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Two more states vote to nullify healthcare reform (amend State Constitutions)
http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2010/11/two-more-states-vote-to-nullify-healthcare-reform.html ^

Posted on 11/03/2010 2:03:07 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Voters in Arizona and Oklahoma amended their state constitutions Tuesday with "healthcare freedom" measures designed to block the new federal mandate on individuals and some employers to buy health insurance. Voters in Colorado went the other way, defeating a similar initiative. The measures purport to give state residents the right not to participate in any healthcare system without penalty and to have access to any legal medical services they can afford.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; arizona; obama; obamacare; oklahoma; statesrights
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1 posted on 11/03/2010 2:03:14 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA
But does that help those who worked at hospitals that are now getting laid-off?
That is the one thing I did not hear during this election. "how many out there that work in a hospital have LOST their job due to obamacare?"
2 posted on 11/03/2010 2:07:08 PM PDT by Paul46360
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To: Red in Blue PA

Oklahoma’s (demorat) AG declined to join the suit against Obamacare. Republican AG was elected last night with the commitment, among other things, to oppose every federal act that violates the Tenth Amendment and is contrary to federalism. I have an appointment with him next week to discuss entitlements and unfunded mandates. I am sure we will have a very broad, robust discussion. I believe that he has committed to allocate one of the assistant AGs to the federalism issues.

Gwjack


3 posted on 11/03/2010 2:09:43 PM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

4 posted on 11/03/2010 2:09:55 PM PDT by facedodge (Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. ~Friedman)
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To: All

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5 posted on 11/03/2010 2:13:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The important thing to remember is that the mandate is vital to the health care plan. Without it, you can pay NOTHING, wait till you get sick, and buy insurance which cannot deny anyone. This is similar to the buying across state lines argument. NY health insurance laws would be worthless if you could buy across state lines. There would be only ludicrous insurance policies available by NY insurance companies left, rendering the whole thing pointless.


6 posted on 11/03/2010 2:13:55 PM PDT by facedodge (Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. ~Friedman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

CO remains a gross disappointment.

The pubs need to fight a lot harder there to overcome Soros’s “Colorado project.”


7 posted on 11/03/2010 2:13:55 PM PDT by chilltherats (He was born with a roaring voice, and it had the trick of inflaming half-wits against their betters)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Do states even have a say in these kind of things at all anymore ? The Federal govt can just force the states to accept the healthcare reform and bring it to the courts and interpret the Ammendments to the Constitution as allowing Federal govt to tell states what to do.


8 posted on 11/03/2010 2:21:57 PM PDT by emax
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To: chilltherats

It was not the conservative voters of Colorado Springs but loons in the socialist cooperative of Denver, Boulder, and Aspen, who voted this down. Also, too many California Carpetbaggers been coming to the state fleeing high taxes but bringing their progressive madness.


9 posted on 11/03/2010 2:28:46 PM PDT by Liaison
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To: chilltherats

RE: CO remains a gross disappointment.


Thousands and thousands of former Californians have called and are still calling Colorado their new home for the past 5 to 10 years.

They have brought the California government dependency mentality with them.

Beware Texas, Arizona and other states.... as California inches towards bankruptcy, you will increasingly find a lot of these transplants moving to your states.


10 posted on 11/03/2010 2:30:25 PM PDT by WebFocus
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To: facedodge
I'm a callin' you out, vermint
11 posted on 11/03/2010 2:32:12 PM PDT by F. dAnconia (We say: "It is, therefore, I want it. They say: "I want it, therefore it is")
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To: WebFocus

Like a bunch of virii leaving a lysed cell, looking for new hosts to occupy, overtake, and destroy.


12 posted on 11/03/2010 2:39:46 PM PDT by DesertConservative
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To: Red in Blue PA

State law does trump federal law when the federal law is unconstitutional and that is one of the point’s of this legislation.
It would also appear to me that some aspects of the Stimulus bill are unconstitutional. According to Dr. David Janda, the federal government will impose penalties on physicians that fail to follow government treatment protocols. This means that the federal government would be usurping the state’s role in discipling physicians through state medical boards and the licensing process. Remember, the Stimulus bill also has dangerous provisions such as the rationing board-”comparative effectiveness research” council which will set up treatment protocols.
We should consider state legislation that protects citizens from this legislation. We should also contact out state AGs to see if we can get a case going against these horrible provisions as we did with 0bamacare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ


13 posted on 11/03/2010 2:47:57 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ok also added voter I.D. to actually vote...........


14 posted on 11/03/2010 2:49:23 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The IRS thinks I'm made of money.............)
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To: WebFocus

I support a federal law requiring anyone leaving California to emigrate to France. They can’t hurt France, and it would protect the surrounding states from the virus of California.


