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The First War of the Next Congress: The Debt Ceiling
The Atlantic via Yahoo Finance ^ | 4th November , 2010 | Derek Thompson, contributor

Posted on 11/04/2010 10:37:28 AM PDT by Candor7

What message did voters send on Tuesday? .......

The GOP needs to do something that demonstrates measurable success in cutting spending. At minimum, it must prevent an increase in taxes -- for anybody. In general, they'll want to put a break to administrative activities. Block the appropriation process.....

Clamp down on implementation of Obamacare, and EPA rule making. Perhaps the Department of Labor deserves some scrutiny. Obamacare is the headliner, but how would you defund it? The popular insurance regulations rely on the mandate. The mandate relies on funding. You kill the funding, and you kill the popular regulations. They have to tackle the day to day process that goes on inside HHS and Treasury and other agencies to implement various parts of the new law as it comes on line in the next few years. You want to repeal Obamacare, one month at a time, not letting funds be appropriated. Republicans have won both the House and many state legislatures. Work with the states setting up these exchanges, and stop the funding. Will Republicans support the deficit commission's recommendations? Not if it has tax increases in it. .......

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debtceiling; defunding; mandate; tax
The left are already saying there is no mandate for change, and seek to blunt the conservative movement by saying compromise is necessary. Nothing could be further from the truth.The election was a repudiation of Obamas socialist ideology and spending.

We now need to make sure the progressives in the House do their promised work, if not, Marsha Blackburn, Jack Ryan, or Darryl Issa should be the speaker istead of Boehner.

WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!

1 posted on 11/04/2010 10:37:39 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: Candor7
Spending

Put back in the Bush tax cuts set to expire

Dump ObamaCare

Trash the homos in military actions

A few starter points in my book.

2 posted on 11/04/2010 10:40:24 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I cannot wait until Christ returns in the clouds and calls up the church. Hopefully, SOON!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Secure the border would be a huge winner and should be among the GOP’s top agenda items.


3 posted on 11/04/2010 10:44:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Candor7

“...demonstrate measurable success in cutting spending”...I bet it ends up like usual. They will want to cut all the democrats spending, the democrats will fight back, hardly anything will get done and all of a sudden it’ll be 2012 and everyone will be promising anything to everybody, to get elected.


4 posted on 11/04/2010 10:46:15 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Candor7

They need to draw a line in the sand - NOT ONE MORE DAMNED DIME OF DEBT, PERIOD - and see who wants to cross it.


5 posted on 11/04/2010 10:47:15 AM PDT by nesnah
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To: RetiredArmy

6 posted on 11/04/2010 10:47:17 AM PDT by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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To: Candor7
On Tuesday night, Lawrence O'Donnell went ballistic over the possibility that Rand Paul might refuse to raise the debt ceiling. (It would destroy the world economy.)

Republicans NEED to refuse to raise this. We have a spending problem. Cut the spending. If you're going to cut the spending, you don't need to raise the debt ceiling. Thsi should not even be open to debate.

7 posted on 11/04/2010 10:47:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Candor7

I’m thinkin’ that the Tea Party needs to hold a rally on January 3, 2011 on the Capitol steps to remind them, right at the start, that their collective butts are on the line. They’d better come through.

No more taxes. No more bailouts. No more socialism. No more RINOs.


8 posted on 11/04/2010 10:52:30 AM PDT by StonyMan451
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To: ClearCase_guy

The debt ceiling will have to be raised just to operate the government. The entitlement programs and the debt servicing costs consume all of the collected tax revenue. Everything else is funded by borrowing including Defense. 43 cents of every federal dollar spent is borrowed.


9 posted on 11/04/2010 10:55:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ClearCase_guy

>>On Tuesday night, Lawrence O’Donnell went ballistic over the possibility that Rand Paul might refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

I remember seeing that and just HOPING Senator-elect Paul would do it. The democrats are never going to grow up and act fiscally responsible. Somebody needs to cut up the credit cards before the socialists spend us into oblivion.


10 posted on 11/04/2010 10:58:13 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: kabar

Oh, yes. That also. Heck I could have filled up the page with stuff. Just tossed in a quick three there!


