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Hard Data Supporting Fraudulent Activity in Nevada Election - ACTION NEEDED
<self> | 11/3/2010 | lexinom and Black_Shark

Posted on 11/03/2010 2:03:15 AM PDT by Lexinom

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To: Lexinom

What happened in the Nevada State House races? State Senate? Assembly?


101 posted on 11/03/2010 3:58:40 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: SeattleBruce

“She said, “I just talked to Senator Reid and I congratulated him” - I guess that’s a concession.”

Didn’t Gore concede then take it back?

102 posted on 11/03/2010 4:16:19 PM PDT by PoplarBluffian (November 2, 2010......,Freedom Day)
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To: Kackikat
I like the tagline.

Well, we've put the information out there for everyone to see so that we have a specific reference point to back up what most believe is a legitimate grievance.

It may, in fact, take a "martyr" in the sense of someone who is willing to run and who will concentrate a significant arsenal of resources otherwise used for campaigning instead upon catching, documenting, and publicizing fraud. Most candidates enter races to win them. This would take someone willing to sacrifice winning, to sacrifice themselves in effect, in the interest of something more systemic.

In this case, the abundance of agreeing polls is in effect hard evidence (multiple agreeing polls within one race off the final result by more than seven points), but polls are not really hard evidence. Someone willing to make the move above, and to go public afterwards, could shake the public confidence in the system, foment dissatisfaction, and ultimately effect reform.

103 posted on 11/03/2010 4:17:10 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: samtheman

They vast majority went the way the most recent polls predicted according to real clear politics.

104 posted on 11/03/2010 4:17:45 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: PghBaldy

shenangigans. probably. reid’s response may include the phrase “ no controlling legal authority “. btw happy to see no election win by mr gore.

105 posted on 11/03/2010 4:19:55 PM PDT by NDpapajoe ("Our Country isn't what it once was" -- --Hopey Changerton 8-2008 speaking to a 7-yr-old little girl)
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To: Lexinom

There may be some action from other politicians later in week, so thanks for heads up.

106 posted on 11/03/2010 4:22:05 PM PDT by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: All
Voter turnout 64.5 percent in Nevada

64.5%... usual turnout around 38%... numbers based, presumably, on ballots counted...


Any other suspicious circumstances, please post/link on this thread to consolidate.

107 posted on 11/03/2010 4:47:46 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

Why don’t we try to make this data go viral? Start cutting and pasting this info. into each and every discussion forum on the web about the elections, especially the lefty sites, politico, cnn, nyt, cbs, etc. We need to delegitimize ried’s win NOW.

108 posted on 11/03/2010 5:05:22 PM PDT by parisa
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To: PoplarBluffian

“Didn’t Gore concede then take it back?”

Yup. There is precedent. However, she’s down by 5 or 6 points (several 10s of thousands of votes) and the SoS in NV claims very little complaint of vote fraud...

I guess we should just slink off an ignore the Harrah’s issue, the bussing in of employees, the voting machine issues, the power outage and who knows what all else!?

109 posted on 11/03/2010 5:27:21 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (Yesterday we voted-TODAY we fight against vote fraud! Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chron. 7:14!)
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To: parisa
That's why I put it out. It's just a comparison of publicly-available information. It's just presented here in a comparative light. Please do your part to help this info go viral! :-)

What I'd like to do, or would like help with, is a comparison of the total number of votes in Nevada statewide office. I would be interested to know what the curve looks like. Was there a statistically-significant spike in votes for only senator versus governor versus other statewide offices versus measures/propositions/initiatives? The answer would be rather intriguing.

110 posted on 11/03/2010 5:44:08 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

But your evidence is only in polling. Look at the voting in NV by county. It also points to possible voter fraud.

Reid only wins big in Clark County. 54% to 41%.

He is shellacked in every other county but two, in which he narrowly wins.

While I know the population is strongest by far in Clark, that’s not what I am noticing. I am noticing that his win was so far out of proportion, it would be as if Las Vegas and environs are FILLED with Reid lovers, while everyone else in the state hates him. I just think it’s strange.

111 posted on 11/04/2010 2:08:52 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Hope no one minds me commenting ...

I live in Las Vegas, NV, I voted for Sharron Angle, and I understand your frustration. However the variance between telephone polls of likely voters and the actual Election Day results is not, in and of itself, hard evidence of election fraud.

I'm gonna throw out some facts and an alternative theory, and I genuinely hope you give it some thought.

Telephone surveys of likely voters conducted during the week of early voting showed the Senate Majority Leader, a long time friend of the SEIU, the Culinary, and the teachers’ unions in a statistical tie with a staunchly anti-union Bircher who has never held statewide office.

Friends, that's enough to put the unions in panic mode.