15 posted on 11/03/2010 2:50:52 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When an ass brays, don't reply)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m here in Wisconsin. Scott Walker, governor elect said, on his first day in office, he’s calling an emergency legislative session to roll back taxes. He’s second priority, on that same day, is walking a letter over to our Attorney General authorizing him to join the health care lawsuit. Sweet! Wisconsin is RED!

We’ve been fighting back Dane (Madison) and Milwaukee counties for years, we finally beat them back. It’s a fabulous day in Wisconsin, all our candidates are conservative, and the WON! Except for one CD seat and the secretary of state. We have control of everything with not only Republicans, but CONSERVATIVES! Keep your eyes on Wisconsin. We’ve been aching for this for years.

As a side note, the libs in Madison are mourning today. LOL!


16 posted on 11/03/2010 2:52:50 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Paul46360

The Constitutional amendments were not intended to help those laid-off by Obamacare. The intent is to exempt state citizens and businesses from the ObamaCare mandate to buy health insurance or be fined.


17 posted on 11/03/2010 2:58:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: emax
Do states even have a say in these kind of things at all anymore ? The Federal govt can just force the states to accept the healthcare reform and bring it to the courts and interpret the Ammendments to the Constitution as allowing Federal govt to tell states what to do.

22 states AGs and the state of VA have filed suits against the USG saying that the mandate is unconstitutional. The cases are working their way thru the courts.

18 posted on 11/03/2010 3:01:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: DesertConservative

-——a bunch of virii -—

hmmm


19 posted on 11/03/2010 3:06:43 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s time to ramp up the conservative message even more across the nation. If Red states like WI. and others can succeed and contrast with liberal hellholes maybe more Americans can be converted from liberalism.


20 posted on 11/03/2010 3:16:58 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Red in Blue PA

We ‘had’ the best medical care system in the world.

The real things that needed ‘fixing’ were Federal interference and Federal theft of the funds to pay other bills.

Health care is just like any other business. The less the government interferes, the better the service will be.


21 posted on 11/03/2010 3:21:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Liaison

Not to mention Ft. Collins and Pueblo!


22 posted on 11/03/2010 3:21:52 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Better build a fence along the Michigan border! LOL


23 posted on 11/03/2010 3:24:17 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: Liaison

Aspen is a big resort area where the rich have their second homes. Many Hollywood people have second homes in these ski resort areas, we know how many of them are foaming-at-the-mouth moonbats who would probably think nothing of cheating by voting in two states. Who knows they could even vote three or four times as some of them may have more than two houses. This situation reminds me of Florida where there have been allegations about northern “snow birds” who have a home up north and a winter home in Florida, actually voting at both addresses. We have seen, time and again that many liberals have no sense of fair play and the ends justifies the means.


24 posted on 11/03/2010 3:35:44 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Mr Rogers

I wonder if it would be constitutional for other states to require those immigrating from California to be a resident in the state for four years before they could vote in state or federal elections.


25 posted on 11/03/2010 3:38:59 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: CIDKauf

It’s better than that, we have Lake Michigan along the lower peninsula. Although Michigan is 40-60 miles away, as the crow flies, it take 8-10 hours to drive to Detroit. We don’t have to worry about the UP, they’re conservative and for the most part, forgotten by their state. The UP is ripe for a conservative movement, more so than the free staters movement out east.

It’s a glorious day here in Wisconsin!


26 posted on 11/03/2010 4:10:10 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Liaison

Here in Wisconsin, we’ve been battling Milwaukee and Madison for years. Finally, finally! We broke through. Don’t give up! It took us years and years to break the liberal back.

In our senate it’s a 4 seat majority, and a 20+ seats in our house. Yesterday, it was almost the opposite. We’ve been fighting for years and years and years. Even when Tommy Thompson was gov, there wasn’t this kind of majority.

To add the cherry, we just elected a conservative to the gov. Keep on fighting the battle. You can do it. We used to look up to Colorado as an example just a few short years ago, you can restore it!


27 posted on 11/03/2010 4:18:03 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: tflabo
Election analysis showed that the states of Washington and California have a geographical divide with the eastern parts voting conservative and the western parts voting liberal. Hopefully the conservatives will have a real strong get out the vote campaign next time. Republicans should play up the needs of the people in the conservative parts of the states so that they have a sense of themselves as being eastern Californians or eastern Washingtonians etc. Republicans need to create awareness of the needs of the people of the conservative areas as a way to get people motivated to get out and vote.