11 posted on 11/04/2010 11:00:11 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Read, learn, know: 1 Cor 15: 1-4; THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!)
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To: Candor7

The GOP House should pass a bill to kill BarryCare. Then they should refuse to fund it. I think they need to offer a health care bill that replaces BarryCare with the few popular provisions — coverage of pre-existing conditions, coverage of college-aged children on parents’ plans — and go on an intense media blitz so that everyone hears that the few good parts of the bill (and there are indeed very few) will be preserved. Make it clear that the only reason to support BarryCare is a desire to see a government takeover of our economy’s health care sector.


12 posted on 11/04/2010 11:03:29 AM PDT by skookum55 ("We can give up on America or we can give up on this president ...." D. D'Souza)
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To: Candor7; All
Two questions, please:

What is the date by which this has to be passed? Also, the last time it was done, did any Pubbies' vote for it? Anyone have the roll call?

13 posted on 11/04/2010 11:05:13 AM PDT by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: kabar
The debt ceiling will have to be raised just to operate the government.

I cannot tell you how much I don't care.

Kill it. Kill it. We cannot get out of debt by increasing the size of our debt. We are going in the wrong direction, and we cannot reverse course by reducing the speed at which we go in the wrong direction.

I want cuts. I want reduction in debt. I will not support politicians who disagree.

14 posted on 11/04/2010 11:07:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Candor7

The other spending battle is to bail out California.


15 posted on 11/04/2010 11:13:25 AM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: ClearCase_guy
I cannot tell you how much I don't care.

You don't live in the real world. Exactly what would you stop funding? DOD? SS? Medicare? Medicaid? Not paying debt servicing costs?

I agree we need to cut spending including entitlement reform. But it has to be phased in. You just can't shut down the government cold turkey. What about our troops in combat? 54 million SS retirees, one third of whom depend entirely on SS for their income. 48 million on Medicare and 60 million on Medicaid. 43 million on food stamps.

16 posted on 11/04/2010 11:14:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
You just can't shut down the government cold turkey.

It's what I want. Frankly, I'm not reasonable on this topic.

But allow me to be slightly less rabid -- In a Middle Eastern bazaar, if you try to sell me a rug for $10, I will offer $5. You will request $8, and I will offer $7. Eventually I walk away with a rug, and you walk away with $7.50.

In our system, The Democrats request $1T, and the Republicans suggest $1.1T. The Democrats respond with a demand for $1.2T and eventually the country pays $1.5T.

We're not going to ever get ANY budget cuts unless we shut down the government. Not permanantly, but enough to cause riots. That's what I want.

17 posted on 11/04/2010 11:21:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Candor7
they should start lopping off whole agencies and departments. there was a good list started here a short while back. beyond that there probably isn't a single federal bureaucracy that doesn't waste at least 30% of its budget.
18 posted on 11/04/2010 11:28:37 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
they should start lopping off whole agencies and departments.

Before they do that, they should have a very public congressional hearing with each agency and department head explaining why they are essential to the workings of the government, given that we are in such a big mess. Then, have a rebuttal from a group like the Tea party saying, "No more of our tax dollars for you."

19 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:23 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ClearCase_guy
We're not going to ever get ANY budget cuts unless we shut down the government. Not permanantly, but enough to cause riots. That's what I want.

Shutting down the government is counterproductive. We tried that once. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

43 cents of every federal dollar spent is borrowed. If we don't raise the debt limit, we will effectively shut down the government. Tens of millions of people will be hurt. If you think that will garner more public support for our position, you are crazy. In any event, it won't happen.

The Debt to the Penny and Who Holds It

20 posted on 11/04/2010 11:43:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kosciusko51
they should also justify their existence under the constitution. an agency may serve some useful purpose but that shouldn't be the determinant for what gov’t does or doesn’t do.
21 posted on 11/04/2010 11:46:38 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
I thought about that. Many of these agencies are created by laws that need to be defended by congress and not the agency heads. Perhaps the laws that created them should be debated and repealed because of no constitutional basis.

Anyhow, I would like to see all the bureaucrats be required to explain why their jobs are necessary. Make them squirm for once.

22 posted on 11/04/2010 11:53:51 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kabar
Reagan won the Cold War by building missiles. He went toe-to-toe with Gorbachev, rather than showing fear the way other presidents had. Reagan won the war without a shot -- although many people thought it was madness.

Look, on a political spectrum of extreme rightwing craziness to extreme leftwing craziness, if I take a position of dead-in-the-center-perfect-reasonableness and then negotiate with an extreme leftwing crazy, I know which way that conversation is going to go. It will drift to the Left. We've been doing that for decades. Our country is a right-of-center country, but our government is basically a socialist government. That's because Republicans start from a moderate position, and then negotiate with extreme Leftwing crazies.

