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Smoke plume off Calif. coast possibly aircraft
Washington Times ^ | 11/09/10 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 11/09/2010 2:25:47 PM PST by jimbo123

A mysterious smoke plume that looked like a missile firing off the California coast on Monday may have been an aircraft and not a missile, U.S. military officials said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: alaskaairlines225; californiamissile; contrail; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade
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To: jimbo123

The Aliens have come back to get Obama......


51 posted on 11/09/2010 2:46:20 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: Paladin2

I’ll see your NFW and raise you 6 Total BS and 3 NFW’s.


52 posted on 11/09/2010 2:46:47 PM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jimbo123

al gore ripped one while flying on his magic non carbon emitting carpet.

true story.


53 posted on 11/09/2010 2:47:14 PM PST by sappy (criminalibs)
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To: KarlInOhio

I think the question on the NOTAMN is that is was ISSUED AFTER THE LAUNCH that took place, not before.


54 posted on 11/09/2010 2:47:31 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: KarlInOhio

Well, I’m not a pilot, but...

“1011092000” and “10111100100” are the dates and times in Greenwich Mean Time—so, 11/9/10 2000 GMT (12:00 noon PST) to 11/10/10 0100 GMT (5:00 pm PST). If the contrail appeared after 5:00 pm, then this NOTAM may not mean anything.

W537 is probably the code that defines the no-fly area over the weapons center. I don’t know what those CAE numbers are but “oceanic transition” is where an aircraft is handed off from the Los Angeles ARTCC to Oceanic controllers, where it leaves radar coverage.

So basically, they’re shutting down a section of airspace from 12:00 to 17:00 local yesterday. Is that anywhere near this? I have no clue.

}:-)4


55 posted on 11/09/2010 2:48:29 PM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Moose4

Former Deputy Sec. claims it was a missile...

“It’s spectacular. It takes people’s breath away,” former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and former Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Ellsworth told the station after viewing the video. Ellsworth could offer little in the way of speculation about the projectile’s origins, beyond supposing that it looked to be an American show of force, but he did classify it as “a big missile.” Various reports say that the missile was launched roughly 35 miles out to sea, west of L.A. and north of Catalina Island.

In full here http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101109/od_yblog_upshot/no-one-seems-to-know-where-mysterious-missile-launched-near-la-came-from


56 posted on 11/09/2010 2:48:34 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I’ve been in my brother-in-law’s Citation at 45,000 feet. I gotta admit that from that altitude commercial airliner contrails look completely different.

The still photo’s I’ve seen of this thing DO look like contrails. If there is no video of an actual rocket taking off and creating the contrail, I’m gonna go with the contrail explanation.


57 posted on 11/09/2010 2:48:43 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: stockpirate

What about my LOL? Cloward-Piven highly values ridicule.


58 posted on 11/09/2010 2:48:52 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: jimbo123

Yeah, sure. Do morons publish this nonsense for fun?


59 posted on 11/09/2010 2:49:38 PM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: jimbo123

I believe its more propaganda to put fear in the American people. At what point will the American people surrender their sovereignty from all that is being thrown at us? Its all a grand illusion to fool us.


60 posted on 11/09/2010 2:50:36 PM PST by hope
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To: mnehring

Your field of knowledge is what,...stupidity?


61 posted on 11/09/2010 2:50:48 PM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: jimbo123
I don't know. I only saw one launch from Vandenberg when I was in my early twenties. I've seen lots of vapor trails in the sunset left by jets. This looks exactly like the missile I saw launched way back in the day. The little dot of light flashing also looked just like what I saw. You would think our military would be able to track down the flight plan of something that leaves that big a vapor trail by now.
62 posted on 11/09/2010 2:52:05 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Moose4
W = Warning Area

CAE = Control Area

Google "Los Angeles Sectional", move it around till you're just south of the Channel Islands, you'll see Control Areas 1316 & 1318

Standard NOTAM

63 posted on 11/09/2010 2:53:01 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Moose4

They cut this part off. This notice was issued AFTER the launch took place.

09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 201”


64 posted on 11/09/2010 2:53:28 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: KarlInOhio
B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100

10-11-09-2000 - 10-11-10-0100

This is for activity beginning TODAY at 2000 GMT (1200 PST) and ending this afternoon (1700 PST).