Churches should have get-out-the-vote campaigns. Clergy should encourage their congregation to vote their conscience and they could organize their people to call their families and friends to vote. They don't have to mention which party to vote for, they only need to encourage people to vote. Imagine if each congregant or parishioner called up five people to encourage them to vote.

28 posted on 11/03/2010 4:19:32 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Indy Pendance

The liberal urban areas have a large population of government workers, college liberals plus the unions. Those three groups are well organized and politicized.


29 posted on 11/03/2010 4:24:41 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Paul46360

I have (temporarily) affordable insurance. I’m self employed and carry a $5K deductible policy that works pretty well. BC/BS has notified me that starting 1/1/11 I get all kinds of new mandated coverage. I haven’t received my notice of premium increase to pay for all of these goodies I neither want nor need. But this letter was telling me to be ready for the big one. A customer of mine told me this morning he was just informed his premiums were increasing 100% as of 1/1/11.

Everyone here should be cognizant of the fact that even if the mandate to buy insurance is killed, it will do nothing to stop these premium increases. I still will have to give up my insurance. If I am lucky, I just won’t have to pay huge fines to the government for being screwed out of my insurance. But I will still be without insurance.

And neither will many of you.

With ObamaCare, we kill the whole thing, or we lose the game. There is NO middle ground. Win or lose, NO ties.


30 posted on 11/03/2010 4:27:32 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: cradle of freedom

We need to break those associations. Let’s keep advancing our agenda, and it will eventually happen.


31 posted on 11/03/2010 4:30:45 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Red in Blue PA

~bump~


32 posted on 11/03/2010 5:01:50 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: kabar

-— 22 states AGs and the state of VA have filed suits against the USG saying that the mandate is unconstitutional. The cases are working their way thru the courts. -—

While there is nothing wrong per se with taking on the federal government in the federal courts... THIS kind of effort to resist unconstitutional federal mandates misses the point of nullification. By going this route, the States are still trying to use an arm of the federal government to undue a usurpation of power by the federal government, which gives credence to the erroneous assumption that the federal government can legitimately serve as the arbiter (or even worse the exclusive arbiter) of the extent of the powers of ITSELF as defined by the Constitution in relation to the States. Nowhere in the Constitution was the federal government (including the Supreme Court) empowered to serve as the judge (much less the exclusive judge) of the constitutionality of federal actions... which means by its omission that the power to judge over the constitutionality of federal actions is “reserved to the States or to the people” per the 10th Amendment.

The better route, as suggested by no less statesmen than Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, is for the States to bypass the courts entirely and just unilaterally declare the federal mandates null and void either through legislation or amendments to their State constitutions. This is how many of the States have already engaged in nullification with their health care freedom/firearms freedom bills and referendums that we’ve seen over the last two years.

Kudos to these two States for standing up for their sovereignty. As it’s very unlikely that the federal government will ever willingly give back to the States the powers that it has illegally stolen over the last two centuries, simple State nullification may indeed be our best long-term strategy to systematically dismantle the 75% of the federal government that exists unconstitutionally.


33 posted on 11/03/2010 5:23:40 PM PDT by beanshirts
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To: Red in Blue PA
But does that help those who worked at hospitals that are now getting laid-off?
That is the one thing I did not hear during this election. "how many out there that work in a hospital have LOST their job due to obamacare?"
34 posted on 11/03/2010 5:41:28 PM PDT by Paul46360
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To: Red in Blue PA

As soon as our NEW conservative governor is sworn in, on that day, he’s walking a repeal letter over to our AG, Wisconsin will be in the fight.


35 posted on 11/03/2010 5:58:02 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I'm in Dane County. One of my friends posted this on her FB wall, and I think it's worth repeating: "Is thinking of Romans 12:15. I have dear friends all over the political spectrum. Some of us have been grieving, now we rejoice. For others, it is the opposite. Rejoicers, remember when you grieved. Those who grieve, remember when you rejoiced. What seems like a long tenure to us isn't even a blink when viewed from God's eternity. He is high and lifted up, and that matters much more than anything else."

And, yes, she and I are REJOICING.

36 posted on 11/03/2010 6:15:02 PM PDT by knittnmom (Congrats to Walker, Johnson et al in WI)
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To: beanshirts

Nullification is the last resort, not the first choice. I actually favor it if SCOTUS rules against us. ObamaCare adds 16 million to the Medicaid rolls. The states must pick up half the costs. It is an unfunded mandate.


37 posted on 11/03/2010 7:04:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Red in Blue PA

And, our Florida Supreme Court had our nulification amendment removed from the ballot! Yet, the uninformed, ignorant voters, yesterday, approved returning them to the Bench.


