 PM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: Sioux-san
Dear Vatican,
Thank you for your input, however, we cannot acquiesce to your request.
Bibi
11 posted on 10/30/2010 10:18:30 PM PDT by evad (SHUT IT DOWN!!!)
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To: Sioux-san

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - [Revelation 13:1-18 KJV]


12 posted on 10/30/2010 10:19:05 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: Sioux-san

Seems the Vatican has lost that old Crusader spirit, and also forgotten how the Moslems happen to be in the Jewish and Christian Holy Land in the first place.


13 posted on 10/30/2010 10:19:24 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Sioux-san
There is no longer a chosen people - all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.

This in spite of the fact that it is recorded exactly that way in the Bible. But now why should the Vatican let a little thing like Bible verse get in the way of modern day political correctness and cow-towing terrorists and extremists?

What an utterly idiotic modern-day liberal view: we're all chosen/special/winners... It's all about feel-good self-esteem even if they haven't done anything to merit/earn it. If everyone is chosen, then no-one is chosen. If everyone is a winner, then no-one is, we're all tied for last.

14 posted on 10/30/2010 10:21:11 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Washington DC, the downsizng begins Nov 2...)
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To: Rocky

This is not an official Vatican position. It is the statement of a Synod of Catholic Bishops from the Middle East, meeting in the Vatican, at the invitation of the Pope, who did not participate in or control its deliberations or proclaim its results. These Arab Bishops have tended to lean against Israel over the decades, in part for the protection of their flocks.


15 posted on 10/30/2010 10:22:20 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: All

Calling on readers to clarify for the poster.

Perhaps a Methodist would like to translate?


16 posted on 10/30/2010 10:25:16 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Thanks.


17 posted on 10/30/2010 10:25:29 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Sioux-san

This must be a joke! Or have the jihadist infilltrated the vatican as well


18 posted on 10/30/2010 10:25:55 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: ThunderSleeps

There is no argument and you should not worry about defending it. The Jewish heritage is the chosen people. The Gentiles are saved by God through his presence and understanding of Satan through Jesus.


19 posted on 10/30/2010 10:25:58 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

How very brave these arab bishops are.


20 posted on 10/30/2010 10:28:10 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Sioux-san; All

“You’ve just been witness to a significant event in the End Times unfolding, amigo. The Vatican stating that Israel is “no longer a chosen people”.

The Vatican has just nullified the Bible, and elevated Replacement Theology in full public view.

Vatican synod calls for end to Israel’s ‘occupation’”.

It’s beyond stunning. I’m more confounded and shocked every day by the seemingly universal betrayal, and condemnation, of Israel. Do you think it’s because of who occupies our white house, that he’s setting the tone for the rest of the world’s stance?

This is extremely Bad.


21 posted on 10/30/2010 10:29:37 PM PDT by llandres
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To: Sioux-san

REALLY, REALLY wrong move. Someone’s playing with fire...


22 posted on 10/30/2010 10:32:24 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: llandres

Pray and receive your answer. It is a lack of basic understanding or faith that drives.


23 posted on 10/30/2010 10:33:23 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: aquila48

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=192474

No joke - our own Govt. is complicit in this, too. What other country on earth is treated this way? Israel is a sovereign nation with all the rights and responsibilities that go with such status. How dare the Vatican or George Bush or Barry Soetoro deny its right to exist and to defend itself. My blood is boiling....


24 posted on 10/30/2010 10:33:35 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san
In their “Appeal to the International Community” the bishops expressed “hopes that the two-state solution becomes a reality and not only a dream.”

A Judenfrei Israel. That's their dream. No one in their right mind still believes in a "two state solution" or "land for peace."

25 posted on 10/30/2010 10:34:07 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Lurker

It is easy to be brave with other people’s lives. It is like blaming those in Nazi Death Camps because they didn’t prevent their own exterminations. Christians in the Middle East have been living in a Muslim concentration camp, for 1000 to 1300 years, during which time they went from over 90% to less than 10% of the population.


26 posted on 10/30/2010 10:38:00 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

“It is the statement of a Synod of Catholic Bishops from the Middle East, meeting in the Vatican, at the invitation of the Pope, who did not participate in or control its deliberations or proclaim its results.”

Okay, guess that’s a small comfort. Bht when, then, will the POPE speak on this??? When will he take a stand on something so fundamental?


27 posted on 10/30/2010 10:38:39 PM PDT by llandres
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

They want to blame the Jews for their predicament. The Muslims are in the process of forcing all Arab Christians out of their countries. My guess is that this is the reason why the Vatican opposed the war in Iraq. They guessed that the United States would do nothing to protect Christians and that it would stir up the Arab hornet’s nest, which has been growing and growing since the First World War. The formerly Christian state of Lebanon has been destroyed. Within a few years, Christians will be rare everywhere in the Middle East, maybe even in Egypt.


28 posted on 10/30/2010 10:39:16 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: llandres

Clinton, George W Bush both were working diligently to bring Israel to its knees -Obama is just making it worse. I remember when Condaleeza Rice was SOS, she said that the new Palestinian country needed to be on contiguous land, which meant further carving up Israel to accomplish that. I am afraid that Bubba, W, and Barry are all cut from the same cloth when it comes to Israel. Who do they all take their marching orders from? Who keeps the money flowing? Whose hand was George holding and who was Barry bowing to? The End Times do seem very near.


