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A Vanity to Hannity on Reagan, Rove and the GOP Establishment
11/13/2010 | Brices Crossroads

Posted on 11/13/2010 12:03:05 PM PST by Brices Crossroads

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I notice that the Politico did a piece today which, as usual, draws the wrong lesson from the 2010 election finding that the abortion issue actually helped the Democrats. Unfortunately some Republicans (chiefly those who pay attention to Rove) will read that nonsense and believe it rather than the Reagan prescription of both economic and social conservatism.
1 posted on 11/13/2010 12:03:11 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Al B.; Virginia Ridgerunner; onyx; Gator113; b9; GoCards; Clyde5445; CAluvdubya; SoConPubbie

ping


2 posted on 11/13/2010 12:05:41 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

We’ve quit watching Hannity altogether because of these Mt. Olympus types who prefer hanging out with Zeus instead of us regular folks.

When I was growing up, we called them “know-it-alls.” Now, that description doesn’t seem to fit because they don’t know half as much as they think they do.

And none of them, including Hannity, seem to be in touch with real Americans. To me, that’s a real disappointment.


3 posted on 11/13/2010 12:07:30 PM PST by janereinheimer ((I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.))
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To: Brices Crossroads

ROVE Machine


4 posted on 11/13/2010 12:07:38 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I prefer Rove any day over those liberal clowns.He has some original thoughts.


5 posted on 11/13/2010 12:08:00 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Brices Crossroads

rove is part of the “estabished”,

as dana perino said.

rove is not a conservative.


6 posted on 11/13/2010 12:08:22 PM PST by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: Brices Crossroads

i turn him off when Newt the Turd sucker comes on.


7 posted on 11/13/2010 12:11:56 PM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brices Crossroads

How about all of the other RINO scumbags?


8 posted on 11/13/2010 12:14:57 PM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I agree with much of what you said, although I like Sean Hannity. Sean occasionally gets under my skin, but he has done a lot of good for America.

As for Tokyo Rove.... he’s dead in my view. I hate seeing Rove come on any show, even when I agree with that days message.


9 posted on 11/13/2010 12:15:33 PM PST by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: janereinheimer

I think Hannity may change his approach when Tea Party conservatives change the channel or listen to podcasts of Levin and Rush.

I bet his ratings are dipping. Too many people around her say they never watch him anymore.


10 posted on 11/13/2010 12:16:11 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads
I haven't watched or listened to 5 minutes of Hannity, since it became clear that he was a flaming COWARD regarding Obama’s eligibility.

As much as I hate Dr. Laura's voice while driving around town in my car, she still beats Hannity. Can't stand him!

11 posted on 11/13/2010 12:24:30 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Brices Crossroads

The appearance of Karl Rove or Dana Perino is an immediate channel changer for me.

Are you listening FOX???


12 posted on 11/13/2010 12:26:41 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: Brices Crossroads
I am turned off by Hannity, his talking over guests, lots of time it is his way or u shut up...Fortunately I can listen to KFI from LA during his radio time..I did not go to his freedom concert this year, instead I donate to home front San Diego, and it gets to the local military needs.
13 posted on 11/13/2010 12:29:02 PM PST by JoanneSD
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To: Gator113

“I agree with much of what you said, although I like Sean Hannity.”

I do too, and part of the reason I wrote this is to give him some friendly advice. This Rove thing is hurting him. Rove used his show to fire his first broadside at Christine O’Donnell after she won the primary. Hannity is not to blame for that. But continuing to give him a prominent platform and to flatter him as “the Architect” is making conservatives hurl.

If Hannity’s program is going to become just the second hour of Baxter, it is going to fold. It must be conservative. Or it will be kaput.