Reid and his allies spent millions of dollars for thousands of paid campaign workers to knock on doors. Meanwhile, Angle spent millions of dollars on high-priced D.C. consultants.

Reid's paid campaign workers ID’d the voters who would vote for their guy weeks before the voting started. Angle's team did not.

Reid's paid campaign workers were canvassing door to door every single day, from before the primary right up to Election Day. The AFL-CIO had a girl on my doorstep in July, as a matter of fact. I never saw a single Angle canvasser. Ever. She relied on mailers instead.

Reid's paid campaign workers were on autodialer phone banks from 8am to 8pm, non-stop, from the beginning of early voting all the way through Election Day. They kept calling until they contacted every voter they had ID’d, and they said anything and everything to get that voter into the booth. Angle had some volunteers on the phone, cold-calling Rs on the registered voter list.

During the 10 days of early voting, the Ds and the unions went all out with every old-school, machine politics trick they could legally use: Free food, free rides to the polls, gift cards, you name it. Some of it was close to vote buying, most of it was not. Either way it doesn't matter because no one produced evidence of anything illegal. Where was Team Angle during all of this? I honestly don't know.

Oh wait. Yeah I do. Her campaign was b1tching about it all being so unfair.

When the Secretary of State reviewed her evidence-free complaint and essentially told her to STFU, Team Angle decided to float the ridiculous allegation that Reid's name was preselected on the Sequoia voting machines. Then some jackhole thought it would be a good idea to lay the blame on the union representing the Clark County employees.

Just between friends, I don't honestly think Reid's name was pre-selected on any voting machine. Worse, the union representing the Clark County employees just happens to represent TENS OF THOUSANDS of hotel workers, health care workers, government workers ... you name it. A third of the freakin’ state.

Simply put, trotting that nonsense out in the middle of early voting was a PR disaster. People don't care much for candidates that toss around unsubstantiated charges of vote fraud, especially against a 40 year veteran politician who's built a brand as Mr. Clean.

Anyhoo, once you go out of your way to make it personal like that, there is no way in hell the SEIU, the Culinary, the Teachers, or those thousands of paid campaign workers are gonna let their boy lose. No way. In hell.

On Election Day, the Reid campaign and their union allies put a ground game into play that can only be described as “shock and awe.”

The unions know where you work. They know where you live. They check the Registrar of Voters and they know who has voted and who hasn't. When the sun came up on Election Day, there was a fleet of buses staged in the parking lot at Larry's Villa, not far from the Strip and the Downtown hotels. That fleet was running from before the polls opened till well after they closed, taking people from work to go vote, then dropping them off back at their cars or at their homes when they were done.

I'd be willing to venture that a lot of those voters they delivered are not “likely voters” in the telephone surveys.

Another minor detail: A fifth of those voters are Latino. Legal immigrants who were registered to vote the day they joined the union.

And that's another factor in play. See, the ground game was only part of the reason Reid won. The 800 lb gorilla in the room, the fact that everyone chooses to ignore, is our Bircher candidate, Sharron Angle, decided to make an enemy out of the entire Latino community.

She ran a stupid commercial portraying Latino immigrants as criminals. She then compounded the error two weeks ago by going to a high school Hispanic Club and inexplicably joking with the kids in defense of her racist anti-immigrant ad, saying “Are you sure you're Hispanic? Some of you look Asian to me.”

I understand the point she was trying to make, however in todays age of cellphone video recorders and YouTube, that was one goddamned stupid comment.

Apologies if the truth offends.

If there was an ounce of sense in the Angle campaign, they might have noticed a Hispanic R running for governor and kept their race-baiting anti-immigrant ads in the can. Instead, they gave Univision, Telemundo, and every Spanish radio station in town reason to label Sharron Angle as a racist 24/7 for the last 2 weeks.

I cannot emphasize this point enough.

If it was massive vote fraud, as the Angle camp has suggested, how is it Republican Brian Sandoval pulled off a big win, beating Harry's son, Rory, in the Governor's race by 12 points?

Twelve points.

Meanwhile, exit polls show that 90% of the Latino vote went for Harry. In other words, quite a few of those Latino voters split the ticket, voting Sandoval (R) for Governor, and Reid (D) for Senate.

Quite a trick, when you think of it.

I think anyone who honestly reviews the tabs on those surveys will find that Latino voters were under-represented, and no one took into account the intense personal dislike Sharron Angle cultivated among Hispanics in the final weeks of the campaign.

One final point, and this is where she lost the undecideds: Angle decided to play hide-and-seek with the media. She refused to give press conferences, ever, and was actually videotaped running from the TV reporters the last day of early voting. After that incident, whatever possessed her to announce that she was banning 2 Las Vegas TV stations from election night coverage at her headquarters is truly beyond me.

