Posted on 11/07/2010 5:54:06 PM PST by TaraP
A new supernova? Darn right. Lighting up Leo? Well… not without some serious visual aid, but the fact that someone out there is watching and has invited us along for the ride is mighty important. And just who might that someone be? None other than Tim Puckett. Less than 24 hours ago, the American Association of Variable Star Observer’s Report #222 stated:
“Bright Supernova in UGC 5189A: SN 2010jl November 5, 2010
We have been informed by Tim Puckett and by the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams (CBET 2532, Daniel W. E. Green, Ed.) of the discovery of a bright supernova in UGC 5189A by J. Newton and Puckett, Portal, AZ, on November 3.52 UT at unfiltered magnitude 13.5. Confirming images (limiting magnitude 19.1) by Puckett on Nov. 4.50 UT showed the object at magnitude 12.9.
Spectroscopic observations (CBET 2536, Daniel W. E. Green, Ed.) by S. Benetti and F. Bufano, Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica, Osservatorio Astronomico di Padova, on behalf of a larger collaboration, and by J. Vinko, University of Szeged, G. H. Marion, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and University of Texas, T. Pritchard, Pennsylvania State University, and J. C. Wheeler and E. Chatzopoulos, University of Texas, show that SN 2010jl is a type-IIn supernova. Vinko et al. also report that simultaneous measurements with Swift/UVOT in the ultraviolet bands confirm that the transient is ultraviolet-bright, as expected for young, interacting supernovae.
Coordinates: 09 42 53.33 +09 29 41.8 (J2000.0) This position is 2.4″ east and 7.7″ north of the center of UGC 5189A.
This is VERY dim, and dimmer than the dimmest star you can see in the darkest sky by as much as the difference between that dimmest start and a very bright star.
You need a Large telescope and exceptional star charts to see this.
It must be bad news to anyone who lives on planets nearby.
I wish we’d get one bright enough to see during the day in my lifetime.
Tara, I love your posts. If you have a ping list, please put me on it. Thanks.
You bet!
:)
Leo is just southeast of the big dipper (below the saucepan). If you see a bright star under the dipper, that is probably Regulus, the brightest star in Leo.
It's a StarBuster Bomb.
It's a StarBuster Bomb.
I believe that Kevin Davis is a major pinger of the space stuff. I think he’ll set you up if you ask him really nicely.... (BG)
If I remember right, following the Pointers in the opposite direction from the North Star will take you to Regulus, the bright star in Leo. (Hope others will correct me if I’m wrong here.)
Leo, the great lion. “The conquering lion of Judah”, Jesus Christ, who will come again. The king that the apostle John traced back to that tribe of Israel. In his heart is the star called Regulus.
This is the whole story of God’s atonement work on earth, its beginning and ending are symbolized by the sphinx - combining Virgo and Leo.
Hey can you elaborate? please..I was born on the cusp of Leo-Virgo..exactly on the cusp.
” if I grabbed my Bushnells, where would the supernova be in relation to it? “
Dear Sir,
I would remind you that this is a CONSERVATIVE site, and as such, espouses family values and all. I would respectfully request that you keep your smutty anatomical references confined to the beer halls and billiard parlors which you no doubt frequent!
The supernova will be above your Bushnells.
(But you won't see a magnitude 12.9 object in them.)
I wanna be on the ping list too!
It could happen. Betelgeuse could go anytime.
Thanks. I’ll look forward to your pings.
Falling out of chair laughing!
Was my thought, too.
During Roman times, a person’s destiny was believed to be linked to the signs in the sky at birth. For kings and rulers, it was known as a ROYAL PORTENT. As described in the book ‘The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi’, the Magi were witness to such a royal portent at Jesus’ birth.
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Sphinx in Greek means to “connect or bind together”.A sphinx combines the head of a woman and the body of a lion. This fixes the beginning and ending of the celestial narrative — beginning with Virgo and ending with Leo.
Virgo, is depicted as a virgin in every ancient reference, holding in one hand abranch, and in the other a sheaf of grain, or seed, always associated with a child, “Shesh nu” in Egyptian, the desired son, the symbol of the incarnation of God on earth.
You got it!
Sounds like you’re tinkering a bit with mundane astrology, pertaining to events of the nations and the world, the signs and times and wonders in the sky, as opposed to the selfish attempts at divination for personal benefit that astrology has become, which is condemned. I know a little about it, and this could be interesting from that perspective.
Me too, please. :-)
Yes you too!
The Crab supernova this ain't, visually. Don't think I'll even attempt it with our 10" Meade. Sure, it would pick it up, but I want to see what I'm looking at, not just look at what I'm seeing.
Besides, I expect a supernova to sunburn me at midnight, to be worthwhile. *<];-')
Biblical Astrology that the Magi followed in the *Star of Bethlehem is nothing at all like Pop Cultures version of Astrology, Sorcery or witchcraft which is condemned...
LUKE 21:25
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea
The terms mundane and Biblical in reference to astrology refer to the same thing. “Mundane” not in the sense of ordinary, but in the sense of “mundo”or world.
Well then Luke 21: 25 is in error?
I know of another star that you should be able to find with little problem. Though this time of the year it is only visible during a 11 hour window.
The good part is that you can see it during daylight.
*Don't use your bushnells...way too bright for them.
http://www.amazon.com/Witness-Stars-Ethelbert-W-Bullinger/dp/0825422450
The Witness of the Stars [Paperback]
Product Description
Building upon ancient astronomical sources and modern scientific data, Bullinger shows how the constellations witness to the accuracy of biblical prophetic truths. A classic Kregel bestseller. —This text refers to an alternate Paperback edition.