ML/NJ

65 posted on 11/09/2010 2:53:56 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Remind me NEVER to fly with you. How do you file your flight plans,...transcendentally?


66 posted on 11/09/2010 2:54:15 PM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: surfer
If you watch the speed of the vehicle

What is its speed?

67 posted on 11/09/2010 2:56:57 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: FromLori

Looking at the video again, the other thing that catches my eye...I’m usually able, when I see a plane going over on a clear day, to tell if it’s got two or four engines, assuming the engines are wing-mounted. The vapor trails stay distinct for a short distance before merging into one contrail behind the airplane. That isn’t the case with that video. Maybe it’s low resolution or distance, but all I’m seeing is one fat vapor trail, which would indicate to me the thrust is coming from the centerline. I suppose it could be a military fighter like an F-15 on full afterburner going somewhere in a big hurry, but they rarely fly alone.

I’m not completely discounting the aircraft explanation, but parts of it don’t seem to stand up.

}:-)4


68 posted on 11/09/2010 2:57:07 PM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Moose4
"W537 is probably the code that defines the no-fly area over the weapons center."

W537 is the area over the ocean where the missile was seen.

70 posted on 11/09/2010 2:58:23 PM PST by mlo
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To: Regulator

Thanks!

}:-)4


71 posted on 11/09/2010 2:58:52 PM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: All

Flashback Dec 2009: Mystery deepens with video of ‘launch’ off O.C.

http://sciencedude.ocregister.com/2009/12/31/mystery-launch-visible-off-oc/75161/


72 posted on 11/09/2010 2:59:19 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: RobRoy
"The still photo’s I’ve seen of this thing DO look like contrails. If there is no video of an actual rocket taking off and creating the contrail, I’m gonna go with the contrail explanation."

Unless it is a hoax, there is video, some links on this thread, as well as CBS and Yahoo that show a launch complete with the glow of the thrust at the bottom of the missile and a long boost phase.

73 posted on 11/09/2010 2:59:51 PM PST by Truth29
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To: RobRoy

Video is HERE:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2010/11/09/pentagon-cant-explain-missile-off-california-coast/


74 posted on 11/09/2010 3:00:59 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Pulled? never. replaced.


75 posted on 11/09/2010 3:01:16 PM PST by steveo (2010 never again)
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To: jimbo123

A leaving aircraft might, but certainly not an approaching one. Hogwash. The people on the CBS helicopter would have seen the aircraft fly by if it was inbound.

And if this was an aircraft, can you imagine how many such sightings we would have connected to LAX alone?

Tens per day? 50 per week? 200 plus per month?

Honestly, it gets rather annoying when folks offer up ideas that are completely disconnected from reality, to try to shoot something down they have no connection to whatsoever.


76 posted on 11/09/2010 3:02:12 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Your next chance like this? About 2044. Vote popularity and don't waste time with the details.)
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To: Paladin2

I upchucked on my keyboard!


77 posted on 11/09/2010 3:04:52 PM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jimbo123

78 posted on 11/09/2010 3:06:18 PM PST by jsh3180
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To: reagan_fanatic
Sub Launched F-15. 


79 posted on 11/09/2010 3:08:04 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: pissant; LucyT; Velveeta; WestCoastGal; nw_arizona_granny

As an Air Force brat and a missileier’s wife, I’ve spent nearly 30 years on Air Force bases (including Vandenburg, where my husband was a launch control officer for the old Atlas program in the early ‘60’s). I’ve seen countless missile launches and contrails. THAT contrail did not emanate from an airplane.

IMHO


80 posted on 11/09/2010 3:08:10 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: jimbo123; All


"All is well, it was just a glowing Frisbee"
81 posted on 11/09/2010 3:09:01 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: All

I would think it would be easy enough for the military to test the exhaust chemically and tell what it is.


82 posted on 11/09/2010 3:10:59 PM PST by wolfman
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To: Rushmore Rocks

That’s not just opinion, that’s a fact.


83 posted on 11/09/2010 3:11:18 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jimbo123

Wouldn’t there be a radar trace of some kind from LAX or associated system?