14 posted on 11/13/2010 12:31:14 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

I agree. The quicker we get back to all around Reagan conservatism the better. The next President of the United States must be one who is dedicated to the task of repealing and reversing ALL of the damage inflicted on our great nation by Obama and the godless Marxist Democrats. The next POTUS must love America, patriotism, cherish the Constitution and the Declaration, love freedom, small government, God, family, country, Life and Liberty! He/she must have a solid program to roll back government, roll back taxes and spending, strengthen our foreign policy, strengthen our defenses, secure the border, defend the unborn, defend marriage, defend the second amendment, appoint constitutional judges, restore our economic freedoms and energy independence! In short, he/she must not only talk the talk, but must walk the walk! Drill, baby, drill! And she must love the great American outdoors! Love boating, fishing, guns, hunting and skinning game, like moose, RATs and RINOs!!


15 posted on 11/13/2010 12:31:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: ken21
Neither is Dana Perino.
16 posted on 11/13/2010 12:31:41 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Brices Crossroads

Agreed.


17 posted on 11/13/2010 12:33:04 PM PST by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: alicewonders

I agree about Dana P, alicewonders. I simply cannot stand her. She interrupts people and makes stupid comments. What was it she said about women being too busy for something one night on Fox? Does anyone remember that brilliant comment? I think it was pre-election and in a conversation about COD.


18 posted on 11/13/2010 12:33:47 PM PST by Mountain Mary ("Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, young people" ...BO at Conn. rally)
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To: Jim Robinson

BTTT, Jim

“skinning game, like moose, RATs and RINOs!!”

LOL. I think I have someone in mind for this job....


19 posted on 11/13/2010 12:38:00 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Good points and I agree. Also Reagan was the only good President we have had in decades.

People need to wake up and realize this is a war against freedom and the idea of America. It is the idea of America that people can wraps their hands around and it is the idea of America that will get people off their butts to let their voices be heard as they realize we have to fight to keep the idea of America.


20 posted on 11/13/2010 12:39:07 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Mountain Mary

Dana Perino would be drop-dead gorgeous if she let her hair grow. A very beautiful and feminine lady. But that short hair style has got to go.


21 posted on 11/13/2010 12:39:58 PM PST by jla
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To: surfer; Jim Robinson

“it is the idea of America that will get people off their butts to let their voices be heard as they realize we have to fight to keep the idea of America.”

As Reagan said, freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We only keep it by fighting for it, not by following the RINO playbook of “surrendering a little more slowly”


22 posted on 11/13/2010 12:41:56 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Some good points here but I think Tokyo Rove is less an anti-ideologue and more just a semi-scrupulous agenda-driven Bush-backer trying to place-hold for Jeb with his attacks on Palin, et al. The social issues are as useful to Rove as any other issues—when they’re useful, that is. When they’re not, they’re not.

As for Hannity, I think FR is generally overly critical. Hannity is a flawed spokesman for conservatism, true, but he is TIRELESS and does lots and lots of God’s work, especially in election years. By example, he’s the one who put the Obama connections to Rev Wright, Billy and Bernadine out there among the general public and kept pounding away even AFTER the Comrade was elected. Hannity is the kinda critter that just keeps coming. He’s not my fave either but he’s a good man. I’m not turning him off only because he puts someone on the air I don’t agree with.

(And, I’m hoping he’ll read the above and send me a free Lobstergram!)

As for everything you say about not shying away from the social issues, I’m down with you brother. Those are winners for us, not losers. Pound those social issues. Pound them and win!


23 posted on 11/13/2010 12:44:25 PM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Brices Crossroads

Rove is a yesterday ‘Republican’

GW ‘bless him’ is a yesterday ‘Republican’

WE THE PEOPLE are the Republicans now of today.

I’m MAD AS HELL! AND I’m NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.


24 posted on 11/13/2010 12:45:42 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Brices Crossroads
Where Reagan saw a FUSION of the social issues with the mercantile, or economic issues, Rove and his Establishment friends recommend an AMPUTATION of the social issues (and the constituencies which support them) from the so-called GOP Big Tent.

Precisely. This has been the ever-growing tension with the GOP ever since Reagan and it has cost GOP candidates millions of votes.

As you wrote, Craig Shirley pointed out in the book and Levin re-stated the other night:

"He [Reagan] was defining a new ideology of optimistic and enlightened conservatism that was unsettling to the powers-that-be that ran the Republican party. They didn't understand it, so how could they possibly support it?"
They still don't get it. Sean Hannity, are you listening? Stop pussy-footing around with these people. I, for one, tuned you out months ago.
25 posted on 11/13/2010 12:46:44 PM PST by Al B.
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To: ken21

And IMO Dana Parino is a smart mouthed twit.


