Skip to comments.Stunning
Posted on 10/30/2010 10:07:47 PM PDT by Sioux-san
The Vatican has called for Israel to end its occupation of "Arab lands," noting that all of what we define currently as Israel is "Arab land."
That the Bible must not be used to justify either their occupation' nor their injustices' against Palestinians.
"The Holy Scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation by Israel of Palestinian lands," Monsignor Cyril Salim Bustros, Greek Melkite archbishop of Our Lady of the Annunciation in Boston, Massachusetts, and president of the "Commission for the Message," said at Saturday's Vatican press conference.
"We Christians cannot speak of the promised land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people - all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."
You've just been witness to a significant event in the End Times unfolding, amigo. The Vatican stating that Israel is "no longer a chosen people".
The Vatican has just nullified the Bible, and elevated Replacement Theology in full public view.
This is .... stunning.
Vatican synod calls for end to Israel's occupation'
Some what say it’s “stuning” as well.
Some would say it’s “stuning” as well.
Give me liberty or give me a stress test.
Did they also call for all church officials to leave Israel and all churches to be converted into mosques?
Someone please tell me that this is not an official Vatican position.
I guess that they don’t take the Bible seriously in Rome.
Why are all the moronic Catholics from Boston..denomination not withstanding?
Did they mingle with the Quacky Quakers in the eighteen century or what?
Please help us?
Can they move to Jordan and join the palis in their real homeland?
Please help us!!
Gosh, that’s a surprise! Here all this time I thought they were right on the money. /sarc
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - [Revelation 13:1-18 KJV]
Seems the Vatican has lost that old Crusader spirit, and also forgotten how the Moslems happen to be in the Jewish and Christian Holy Land in the first place.
This in spite of the fact that it is recorded exactly that way in the Bible. But now why should the Vatican let a little thing like Bible verse get in the way of modern day political correctness and cow-towing terrorists and extremists?
What an utterly idiotic modern-day liberal view: we're all chosen/special/winners... It's all about feel-good self-esteem even if they haven't done anything to merit/earn it. If everyone is chosen, then no-one is chosen. If everyone is a winner, then no-one is, we're all tied for last.
This is not an official Vatican position. It is the statement of a Synod of Catholic Bishops from the Middle East, meeting in the Vatican, at the invitation of the Pope, who did not participate in or control its deliberations or proclaim its results. These Arab Bishops have tended to lean against Israel over the decades, in part for the protection of their flocks.
Calling on readers to clarify for the poster.
Perhaps a Methodist would like to translate?
This must be a joke! Or have the jihadist infilltrated the vatican as well
There is no argument and you should not worry about defending it. The Jewish heritage is the chosen people. The Gentiles are saved by God through his presence and understanding of Satan through Jesus.
How very brave these arab bishops are.
“You’ve just been witness to a significant event in the End Times unfolding, amigo. The Vatican stating that Israel is “no longer a chosen people”.
The Vatican has just nullified the Bible, and elevated Replacement Theology in full public view.
Vatican synod calls for end to Israel’s occupation’”.
It’s beyond stunning. I’m more confounded and shocked every day by the seemingly universal betrayal, and condemnation, of Israel. Do you think it’s because of who occupies our white house, that he’s setting the tone for the rest of the world’s stance?
This is extremely Bad.
REALLY, REALLY wrong move. Someone’s playing with fire...
Pray and receive your answer. It is a lack of basic understanding or faith that drives.
No joke - our own Govt. is complicit in this, too. What other country on earth is treated this way? Israel is a sovereign nation with all the rights and responsibilities that go with such status. How dare the Vatican or George Bush or Barry Soetoro deny its right to exist and to defend itself. My blood is boiling....
A Judenfrei Israel. That's their dream. No one in their right mind still believes in a "two state solution" or "land for peace."
It is easy to be brave with other people’s lives. It is like blaming those in Nazi Death Camps because they didn’t prevent their own exterminations. Christians in the Middle East have been living in a Muslim concentration camp, for 1000 to 1300 years, during which time they went from over 90% to less than 10% of the population.
“It is the statement of a Synod of Catholic Bishops from the Middle East, meeting in the Vatican, at the invitation of the Pope, who did not participate in or control its deliberations or proclaim its results.”