84 posted on 11/09/2010 3:11:40 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: jimbo123

Thanks. Now that I have seen the video, I’m going with contrail. It looked like an airplane with the sun reflecting off the fuselage, making it look bright.

The only thing that sort of doesn’t make sense now is that is was supposedly launched from 35 miles off the coast of California.

All that said, if it was a contrail, as it got closer and went overhead it would have been obvious, while a missile would have receded as it headed west. But the video stops. That alone is rather odd and raises my suspicions that someone wants us to think it is something when it is nothing. That someone would be the party that made the footage.


85 posted on 11/09/2010 3:11:43 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: jimbo123

just my little homebuilt hobby rocket. sorry bout that guys.


86 posted on 11/09/2010 3:12:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: jimbo123

Another option - given the time of day and that it appeared to rise from the sea - how much thought is being given to an illusion generated by a meteor? Back in the 70’s during the day, saw one in Montana - appeared to rise from the Minuteman silo areas heading North generating quite a contrail. It proved later to have been a meteor tracked from Colorado north the the MT/ Canadian border.


87 posted on 11/09/2010 3:15:25 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: RobRoy

If you look closely, you will notice it’s not going WEST .. Its going North/North-West...
I looked at the posted NOTAMS last night and posted them on another thread.
There were NO activations of ANY Warning zones or restricted zones in this area.

That’s a Missile lunch, no doubt in my retired Naval Officers mind


88 posted on 11/09/2010 3:18:12 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: neodad
Anyone check and see if any boomers are missing a missile?

I'm not.

(Oh... you meant submarines... *\;^)

89 posted on 11/09/2010 3:22:01 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: jimbo123

The problem is that there is what looks like flame at the top of the contrail.

However, that could be explained as a reflection of the sun off the fuselage.

Or, of course, swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.


90 posted on 11/09/2010 3:22:09 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Truth29

That’s not a glow from the thrust of a missile, it’s the setting sun reflected off the aircraft’s skin.


91 posted on 11/09/2010 3:22:17 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Robe


Destination: Kura Test Range in Kamchatka Krai, Russia
92 posted on 11/09/2010 3:23:32 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: linear

Yup, seems like this would be easy to prove or disprove.


93 posted on 11/09/2010 3:25:50 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: jimbo123

Comments on a thread on this:

Jeff

It was a missile exercise by the US Navy.

KZLA LOS ANGELES (ARTCC)PALMDALE, CA.

A2832/10 NOTAMN A) KZLA B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100
E) THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED.
F) SURFACE G) FL390

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Pete F

If you draw a straight line from where the video was shot (LA harbor) across Pt. Fermin (the hill in the foreground) to the contrail, you end up exactly intersecting San Nicolas island. That’s a NAVY missile testing facility.

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94 posted on 11/09/2010 3:26:58 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: pissant

Tonight, 1AM Eastern, Coast to Coast AM with Whitley Striber will be discussing it, IIRC.


95 posted on 11/09/2010 3:29:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: jimbo123
My thoughts also ....
but some things are troubling....
#1.. Wouldn't put it passed the Russians to pull something like this ..
But not this close to shore, inside the Pacific Defense Zone.
Could definitely be seen as a war shot resulting in a full Nuclear response.
#2..Also What about our Launch detection satellites ???
You can bet the NORAD guys at Cheyenne Mountain know about it ....
96 posted on 11/09/2010 3:31:34 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: jimbo123

No news here - Aliens landed in California, and took the quickest route back to the mothership ...


97 posted on 11/09/2010 3:33:22 PM PST by 11th_VA (Bush is gone, long live the Tea Party ....)
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To: Robe

Can’t help it...code name Joshua.


98 posted on 11/09/2010 3:35:22 PM PST by sissyjane (Did you plug the hole yet Daddy????)
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To: jimbo123

It was a weather balloon with a reflection from swamp gas.


99 posted on 11/09/2010 3:35:44 PM PST by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: jimbo123

Watch the video again with the idea that you are seeing an aircraft leaving a contrail flying toward you from over the horizon.

I can’t discount the possibility.


100 posted on 11/09/2010 3:38:40 PM PST by poindexter
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