29 posted on 10/30/2010 10:41:08 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san
It's been headed this way for quite sometime.
30 posted on 10/30/2010 10:41:31 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Let's get Physical)
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To: llandres
Okay, guess that’s a small comfort. Bht when, then, will the POPE speak on this??? When will he take a stand on something so fundamental?

Good question. The Pope invites then, then doesn't participate. What's up with that?

31 posted on 10/30/2010 10:41:38 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Paul speaks from prison extensively from this. He Wins


32 posted on 10/30/2010 10:41:44 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Lurker

“How very brave these arab bishops are.”

Nowadays, what’s brave is to be openly Christian and stand up for Israel.


33 posted on 10/30/2010 10:43:01 PM PDT by llandres
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

But one can almost see their knees knocking. PLEASE DON’T DESTROY OUR CHURCH! they seem to be begging Syria and Hezbollah.


34 posted on 10/30/2010 10:44:02 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Lurker
Israel is "no longer a chosen people".

Blame the Jews.

VATICAN CITY (RNS) A special Vatican meeting on the Middle East ended Saturday (Oct. 23) with a flare-up in Catholic-Jewish tensions, after an American bishop declared the Bible does not give Jews privileged rights to the land of Israel. "There is no longer a chosen people -- all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people." (Archbishop Cyril Bustros, a native of Lebanon who is currently a Melkite Greek Catholic bishop in Newton Mass.)

35 posted on 10/30/2010 10:44:33 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Sioux-san

Cyril Salim Bustros is from Lebanon and has ties to Hizbollah. I’m ashamed of American Spectator.


36 posted on 10/30/2010 10:46:38 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: Sioux-san
"We Christians cannot speak of the ‘promised land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people - all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Salvation is of the Jews. NOT WAS, IS.

37 posted on 10/30/2010 10:47:17 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: BobP

Why would you blame the Jewish culture....... Just blame the fallacy.


38 posted on 10/30/2010 10:49:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: llandres; NYer

The Pope’s position is that no one should be killed in war, and that the Jewish people are the people of the covenant. Did you expect him to support one side in a war, when the Vatican did not officially take sides in WWI or WWII?

For more information why do you not ping some of the more informed Catholic Freepers, who certainly could not recognize this subject from the thread title. I will ping one here.


39 posted on 10/30/2010 10:50:19 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Sioux-san

“I am afraid that Bubba, W, and Barry are all cut from the same cloth when it comes to Israel. Who do they all take their marching orders from? Who keeps the money flowing? Whose hand was George holding and who was Barry bowing to?”

I hear you. I pray we CAN resist the New World Order and not “go gently into that good night.” We’ve already put a few delays/obstacles they hadn’t planned on along the way, thus far.

Think we can yet have at least one decent president?


40 posted on 10/30/2010 10:53:54 PM PDT by llandres
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To: Mike Darancette

What does this have to do with the ‘American Spectstor’? The Melkite Catholics have only 1.3 million members in all the world, so he is speaking for, at most, one tenth of one percent of Catholics.


41 posted on 10/30/2010 10:56:28 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: llandres

Pick one. Their actions speak.


42 posted on 10/30/2010 10:58:33 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: llandres

Yes, but not before we go through a world of hurt. If this election goes badly for Barry, I do believe he will call out the dogs of hell and take it to the streets during the next two years. I thought it Petraeus might have been worthy, but obviously I was very wrong about him. Be wary about anyone who looks like the one — we are easily fooled.


43 posted on 10/30/2010 10:58:52 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: eyedigress

‘Paul speaks from prison extensively from this. He Wins’

Paul did not despise the Christians who were not in prison.


44 posted on 10/30/2010 11:01:11 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Thanks, LCS. I’m not Catholic, so there’s much I guess I don’t understand about this. I was just saying that the Pope could, at least, take a stand on the Bible part of it regarding the comments that Christ nullified the old testament and Jews being the chosen people. I agree with an earlier poster that we as Gentiles are saved by God’s grace through his Son - but it’s so wrong to sanction this new dispute over the Bible stating the Jews are the chosen people from the beginning.


45 posted on 10/30/2010 11:04:07 PM PDT by llandres
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Well.

I call for an end to Muslim occupation of Christian, Jewish and Hindu lands, which pretty much leaves the Muslims with nothing much more than the Arabian peninsula.

46 posted on 10/30/2010 11:06:14 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: Sioux-san

I’m not Catholic!


47 posted on 10/30/2010 11:08:25 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: p. henry
I call for an end to Muslim occupation of Christian, Jewish and Hindu lands, which pretty much leaves the Muslims with nothing much more than the Arabian peninsula.

I second that motion. I think you should call a meeting and then not show up!

48 posted on 10/30/2010 11:10:32 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Outlaw Woman

YIKES!


49 posted on 10/30/2010 11:11:34 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Of course not. He had a situation and created a foundation. He had witnessed the truth.


50 posted on 10/30/2010 11:11:49 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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