26 posted on 11/13/2010 12:49:27 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: PaleoBob

“Hannity is a flawed spokesman for conservatism, true, but he is TIRELESS and does lots and lots of God’s work, especially in election years. By example, he’s the one who put the Obama connections to Rev Wright, Billy and Bernadine out there among the general public and kept pounding away even AFTER the Comrade was elected. Hannity is the kinda critter that just keeps coming. He’s not my fave either but he’s a good man. I’m not turning him off only because he puts someone on the air I don’t agree with.”

I agree with everything you say, except for not turning him off. The Rove episode was the tipping point for me. His regular guests include Perino, Rove and Nicole Wallace, diehard Bushies who don’t have much interesting to say. When you add in Newt Gingrich and Dick Morris and Beckel adn Juan Williams, there really aren’t any conservatives. He should have some one who is conservative and has a spine like Levin or Jeffrey Lord or Tammy Bruce. His show is increasingly becoming like Ted Baxter, Hour 2.

Sometimes you have to wait the entire show to hear someone who is not mouthing GOP or Democrat Establishment talking points. I haven’t got that kind of time. I just turn on my radio and listen to Mark Levin. Fifteen minutes of Levin yields more bang for the Buck than a week of Sean Hannity.

I wish Levin could get on TV. He would be a megastar. there is a real hunger for the kind of intelligent commentary mixed with knee-slapping humor that he provides.

If Hannity would be more like Levin or Rush(not more intelligent; that ain’t happening; but more resolute) his ratings would skyrocket. This dalliance with Rove is hurting him. And I hate to see it.


27 posted on 11/13/2010 12:59:47 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Al B.

Hannity has always been brainless—just repeats lines he hears from other productions. I have never heard him voice an original idea.

I found him boring. Now, when I tuned in and found his huggy buddy Rove mouthing off about candidates that the voters had selected—I turned it off. Hannity is out of my house.

Rove was perturbed because his credibility as an expert was questioned, his candidates were losing in the primaries, and he was losing consultancy income. It is the money loss that has that Rove twit squirming and screaming. He wants his post back as future king maker, and all the perks—which he see slipping from his grasp by tea party success.


28 posted on 11/13/2010 1:01:28 PM PST by petertare (--. of)
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To: jla

Just put a sack over her head and listen to what she has to say.....I don’t care about her hairstyle.

I do enjoy some of the little tidbits she knows about from working in the Bush WH. For that reason alone, I will listen to her and Rove occasionally. Not a steady diet of them, tho.
I cannot stand that Beckle liar. He is just a dem spinner and I don’t like that Hannity gives him air time to promote the Obama theories and excuses.....Let him go on MSNBC where he belongs! Hannity is supposed to be Conservative, so why give these leftists the podium?

Hannity should be giving us more Conservative views and people who can inspire our side to do the hard task at hand for this country.
I like Hannity but he has gotten lazy about choosing his guests.
Look at all the folks Greta puts on. I like her show more than Hannity at this time. She puts some work into it and it shows.


29 posted on 11/13/2010 1:02:45 PM PST by IceAge
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To: Al B.

No doubt about it, Al. Levin absolutely gets it. He was there with Reagan during the First Revolution. He knows what the Establishment varmints will do before they do it. He needs to have a sit-down with Hannity and explain to Sean the facts of life. Honestly, it is as much for Hannity’s own good as it is for the Conservative Cause. I have tuned him out as well.


30 posted on 11/13/2010 1:03:47 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: petertare

“Rove was perturbed because his credibility as an expert was questioned, his candidates were losing in the primaries, and he was losing consultancy income. It is the money loss that has that Rove twit squirming and screaming. He wants his post back as future king maker, and all the perks—which he see slipping from his grasp by tea party success.”

