Skip to comments.Smoke plume off Calif. coast possibly aircraft
Posted on 11/09/2010 2:25:47 PM PST by jimbo123
A mysterious smoke plume that looked like a missile firing off the California coast on Monday may have been an aircraft and not a missile, U.S. military officials said.
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The Aliens have come back to get Obama......
I’ll see your NFW and raise you 6 Total BS and 3 NFW’s.
al gore ripped one while flying on his magic non carbon emitting carpet.
I think the question on the NOTAMN is that is was ISSUED AFTER THE LAUNCH that took place, not before.
Well, I’m not a pilot, but...
“1011092000” and “10111100100” are the dates and times in Greenwich Mean Time—so, 11/9/10 2000 GMT (12:00 noon PST) to 11/10/10 0100 GMT (5:00 pm PST). If the contrail appeared after 5:00 pm, then this NOTAM may not mean anything.
W537 is probably the code that defines the no-fly area over the weapons center. I don’t know what those CAE numbers are but “oceanic transition” is where an aircraft is handed off from the Los Angeles ARTCC to Oceanic controllers, where it leaves radar coverage.
So basically, they’re shutting down a section of airspace from 12:00 to 17:00 local yesterday. Is that anywhere near this? I have no clue.
Former Deputy Sec. claims it was a missile...
“It’s spectacular. It takes people’s breath away,” former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and former Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Ellsworth told the station after viewing the video. Ellsworth could offer little in the way of speculation about the projectile’s origins, beyond supposing that it looked to be an American show of force, but he did classify it as “a big missile.” Various reports say that the missile was launched roughly 35 miles out to sea, west of L.A. and north of Catalina Island.
I’ve been in my brother-in-law’s Citation at 45,000 feet. I gotta admit that from that altitude commercial airliner contrails look completely different.
The still photo’s I’ve seen of this thing DO look like contrails. If there is no video of an actual rocket taking off and creating the contrail, I’m gonna go with the contrail explanation.
What about my LOL? Cloward-Piven highly values ridicule.
Yeah, sure. Do morons publish this nonsense for fun?
I believe its more propaganda to put fear in the American people. At what point will the American people surrender their sovereignty from all that is being thrown at us? Its all a grand illusion to fool us.
Your field of knowledge is what,...stupidity?
CAE = Control Area
Google "Los Angeles Sectional", move it around till you're just south of the Channel Islands, you'll see Control Areas 1316 & 1318
They cut this part off. This notice was issued AFTER the launch took place.
09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 201
10-11-09-2000 - 10-11-10-0100
This is for activity beginning TODAY at 2000 GMT (1200 PST) and ending this afternoon (1700 PST).
Remind me NEVER to fly with you. How do you file your flight plans,...transcendentally?
What is its speed?
Looking at the video again, the other thing that catches my eye...I’m usually able, when I see a plane going over on a clear day, to tell if it’s got two or four engines, assuming the engines are wing-mounted. The vapor trails stay distinct for a short distance before merging into one contrail behind the airplane. That isn’t the case with that video. Maybe it’s low resolution or distance, but all I’m seeing is one fat vapor trail, which would indicate to me the thrust is coming from the centerline. I suppose it could be a military fighter like an F-15 on full afterburner going somewhere in a big hurry, but they rarely fly alone.
I’m not completely discounting the aircraft explanation, but parts of it don’t seem to stand up.
W537 is the area over the ocean where the missile was seen.
Flashback Dec 2009: Mystery deepens with video of launch off O.C.
Unless it is a hoax, there is video, some links on this thread, as well as CBS and Yahoo that show a launch complete with the glow of the thrust at the bottom of the missile and a long boost phase.
Video is HERE:
Pulled? never. replaced.
A leaving aircraft might, but certainly not an approaching one. Hogwash. The people on the CBS helicopter would have seen the aircraft fly by if it was inbound.
And if this was an aircraft, can you imagine how many such sightings we would have connected to LAX alone?
Tens per day? 50 per week? 200 plus per month?
Honestly, it gets rather annoying when folks offer up ideas that are completely disconnected from reality, to try to shoot something down they have no connection to whatsoever.
I upchucked on my keyboard!
As an Air Force brat and a missileier’s wife, I’ve spent nearly 30 years on Air Force bases (including Vandenburg, where my husband was a launch control officer for the old Atlas program in the early ‘60’s). I’ve seen countless missile launches and contrails. THAT contrail did not emanate from an airplane.
I would think it would be easy enough for the military to test the exhaust chemically and tell what it is.
That’s not just opinion, that’s a fact.
Wouldn’t there be a radar trace of some kind from LAX or associated system?
Thanks. Now that I have seen the video, I’m going with contrail. It looked like an airplane with the sun reflecting off the fuselage, making it look bright.
The only thing that sort of doesn’t make sense now is that is was supposedly launched from 35 miles off the coast of California.
All that said, if it was a contrail, as it got closer and went overhead it would have been obvious, while a missile would have receded as it headed west. But the video stops. That alone is rather odd and raises my suspicions that someone wants us to think it is something when it is nothing. That someone would be the party that made the footage.
just my little homebuilt hobby rocket. sorry bout that guys.
Another option - given the time of day and that it appeared to rise from the sea - how much thought is being given to an illusion generated by a meteor? Back in the 70’s during the day, saw one in Montana - appeared to rise from the Minuteman silo areas heading North generating quite a contrail. It proved later to have been a meteor tracked from Colorado north the the MT/ Canadian border.
If you look closely, you will notice it’s not going WEST .. Its going North/North-West...
I looked at the posted NOTAMS last night and posted them on another thread.
There were NO activations of ANY Warning zones or restricted zones in this area.
That’s a Missile lunch, no doubt in my retired Naval Officers mind
(Oh... you meant submarines... *\;^)
The problem is that there is what looks like flame at the top of the contrail.
However, that could be explained as a reflection of the sun off the fuselage.
Or, of course, swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
That’s not a glow from the thrust of a missile, it’s the setting sun reflected off the aircraft’s skin.
Yup, seems like this would be easy to prove or disprove.
Comments on a thread on this:
It was a missile exercise by the US Navy.
KZLA LOS ANGELES (ARTCC)PALMDALE, CA.
A2832/10 NOTAMN A) KZLA B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100
E) THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED.
F) SURFACE G) FL390
November 9, 2010 at 2:19 pm | Reply | Report comment
If you draw a straight line from where the video was shot (LA harbor) across Pt. Fermin (the hill in the foreground) to the contrail, you end up exactly intersecting San Nicolas island. Thats a NAVY missile testing facility.
November 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm | Reply | Report comment
Tonight, 1AM Eastern, Coast to Coast AM with Whitley Striber will be discussing it, IIRC.
No news here - Aliens landed in California, and took the quickest route back to the mothership ...
Can’t help it...code name Joshua.
It was a weather balloon with a reflection from swamp gas.
Watch the video again with the idea that you are seeing an aircraft leaving a contrail flying toward you from over the horizon.
I can’t discount the possibility.