Yeah, I understand she got ambushed paparazzi-style at McCarran, but that is simply not a legitimate reason to freeze out the TV news. Every time those two stations mentioned the Senate race, which was every single news broadcast 5, 6, and 11, they pointed out that Sharron Angle was avoiding them and wouldn't answer their questions.

Not. Really. Smart.

Bottom line: Clark County delivered Harry a 40,000 vote margin for the win. The guy won fair and square. Reid is old, he's an azzhole, and somehow he's been able to amass a fortune while serving in the Senate, but Harry is a known brand. He had a better ground game and his opponent imploded at the 11th hour.

The fact Sharron Angle came as close as she did is, IMO, a freakin miracle.

Sorry for being long-winded, but I live in Nevada, I voted for Angle, and that's the way I saw it.

Hit me on twitter @brookedunne

112 posted on 11/04/2010 7:11:20 AM PDT by Brooke Dunne
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To: Lexinom

Adding links....

113 posted on 11/04/2010 2:02:06 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: Brooke Dunne
Thanks for your on-the-ground perspective. It is appreciated. I'm wondering, though, why with all the errors you point out this would not be reflected in the polling. Surely Latinos have telephones too, no?

I also appreciate your vents about Sharron Angle and how she could have better handled the press. Leaving aside debate about the candidate herself and her conduct... I am not so sure (to put it mildly) that these factors would not appear in polled voters' opinions, esp. with the preponderance of other races' polling-to-results ratios as given. Statistically, this race is clearly an outlier. Reasonable probability of one or two polls being off? Understandable. But all of them? That's like winning the jackpot several times in succession.

From Time, "A TIME/CNN/Opinion Research poll last week found Reid trailing Angle among likely voters, 45% to her 49%, just outside the margin of error, with independent candidate Scott Ashjian pulling in 2%. Strikingly, those poll numbers are reversed among registered voters — 43% for Reid, 39% for Angle and 5% for Ashjian — which means Reid's success depends on turning out his supporters."

That's one motherload of a turnout of registered voters to swing the election that far in Reid's favor, again stretching the bounds of credulity on the legitimacy of this result.

114 posted on 11/04/2010 2:45:00 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: FreedomProtector
And more:

Voter turnout 64.5 percent in Nevada

Historically, voter turnout is 30%, high-end 45%. Probabilities, probabilities...

115 posted on 11/04/2010 3:11:12 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

Check the tabs on the Time/CNN poll. Harry carried the under 35 demographic, and that group was underrepresented.

Regarding the issues with the polling, there’s a good article in today’s Las Vegas Sun

Again, I cannot emphasize this enough. The polls excluded cell phones, underrepresented Latinos, and filtered likely voters.

The majority of us under 35 in Las Vegas don’t have land lines, we only use cells. Latinos are hesitant to respond to political surveys. Finally, the union GOTV reached 200,000 registered voters, many of whom would not be considered “likely.”

Leaving aside the debate about the candidate, the issues with the local news stations in Las Vegas occurred on 10/29 AFTER all but the Rasmussen & PPP polls.

This incident, occurring the final weekend before the election, was the dealbreaker.

I could be wrong, but a good indicator that something went sideways for Angle individually is the results from Washoe County, her home turf. Dean Heller (R-CD2) carried Washoe County with 80,000 votes and won his race. Angle only pulled 63,000. Again, more evidence of ticket splitting as opposed to fraud.—leader-106674698.html

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions; however, I think a reasonable person would look at all of the facts and conclude Angle got beat by her own negatives and a better organized campaign.

116 posted on 11/04/2010 11:12:58 PM PDT by Brooke Dunne
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To: Lexinom

Did you see this link to your post?

117 posted on 11/05/2010 9:24:37 AM PDT by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: Lexinom

Did you see this news story link to your post?

118 posted on 11/05/2010 9:25:01 AM PDT by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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Sure did! :)

119 posted on 11/05/2010 10:25:52 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Brooke Dunne
The cell phone issue makes sense. Anecdotally I know many people who are cell-only. Current polling mechanisms are rather dated - conventional phone and mail-in, essentially 1970s-era technology.

The "enlightened" youngsters would not then be represented.

To support this theory, however... I wonder if it is the case that an unusually high number of people in NV have no representation. And I'm wondering why the Republican for governor received 60,000 more votes than Angle. I'm also wondering why the senate race received 18,131 more votes than the race for governor. I can understand a large block not voting on an obscure and highly obfuscated state measure, but usually those voting for one high-profile office en masse would vote for the other ones as well.

Just questions.

120 posted on 11/05/2010 10:31:00 AM PDT by Lexinom
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