Which is exactly why he tries at every turn to knife Palin. She sees him for what he is and he knows that when she becomes President, his days as a consultant or even a talking head are over, finished, kaput. He has to try to stop her now. For him, that means stopping the Tea party as well.


31 posted on 11/13/2010 1:07:29 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads
More than just Rove, all roads from the Establishment lead to the Bush family interests, unfortunately. None of them can tolerate someone like Palin who has the potential to put Reagan's "new Republican majority" back in business.

Reagan's abiding miscalculation, as you've discussed before, was putting daddy on the ticket in 1980 instead of someone -- like Paul Laxalt -- more attuned to Reagan's vision for the party.

I understand the political calculation Reagan used in making that decision. In retrospect, he sewed the seeds of a tremendous problem for conservatives.

32 posted on 11/13/2010 1:16:01 PM PST by Al B.
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To: Al B.

If I could hit the rewind button for one decision of the Gipper’s, it would have been to pick Laxalt for VP in 1980. Smiling down on us, I bet Reagan regrets it as well.

Laxalt wouldn’t have hurt him at all. The GOP Establishment was already trying to destroy Regan with John Anderson. WHat more could they have done? But i guess he didn’t know it at the time. And Reagan had never run nationally before so he didn’t have that experience. He was a little unsure of himself at Detroit, and I guess that is understandable, given the Anderson thing and the Mary Dent Crisp walkout.

Palin’s experience in 2008, as well as with the CBC in Alaska leading up to her election as Governor, has given her the necessary experience in “skinning RINOs” as Jim Rob so aptly put it. I am sure she will pick a solid conservative.


33 posted on 11/13/2010 1:23:37 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Why are we turning on Hannity who has done more for conservatives than anyone else over the years (and our soldiers)? I enjoy listening to Rove though generally disagree with most of what he says. Dano Perino was good initially but has since become centrist. Mark Levine is my favorite.


34 posted on 11/13/2010 1:30:35 PM PST by bronxville
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To: Brices Crossroads

Rove was the first to use the term “compassionate conservative”. Like we need to qualify our compassion. To hell with Rove. He’s RINO maker.


35 posted on 11/13/2010 1:39:51 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: Brices Crossroads
Hannity is enthusiasm, not depth. I tuned him out a long time ago because I had the sneaking suspicion that he would be real happy to become the “conservative” voice of the RINO crowd. I forget what it was, but it was something he had a run in with Coulter over that gave me that impression about five years ago.

Regard

36 posted on 11/13/2010 1:42:50 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: bronxville

“Why are we turning on Hannity who has done more for conservatives than anyone else over the years (and our soldiers)?”

Two points:

First, I am not turning on him. I am giving him some advice without which he risks a “ratings crater” from which he may never recover. Hopefully, he reads FR like Levin does, and heeds it.

Second, he has not done more for conservatives than anyone. Not close. Rush has done more. Far, far more. Levin hasn’t been on the air as long but he has done more since he has been on the air. And he did more when he was working to elect Reagan and then working for him as President. That is just two. there are many others who have done a lot more than Hannity. He basically functions as GOP cheerleader first, conservative second.


37 posted on 11/13/2010 1:43:20 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: stockpirate

Hannity has always been the “buttboy” for the GOP


38 posted on 11/13/2010 1:45:56 PM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I admire and am encouraged by his enthusiasm and dedication to the conservative cause.

However,

When he brings NG, DP, or KR around, I disappear; and don’t come running back.

There are a WHOLE HOST of NEW FRESH CONSERVATIVE voices just waiting to be heard, Mr. Hannity.

Play the new sounds ( think Dick Clark ).


39 posted on 11/13/2010 1:50:24 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: Brices Crossroads

“He sent Captain Anderson in a flying gallop to Old Carrollville with orders to, ‘Tell Bell to move up fast and fetch all he’s got.’”

- Andrew Lytle


40 posted on 11/13/2010 2:05:59 PM PST by society-by-contract
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To: Brices Crossroads
Agreed, its time for Karl to sit in the back of the bus.
Reagan coalition had “balance”, and it was electable.

