Skip to comments.The danger of new 'green' light bulbs (Can the ban be lifted now - for the children?)
Posted on 11/05/2010 8:56:12 AM PDT by Libloather
The danger of new 'green' light bulbs
by Abbie Burke
Posted: 11.04.2010 at 2:20 PM
COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO. -- They burn brighter, longer, and use less energy. But the squiggly looking light bulbs known as CFLs (compact fluorescent light bulbs) light up using mercury, a potentially dangerous element.
Switching out old light bulbs to the new CFLs is one of the easiest ways to go green. But what is done with the CFLs after they burn out is perhaps even more important for the environment.
"You don't want that mercury ending up in the landfill, which could then end up getting into the ground and into the ground water," said Melodee Gordon, conservation specialist with Colorado Springs Utilities.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) exposure to mercury can cause damage to the brain, heart, kidneys and lungs.
When put into a landfill the EPA says mercury can potentially find its way into streams and lakes, where fish and shellfish can change it into methyl mercury, a highly toxic form, which can then be ingested by humans.
So what should be done with mercury containing CFLs?
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We just throw the old CFLs out in the pig sty...pigs’ll eat anything.
I won’t have the mercury filled kind in my house. What do you do if one of them is broken - now you have a hazardous waste situation right in your home. I have grandkids, dogs and cats I don’t want poisened.
Heaven help us - with all our know how surely we can find a better way.
Yet another example of how the law of unintended consequences will bite you in the ass every time.
They burn brighter, longer, and use less energy.
The first two claims are manifest lies. I assume the third claim is as well.
The CFLs are off shoring American jobs to China.
Thanks to the Democrats
No they are not brighter. After dad died we had to replace all of his CFL’s because it was like living in a cave with candle light. We refuse to use them in our own home - period.
First of all, for the love of God, don’t EVER break one.
Even more so, don’t break and casually clean up -4- of them.
Having 10 times the “normal levels” of mercury in your body is NOT FUN.
I got lucky...my levels were “low enough” not to require medical detoxification but using natural methods to flush it out feels worse than just leaving it in.
If it hit me this hard with “low level poisoning” as an adult, imagine what a broken bulb is gonna do to a little kid.
Ban the damn things.
The first two claims are manifest lies. I assume the third claim is as well.”
No, actually it's true, but with an * after it. They are essentially round fluorescent light bulbs and have the same characteristics. If you turn them ON and leave them ON for long periods, they use considerably less than incandescents. It you turn them ON and OFF frequently, they use more.
That's why they make no sense in bathrooms, closets or other places that are only lit occasionally (that's why you won't find them in those places in our house).
Does anyone have any idea how the “batteries “in the electric cars will be disposed of?
Batteries are not enviro friendly are they?
One literally exploded right over a whole basket of clean laundry in my upstairs bathroom.
Knowing no better, I just picked up the pieces and rewashed the clothes.
Then I put them [still contaminated] in the drier which blew the poison dust all over the place.
Getting it out of you is not pleasant or easy.
The only “bright side” is that I pretty much exclusively use the top floor of the house.
Hubby’s bathroom and clothes are downstairs and the dogs never go up there.
I got it all.
But, better me than them.
That’s odd. I’ve broken one before, cleaned it up and that was that. Never bothered me one bit.
Our recycling center takes them and I save them and drop them off as needed.
Most of the lights in our house are now CFLs with a few exceptions. They don’t bother me one bit. As soon as LEDs come down in price I will switch to those.
I’m sure that battery “reclamation” will be someone’s cottage industry, supported by our tax dollars to keep things green.
I did not know that about the whole on off thing about the bubs.
And they do suck from a lighting perspective. It is like living in a cave.
Something I don’t understand. When using my digital camera in a house lit with these “GREEN” bulbs I noticed the view screen flickering steadily. As I turned the camera was pointing out the front window and the picture steadied up. Turning back the flickering came back. I’d heard some people react badly to rapidly flickering light...is that going to be a “unexpected consequence” to this idiocy??
Have you been tested for mercury since then?
I’ve cleaned up 4 and it’s cumulative.
Hopefully, you’ll stay lucky.
The CFL’s don’t last as long as claimed. When used in certain kinds of fixtures or outside, they last much less than we were led to believe. Also, when they burn out, there is sometimes a spark and a pop, possibly leading to a fire.
The congress didn’t care about all that. All they cared about was controlling one more product.
They do burn brighter per watt, but typcially people will use lower watt “green” light bulbs in the same fixture to get the same amount of light they got with the old style bulbs. I presume they do use less energy, as that claim could easily be proven or disproven.
In my experience they don’t last longer than the old ones, are at least not nearly as long as the Greenists try to claim.
I am stocking up on the old bulbs.
We switched from the regulars to the ‘twisty’ bulbs. I personally like them. I’m probably going to get a bunch of hater feedback, but oh well.
I do know they use less energy, and they are as bright as the regular bulbs, but they are kind of dim when you first turn them on. I like the fact they do not get hot.
I’ve never broken one myself, but, seriously, IMHO if that’s the absolute worst thing you’re exposed to in your life, consider yourself lucky.
I’m saying this in the logic that you will not be exposed to the broken bulbs day in and day out, year after year. IMO prescription drugs, household chemicals, gas fumes when you’re filling up your car, etc etc...pose more of a risk because you’re exposed to them more often. I mean, how many bulbs do you break a year? I think in my whole life I’ve broken MAYBE 5 light bulbs.
So there’s my input.
I believe these garbage “Liberal” light bulbs with their curly design were designed with Liberals in mind. Liberals can plug or screw them where the sun don’t shine. What do you think? Made by Liberals for Liberals!