Okay, guess that’s a small comfort. Bht when, then, will the POPE speak on this??? When will he take a stand on something so fundamental?
They want to blame the Jews for their predicament. The Muslims are in the process of forcing all Arab Christians out of their countries. My guess is that this is the reason why the Vatican opposed the war in Iraq. They guessed that the United States would do nothing to protect Christians and that it would stir up the Arab hornet’s nest, which has been growing and growing since the First World War. The formerly Christian state of Lebanon has been destroyed. Within a few years, Christians will be rare everywhere in the Middle East, maybe even in Egypt.
Clinton, George W Bush both were working diligently to bring Israel to its knees -Obama is just making it worse. I remember when Condaleeza Rice was SOS, she said that the new Palestinian country needed to be on contiguous land, which meant further carving up Israel to accomplish that. I am afraid that Bubba, W, and Barry are all cut from the same cloth when it comes to Israel. Who do they all take their marching orders from? Who keeps the money flowing? Whose hand was George holding and who was Barry bowing to? The End Times do seem very near.
Good question. The Pope invites then, then doesn't participate. What's up with that?
Paul speaks from prison extensively from this. He Wins
“How very brave these arab bishops are.”
Nowadays, what’s brave is to be openly Christian and stand up for Israel.
But one can almost see their knees knocking. PLEASE DON’T DESTROY OUR CHURCH! they seem to be begging Syria and Hezbollah.
Blame the Jews.
VATICAN CITY (RNS) A special Vatican meeting on the Middle East ended Saturday (Oct. 23) with a flare-up in Catholic-Jewish tensions, after an American bishop declared the Bible does not give Jews privileged rights to the land of Israel. "There is no longer a chosen people -- all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people." (Archbishop Cyril Bustros, a native of Lebanon who is currently a Melkite Greek Catholic bishop in Newton Mass.)
Cyril Salim Bustros is from Lebanon and has ties to Hizbollah. I’m ashamed of American Spectator.
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Salvation is of the Jews. NOT WAS, IS.
Why would you blame the Jewish culture....... Just blame the fallacy.
The Pope’s position is that no one should be killed in war, and that the Jewish people are the people of the covenant. Did you expect him to support one side in a war, when the Vatican did not officially take sides in WWI or WWII?
For more information why do you not ping some of the more informed Catholic Freepers, who certainly could not recognize this subject from the thread title. I will ping one here.
“I am afraid that Bubba, W, and Barry are all cut from the same cloth when it comes to Israel. Who do they all take their marching orders from? Who keeps the money flowing? Whose hand was George holding and who was Barry bowing to?”
I hear you. I pray we CAN resist the New World Order and not “go gently into that good night.” We’ve already put a few delays/obstacles they hadn’t planned on along the way, thus far.
Think we can yet have at least one decent president?
What does this have to do with the ‘American Spectstor’? The Melkite Catholics have only 1.3 million members in all the world, so he is speaking for, at most, one tenth of one percent of Catholics.
Pick one. Their actions speak.
Yes, but not before we go through a world of hurt. If this election goes badly for Barry, I do believe he will call out the dogs of hell and take it to the streets during the next two years. I thought it Petraeus might have been worthy, but obviously I was very wrong about him. Be wary about anyone who looks like the one — we are easily fooled.
‘Paul speaks from prison extensively from this. He Wins’
Paul did not despise the Christians who were not in prison.
Thanks, LCS. I’m not Catholic, so there’s much I guess I don’t understand about this. I was just saying that the Pope could, at least, take a stand on the Bible part of it regarding the comments that Christ nullified the old testament and Jews being the chosen people. I agree with an earlier poster that we as Gentiles are saved by God’s grace through his Son - but it’s so wrong to sanction this new dispute over the Bible stating the Jews are the chosen people from the beginning.
I call for an end to Muslim occupation of Christian, Jewish and Hindu lands, which pretty much leaves the Muslims with nothing much more than the Arabian peninsula.
I’m not Catholic!
I second that motion. I think you should call a meeting and then not show up!
Of course not. He had a situation and created a foundation. He had witnessed the truth.