Those fiscal conservatives are single issue, and in
reality what impact have they had for the past 40 years?
Look at our fiscal house now, its worse than ever, they
are part of the problem. Don't get me wrong, I fashion
myself a fiscal conservative, but not proud of beating
we have taken.

Ignore the main media, our opinion is right crowd,
Reagan did and spoke straight to the American people
and was a winner.

Native teapartier

41 posted on 11/13/2010 2:07:23 PM PST by Mayray (Barack Almighty, rejected at home, and now in Asia!)
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To: petertare

Brainless. Repetitive. I am a Reagan Conservative. I am a Reagan Conservative. I am a Reagan Conservative. I am a
Reagan Conservative.

I don’t dislike him. I know he has done some good things, but shallow and repetitive.


42 posted on 11/13/2010 2:07:39 PM PST by Bayou Dittohead
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To: Al B.

Interesting, you know also that Reagan was the guy who ordered us out of Beruit, instead of ordering us to go in and get the stinking little bastards with napalm and carpet bombing.

We can win. But we can never win without an absolute resolve, to win.

Am I a sacrifice for nothing? Or, are we going to kill these guys for real?
.
Lay low. We’re going ten miles northeast. Anybody you see you shoot and kill. Say it! I don’t hear you.

Alright, now stay down and do exactly what I do. But most of all.do not speak. Is that clear! Ok

123
Fu!
Fu!
Fu!
Drive On! Ok, here we go, Giddyup


43 posted on 11/13/2010 2:10:12 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Bayou Dittohead

“I don’t dislike him. I know he has done some good things, but shallow and repetitive”

Let me be kind. Sean Hannity has to rely more on his guests to generate viewership. Levin and Limbaugh don’t need the guests. In fact guests get in their way. They are both, in fact, better than any guest. Sean has to bring in some better talent, guestwise, than Perino, Wallace, etc or people will stop wasting time waiting for the occasional interesting person. If conservatives see Rove, they will turn Hannity off out of spite.

That will be too bad because he is a decent guy and I think his heart is in the right place.


44 posted on 11/13/2010 2:14:19 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: ken21

Neither is Dana Perrino.


45 posted on 11/13/2010 2:17:00 PM PST by dforest
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To: Brices Crossroads

I stopped watching Fox this week after repeated appearances by Rove.

Now I am getting my news almost exclusively from the Internet.


46 posted on 11/13/2010 2:22:57 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Woo-Hoo Brices Crossorads!

Love the Reagan excerpts from Craig Shirley’s “must own and treasure” book.

I’m not certain whether Hannity is in charge of naming his guests, at least not the repetitive “Fox News Analysts” like Rove, that horrid Nicole Wallace, Dana Perrino and the totally disgusting Bob Beckel. I’m also tired of Jaun Williams.

I do not listen to his radio show, so TV is it for me. I think he or someone from his crew reads FR, so I think you can rest assured that your “suggestions” and this piece, have a good chance of making their way to Sean Hannity, whom, like you, I also like very much.

Sean is always gracious and fair to Sarah Palin and I appreciate and enjoy his interviews with her. I also think that Sean *is* a Reagan conservative, but he’s a New Yorker too, so he’s always simpatico to Republicans in the East, like Rudy Guiliani and now Chris Christie.

I say RAWHIDE and GO SARAH! Bring us back to CONSTITUTIONAL COMMON SENSE!


47 posted on 11/13/2010 3:06:28 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Thanks for the post, Onyx. I am not sure Sean is as sympatico with Freepers as Levin, but his show is too important to allow it to deteriorate.

FR is a good place to get the pulse of the grassroots. Around here, his decision to keep putting Tokyo Rove on is not very popular here or elsewhere in the conservative blogosphere. He should hear it from us now before the ratings sweep does some lasting damage to his ratings.


48 posted on 11/13/2010 3:15:13 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

I stopped watching and listening to Hannity a long time ago-—he’ll suck up to anyone who sucks up to him.


49 posted on 11/13/2010 3:24:12 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: IceAge

A sack over Dana’s head? Never!


50 posted on 11/13/2010 3:42:23 PM PST by jla
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