It’s the vapor, not the beads that cause the problem. If it is immediately and properly cleaned up...most people will have no adverse reaction.
I agree! (I guess I was typing when you were replying! :) )
I like incandescents. Just enough heat to help my yogurt set.
My electric bill! I wanted to see if it would go down after we switched to all twisties. But I’m not going to send that to you. If my answer is not good enough for you, then hard cheese!
A few questions: why the sudden urgency about the dangers of mercury in CFL’s? For as long as I can remember, flourescent tubes have been used by the billions in shops and businesses across the country. Don’t Flourescent tubes have mercury in them? What happens to them after they burn out? Don’t they go into landfills? Where’s the concern over that?
Also, when they rate the cost savings of CFL’s, are they rating just the CFL lamp itself, or are they including the juice that the electronics in the bulb’s base require to get the bulb to work?
I know people who have/had mercury poisoning. It doesn’t take much exposure and it creeps up very slowly. You may not notice the symptoms but other probably will. Forgetfulness and cognitive deficit are a couple of the symptoms.
In short, exposure to mercury could cause you to become as dumb as a doorknob over time and not notice. It affects your nervous system and brain. I don’t believe there is any way to de-toxify other than wait many years for you body to flush it out.
Lets ban them and go back to whale oil lamps and candles.
We’ve had them for years in every socket and our light bill has actually increased.
I put 4 of the 150W daylight equivalents in a fixture over my art work area and wound up putting back the 150W daylight incandescents.
Not only were they not “daylight equivalent” they were markedly dimmer.
This is anecdotal but real life experience is often a better judge than “scientific tests”.
I have no problem with CFL bulbs. I personally don’t use them and probably never will. My objection is with the government mandating the usage of one type of bulb over the other.
If they are better or worse then let the free market and consumer’s decide.
So is agonizing neurological leg pain.
There are things you can do to hasten its departure.
Drinking LOTS of straight, unsweetened green tea, eating the disgusting herb cilantro, *lots* of magnesium supplements, “sweating it out” [very miserable experience] and hydrating yourself silly.
I dropped mine 2 points in a month using just those things.
The hard part is maintaining a consistent, constant flushing...if you get it “moving” and then lapse with the herbal jazz, [because you “forgot”] it just redeposits elsewhere.
I learned that the hard way.
I spent 2 weeks where I could barely walk because my legs just didn’t “work right” and hurt like unholy hell.
The unbelievable, mind-numbing fatigue was definitely the worst part of it for me.
Now everything sits lined up on the top shelf of the fridge where I can’t “forget” it if I try.....:)
What is really sick is that they have a tax-payer funded program for greenies to go door to door and hand them out, and if you arent home they just stick them on your doorknob. I got one and then the guy came back and I told him off for putting hazardous materials on my doorknob. We got into a heavy debate. He claimed that I had to drive the used up bulbs to the recycle center and I told him he is nuts and that I am not driving them anywhere.
To simply have everyone switch over to these CFLs is another kneejerk reaction by greenies without weighing out the consequences of their actions. In ten to twenty years we will be hearing about all of the dangers to the earth caused by having trillions of these things improperly disposed of.
I’ve got a ‘water saving’ toilet.
Thank God I also have a good well with unlimited amounts of water....LOL
[can I even buy a “normal” toilet anymore?!? this one is utterly useless]
Agreed...florescent lights have been around a long time. I’ve cleaned up after hundreds if not thousands!!!
Live in a city where the leadership kowtows to environazis? Go to your next council meeting and DEMAND that all city-run holiday lighting this winter be with CFL bulbs, not incandescent bulbs and watch these hypocrites run for cover.
DEMAND CFL holiday lights or NO holiday lights! And watch them squirm. And then tell them if they won’t even enforce this for their own civic displays, how DARE they demand it of us in our homes.
Check the used furniture and appliance places..also ask around for a plumber that might have one. Another thing I do is adjust the water level up as far as possible.
“How did we manage when they broke and mercury scattered into tiny beads to be swept up.(?).
We played with it. It made such cool little balls, and if you put in on a piece of paper it went skittering around all over the place. Kids today are deprived of the wholesome good fun of playing with things like liquid mercury, so they play with things like satanically-inspired video games, which is one of the reasons they grow up to be maladjusted homicidal maniacs.
I’m still waiting for the first act of disobedience where a few people rush into Council chambers and smash CFL bulbs just to watch the commielibs freak out. What will the protesters be charged with? Attempted murder?
-it happened at a one-room school in Wisconsin--we rolled the mercury around in our hands, then somebody lucky enough to have pennies made them look "silver" temporarily---
I’ve broken those crappy things more than once and I don’t follow the safety procedures and it hasn’t hurt me yet. Once when I was changing one of the things it broke right in my face and the contents went in my mouth and nose, they break to darn easy.Did you actually get sick or did someone just advise you to get detoxed?I detest those lousy pieces of garbage. Won’t have ‘em at home but my boss is certain they save energy.That said every time one of them breaks or goes out I ignore him and put a regular bulb in. Can’t stand the things they’re so dim they make my eyes hurt.
The flickering of CFLs drives me bonkers, gives me a headache every time, not to mention the high pitched noise they make. I have stockpiled the incandescants until sanity returns to this country.
You obviously don’t have small children/grandchildren or pets. Or the fumble fingers of old age. We can break five in a week if it’s the right week.
The first claim is debatable. The second claim is correct, as is the third.
I had a girlfriend who got sick over a several month period. She was hospitalized four times before they did exploratory surgery only to discover nothing. After the surgery she found mercury beads in the back of the toilet. Turns out the mercury was in the water tower that fed her neighborhood. The AF had to move all the people out of those houses because they had to close that water tower. It would be interesting to know how many people had effects from that water before she got sick and they made the connection.