38 posted on 11/03/2010 7:06:09 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Red in Blue PA

sfl


39 posted on 11/03/2010 7:29:15 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: Mr Rogers

Snicker


40 posted on 11/03/2010 7:46:35 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: cradle of freedom

Here’s a few of the Hollywood people who financed BOXER:

(Can they also vote in your state if resident?)

Sally Field
Robbin WIlliams
Steven Spielberg
Nancy Senatra
Barbara Striesand
Kevin Kline
Julia Dryfess

Financed BROWN:

George Lucas
Warrren Betty
Annette Bening
Tom Hanks
Kirk Douglas
Hugh Hefner

Just interesting to see how entrenched Hollywood is in the elections.


41 posted on 11/03/2010 10:18:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: cradle of freedom

Here’s a few of the Hollywood people who financed BOXER:

(Can they also vote in your state if resident?)

Sally Field
Robbin WIlliams
Steven Spielberg
Nancy Senatra
Barbara Striesand
Kevin Kline
Julia Dryfess

Financed BROWN:

George Lucas
Warrren Betty
Annette Bening
Tom Hanks
Kirk Douglas
Hugh Hefner

Just interesting to see how entrenched Hollywood is in the elections.


42 posted on 11/03/2010 10:19:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: chilltherats

The place is filling up with Californians. They vote the same way they did in the state they fled from. Works the same way in North Carolina, except the carpetbaggers are from high tax states like New Jersdey, New York and Massachusettts, . They figure to get the same public services for lower taxes, and don’t mind voting for higher taxes, just so they are less than those in the Northeast. Ditto, New Hampshire sand Maine. This is mainly the liberal” gentry”that Michael Barone is talking about.


43 posted on 11/03/2010 10:33:37 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

The situation you described will continue to compount itself. We’re in CA, trying hard to get out. We won’t be choosing another blue state, which CO now is, that’s for sure. We want to get as far away from those people as we can. If that’s an example, then conservative Californians will not be coming to CO, thus not providing a counter-balance to the lefties moving there from here.


44 posted on 11/03/2010 11:25:38 PM PDT by chilltherats (He was born with a roaring voice, and it had the trick of inflaming half-wits against their betters)
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To: Paul46360
I'm losing my hospital job in 10 days. Worked for 7 years at a Phoenix hospital doing transcription. Our whole department (30+) is being laid off so they can send our jobs to India. Between the EMR mandate and having to pay for all the illegals using the ER like an urgent care, the hospital had to cut costs somewhere.

Mrs. Prince of Space

45 posted on 11/04/2010 12:31:20 AM PDT by Prince of Space
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To: Indy Pendance

I was delighted to see that Ron Johnson won the Senate seat and great conservative American. Congratulations!

I was still living in California in 2008 and it broke my heart to see Indiana go blue presidentially - but when I looked at the map - it was all red except for Gary (so. of Chicago) and a little part west of Indianapolis.

Sometimes you just can’t fix stupid.

Anyway, it was much better this year - with some blue outposts remaining.

One of the many reasons I moved back to Indiana was CA’s liberal and godless policies (and politicians).


46 posted on 11/04/2010 4:07:24 AM PDT by bethtopaz ( www.rapturealert.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The measures purport to give state residents the right not to participate in any healthcare system without penalty and to have access to any legal medical services they can afford.

Wow, the voters of Colorado voted not to give themselves a right they already possessed. I'm stunned.

47 posted on 11/04/2010 6:41:09 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Voters in Arizona and Oklahoma amended their state constitutions Tuesday with “healthcare freedom” measures designed to block the new federal mandate on individuals and some employers to buy health insurance.”

That is a good beginning, let us hope that the voters in Colorado will come to their senses.


48 posted on 11/04/2010 9:41:45 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: Red in Blue PA

Now that Kansas has dumped it’s demoncrap Atty General, we should soon be joining the fight.


49 posted on 11/04/2010 9:56:04 AM PDT by crosshairs (Guns have two enemies: Rust and Politicians)
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To: chilltherats

CO, like NV, are being invaded by liberals running from Cal. Problem is, they bring the same mind of things with them there and then start trashing the place they moved too get away from with the same ideas that they ran away from the other states too begin with. NC, SC, and FL are in the same boat. GA, mainly around Atlanta and southwest bottom side of GA, are dim voters. Really stunning because Columbus is a military town full of military retirees, yet they seem to vote dim heavy down there. Strange.


50 posted on 11/04/2010 10:05:56 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I cannot wait until Christ returns in the clouds and calls up the church. Hopefully, SOON!)
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