About the Author
E. W. Bullinger (1837-1913) was a direct descendant of Johann H. Bullinger, the Swiss reformer. Bullinger was a lifelong scholar and writer studying at King's College, London. In 1862 he was ordained in the Church of England. He is also the author of the notes and appendixes of The Companion Bible and the author of numerous works including Commentary on Revelation, Great Cloud of Witnesses, How to Enjoy the Bible, and Number in Scripture. —This text refers to an alternate Paperback edition.
It explains, constellation by constellation, how the stars form a telling of the prophetical Biblical story, from Adam to the final triumphant return of Jesus, for ancient peoples to 'read' in the night sky.
No, it isn’t. The same “art” that led the Magi to Bethlehem is the same “art” known to Abrahm and taught by Abraham to the Egyptians, it’s the same astrology known to and practiced by Jewish sages and rabbinical authorities and it’s the same that has been used to understand astrological/astrological symbolism or passages interpreted as such in the Bible.
The conflict comes in when this, how can I describe it, specialized and potentially dangerous knowledge is directed at an attempt to alter God’s will or in attempting divination for personal advantage or gain. This crosses the line into that which has been condemned, and it’s wrong, not for us to know or attempt to master or even use at all.
That’s my understanding at least. I realize it’s controversial, and likely to attract negative comment, but there it is. You’ve interpreted the Sphinx in astrological terms. Abraham would be the original source although it was perverted and abused by the Egyptians, according to all that I’ve read on the matter.
Meh... This is old news...
Mark
(Sorry, bad joke... The “new” supernova occurred far in the past...)
Yep. I believe nobody within ten light years of a supernova is worrying about global warming or a bad economy anymore.
Again I respectfully dis-agree with you based on scripture..
Joel 2:30 I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke.
Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Luke 21:26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
The Sphinx is on earth...
Giants were on the earth as well
If/when Antares goes everyone will know.
What, exactly, is the source of your respectful disagreement? It might be helpful if you lay out your understanding of the topic at hand, rather than citing Bible verses back and forth at each other. But, along those lines, we have:
Genesis 1:14:
14 And God said , Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years
Psalms 19:1-3:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork . 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Job 38:31-33:
1 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? 32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? 33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
All I am saying is that what is known as Biblical astrology and what is known as mundane astrology are one and the same. Neither deal with divination, sourcery or witchcraft. Youv'e made reference to astrological meanings yourself, and if you deem it all forbidden I have to wonder just why you're indulging.
Can you please elaborate because I find it puzzling.
It’s about as bad as grabbing one’s “telescope”.... oh the “horror”~!
“when correctly viewed, everything is lewd...I can tell you things about Peter Pan and the wizard of Oz (there’s a dirty ol’ man)” From the parody “Smut” by Tom Lehrer.
Hey! That kind of talk is gonna focus all.
Maybe I am lost in translation with your posts, but in a nutshell I do not see *Biblical Astrology* as mundane, I assume you mean like the prophecies of Nostradamus?
The Second Coming of Christ will be a *Celestial Event* I am not making predictions, just posting articles that have relevance in my opinion as *Signs and Wonders* in Luke 21;25.
I think the signs in the heavens refer to observed changes in the orders of things....perhaps men battling each other at the periphery in space,,,asteroid and meteor hits. The moon is knocked out of orbit or even destroyed. Planetary shakeups and even interstellar changes as God begins to “shake the heavens and the earth, the seas and the dry lands”. Astronomers have been commenting on the curious lack of sunspots even at a time where numbers should be ramping up according to past measured cycles. The Bible also talks about the appearance of a “sign of the Son of Man” appearing in the heavenlies causing international costernation or “mourning”. Luke 21:25 speaks of a change of state in the heavenlies, not about the static order of things that were currently observed at the time of Christ.
Ok then..I was not sure mundane was applied in regards to the Star of Bethlehem...
Science calls it *Climate Change* that is they’re understanding of Celestial events that are affecting the earth rather than Luke 21;25.
Sun and it’s lack of sunspots and an increase in earthquake and volcanic activity.
They didn’t seek to oppose the will of God, they sought signs as His prophecy told them, to look for the King of the Jews, the Lion of Judah, born of a Virgin. There have been credible efforts to determine the date and year of Jesus’ birth by regressing astrological charts.
Me too, please.
These were all good books regarding this subject. This is not astrology. The premise is that the Patriarchs of old, who understood the Gospel message (as promised in Genesis 3:15 - that the Seed of the Woman would crush the head of the serpent...), defined the various constellation of stars to record the Gospel Promise fo succeeding generations. From Virgo (the Virgin) to Leo (the Lion of Judah pouncing on Hydra the serpent ... and with the cup of wrath being poured out on Hydra) - this Gospel message was put there for all to see and remember.
The premise can't be proved (or disproved) - as there are no statements in the Bible that state that the Patriarchs defined the Constellations (Zodiac, and the accompanying Decan constellations - a total of 48 constellations) - but between Virgo the Virgin, and Libra the scales, and Scorpio, and the two bound fishes, the fish-goat (the head a dying - as being sacrificed goat; and the tail of a living fish), Aries the sacrificed Ram, etc ... there seems to be a Gospel design in how these Constellations were defined.
Most of these aforementioned books build off of Frances Rolleston's work (a manuscript published in the mid 1800s), but they all provide interesting angles on this study.
Probably the most thorough example among all the hits on the Google search link I provided to you would be:
http://www.versebyverse.org/doctrine/birthofchrist.html
This one is just straightforward, in outline form with ample Biblical sourcing. The topic does attract wackiness from several quarters, but this is devoid of it.
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