I want to deliberately take a crazy rightwing position and start from there, and I think it's worth it. Gingrich blew it in 1995, because he blinked. Reagan won the Cold War because he made the other guy blink.

I'm not reasonable on the issue. I think being reasonable on this issue is stupid.

23 posted on 11/04/2010 11:55:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Candor7

I think the debt ceiling issue should be wrapped around getting a budget passed. Make the dems be seen as the ones who won’t cut spending.


24 posted on 11/04/2010 11:59:15 AM PDT by IamConservative (Our collective common sense; the only thing a 1.5GPF toilet ever flushed on the first pull.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We will just agree to disagree. In any event, it is not going to happen. Dems and Reps will vote to increase the debt ceiling because it is the only way our government can continue to operate. We need to go after the cause of the problem, not the symptom.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 12:01:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Candor7

26 posted on 11/04/2010 12:03:31 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: kabar
Yes, we agree that we diagree. No big deal.

But I will agree that going after the cause and not the symptom is the right approach. I just think that allowing deficit spending IS the cause. You think deficit spending is unavoidable and that it should be facilitated by Republicans by raising the debt ceiling. I say go after the cause and shut the government down until the Democrats get very serious about a debt reduction plan.

27 posted on 11/04/2010 12:08:09 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
I just think that allowing deficit spending IS the cause. You think deficit spending is unavoidable and that it should be facilitated by Republicans by raising the debt ceiling.

You got it totally wrong. I believe that we need to balance our budget and stop deficit spending. But you cannot do that overnight. There has to be a long term plan and an organizede appraoch. What you want to do is childish and counterproductive. Shutting down the government will put pressure on the Reps, not the Dems.

28 posted on 11/04/2010 12:16:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
There has to be a long term plan and an organized appraoch.

It's not at all clear to me how that conversation begins. I've been waiting for it to begin for a good 30 years. Two years of trillion dollar deficits tell me that some folks have no interest in this topic.

I'll concede that I've been describing an unrealistic approach -- but seriously: How do you expect to initiate a realistic conversation about deficit reduction? The Democrats aren't going to participate. I say that based on 30 years of observation.

The position I've been arguing for? It's unrealistic. There. I said it.
The position that you seem to support? That we need to agree on an organized approach? Exactly what can you say that tells that this is a realistic approach?

Anyone reading our interchange would say that I'm crazy and that you are far more reasonable. But I would maintain that both of our positions are crazy. Yours just sounds more level-headed.

To be very clear: We clearly want the same thing. I just don't see how this country gets there.

29 posted on 11/04/2010 12:26:02 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: skookum55

I don’t think they should offer any carrots, just gi back to helath care as we know it, and deregulate, open it up so that the plans are not state bound so there is competition.

If GOP spends money it should be for grants to hospitals to expand cheap Emergency Care, with a sliding fee scale based on income.


30 posted on 11/04/2010 12:35:59 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Tea Party movement and the election results indicate to me that the public gets it. They understand that something needs to be done or we will wind up like Greece.

Obama appointed this deficit commission, which is just away of deferring the responsibilty to someone else to make the hard decisions. Paul Ryan will be chairman of the finance committee. He is a good conservative and has a plan. Getting it adopted is another matter.

This country has some very difficult, painful decisions to make. Anyone who says we can get out of this mess without any pain is lying. Both parties need to come together on the problem rather than demogoging it for political advantage. They have to speak to Ameircans as adults.

Obama is such an ideologue and partisan, I doubt he will be able to make the hard decisions. We will have to wait two years to get something done. In the meantime, we stop his agenda, including spending, and try to roll back some of the things he has already done. The Reps need to paint him as the bad guy and not let Obama blame Congress and Bush for all of our problems.

Shutting down the government just plays into his hands. Let the House start investigating the Administration. Let them show how much ObamaCare really costs. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

31 posted on 11/04/2010 1:38:32 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RetiredArmy

Review and cut “stimulous” money that is wasteful and cut health care measure stuck in there like the Federal health computer system and death panel rationing creepiness.

Take back unspent Tarp money and when banks pay back the money put it back in the general fund. Right now it is a slush fund for the corrupt.


32 posted on 11/04/2010 5:52:44 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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