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Mystery Missiles - Why Are We Stuck on Stupid?
AntiMullah ^ | 11/13/10 | Alan Peters

Posted on 11/13/2010 1:42:55 PM PST by FARS

The video below suggests the mystery missile launch was the USA showing Asia/China and Russia our ability to launch Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM) from a submarine while OBAMBI is in Asia!

Since when has there been ANY doubt we have the capability to do this? That the USA has submarine launch ability to hit China or to hit Russia!

The first, a Pacific launch was 35 miles off Southern California and headed on a North-East - across America trajectory.

The second, shortly after that, was a first ever Atlantic launch and reportedly went up above New York.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: californiamissile; china; contrail; emp; missile; mysterymissle; obama; security
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To: waynesa98
The “missle launch” has been basically proven to be a jet.

Only if you trust the so-called "expertise" of a bird photographer, an anonymous blogger named "Unicorn" who runs an anonymous pseudoscience blog and the liberals who run Snopes.
51 posted on 11/13/2010 2:26:08 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: ClearCase_guy
Bottomline: our government is not trustworthy.

...and "it lit up the sky" CBS is...

52 posted on 11/13/2010 2:26:25 PM PST by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: jimbo123

I can report that it didn’t impact with my house, so all is well.


53 posted on 11/13/2010 2:27:19 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Thanks for the link. I’m not sure how he is positive he saw the exact same thing, since he was not 35 miles out at sea (at least I assume he does not drive 53 miles out at sea).


54 posted on 11/13/2010 2:27:35 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: LucyT
Obama's history, education and experience will ensure that many things will always be beyond his grasp. He may never have changed a lightbulb in his life and would certainly fall short at changing the spark plug in a lawnmower.

He is only able to see much of reality in the abstract, it's all just a big computer game for him.

55 posted on 11/13/2010 2:27:41 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
If it was an aircraft, why haven’t we seen a similar contrail every day around the same time?

They have.. there was, the very next day.

Atmospheric conditions have to be correct to make the contrails.. To make it look like a missile, you have to have the sun at just the right angle.

56 posted on 11/13/2010 2:28:11 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Drago

Contrail “Science”, written by an anonymous blogger named “Unicorn”? What kind of scientist is “Unicorn”?


57 posted on 11/13/2010 2:28:35 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: LucyT

I thought the same thing when I saw that story. Coincidence? I doubt it.


58 posted on 11/13/2010 2:29:44 PM PST by mojitojoe (In it’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: jimbo123
"What kind of scientist is “Unicorn”?"

Apparently a rather contemplative, logical one!

59 posted on 11/13/2010 2:31:38 PM PST by Drago
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To: brytlea

Well.. the helicopter that filmed it was pretty much in the same place he was.

He’s a LONG time Freeper... I’ve conversed with him before.

I believe him.

Seeing it LIVE gives a much better perspective than all these photos... even videos.

If you just want to be afrain about something... read about QE2. That’s ACRUALLY happening.


60 posted on 11/13/2010 2:31:38 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Hotlanta Mike
If it was an aircraft, why haven’t we seen a similar contrail every day around the same time?

In case you're not kidding...


61 posted on 11/13/2010 2:31:46 PM PST by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: ResearchMonkey

The most interesting thing to me actually, is the number of people who want everyone to just shut up and stop talking about it. I don’t know what it was and am not even qualified to speculation. However, I’m amazed at the number of FReepers who feel qualified to say the know for a fact iit was an airplane contrail and that those who think otherwise are nuts and moonbats. Heck even Dr. Michio Kaku, while he believes it was probably a contrail, would not say for certain it wasn’t a missile.


62 posted on 11/13/2010 2:32:25 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Link? and who was the FReeper. I need to see what he said.


63 posted on 11/13/2010 2:32:25 PM PST by mojitojoe (In it’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

yeah and what freeper what was his sign up date ?Danny h doesn’t count


64 posted on 11/13/2010 2:32:35 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: FARS

“One senior retired Air Force General “

Who and link, please.


65 posted on 11/13/2010 2:33:06 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Drago

How do you even know “Unicorn” is a scientist?


66 posted on 11/13/2010 2:33:50 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: melancholy
Airliners don't have after-burners, right? Then, what was that flame on top, albeit bright or not?

Airliners do reflect the sunlight very well. You'll notice that in the first part of the video there is no "flame" visible. The "flame" only shows up later when the sky color has deepened to orange and the angle of the sun would have been better for reflecting off the undersides of big aluminium tubes.

67 posted on 11/13/2010 2:34:37 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: silverleaf; ResearchMonkey; Vinnie; jimbo123

ping to post 49


68 posted on 11/13/2010 2:36:04 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: waynesa98

The “missle launch” has been basically proven to be a jet. (by a blogger?)
1 the contrail did not disperse as a rocket would have (the video was pretty short, how do you know how fast it dispersed?)
2 the flame from a rocket motor would have been much brighter. (It was 30+ miles away and well in to flight. You can see the rocket motor as it heads away from the camera)
3 any large missle shows up big time on radar. (probably, unless someone wants you to believe nothing happened)
4 only the usa has ever bult a curise missile with stealth. Rockets with current material science can’t be stealthy.(It was seen by a traffic helicopter, stealth was not its mission)
5 an aviation enthusiast has already figure out the plane. (I am an aviation enthusiast and I say it was an SLBM).


69 posted on 11/13/2010 2:36:32 PM PST by OCC
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To: TexasRedeye
If these were missiles, where did they come down?

South Korea.
I heard Obama bombed over there...
yuk-yuk...

70 posted on 11/13/2010 2:37:15 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: jimbo123; waynesa98
The “missle launch” has been basically proven to be a jet.

Only if you trust the so-called “expertise” of a bird photographer, an anonymous blogger named “Unicorn” who runs an anonymous pseudoscience blog and the liberals who run Snopes

The black ops under Dhimmicrat adminstration seems to have more than there fair share of these aberations.....Flight 800 was a missle and OKC/Murrah had a middle eastern connection but everyone was shut up and nothing was ever done about it....and the public are treated like children.

71 posted on 11/13/2010 2:37:49 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I’m not afraid, as I said, I don’t know what it was, and basically don’t have much of an opinion. I’m concerned about FReepers telling each other they are crazy and to shut up because they disagree about something. I’m concerned when FReepers use the same tactics they decry in liberals, that is marginalize people by making fun of them. It looked like a missile to me, but as I said, I’ve never seen a real missile launch (altho I did get some really cool photos of a night shuttle launch from Delray Beach last year) so my opinion means zip.


72 posted on 11/13/2010 2:39:41 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: FARS

Until new information presents itself, there really is nothing else to say. Let me know when some eyewitnesses from the boats in the area come forward.


73 posted on 11/13/2010 2:40:11 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: FARS; All
Missile Truthers.

I am so tired of this idiocy. But obviously not tired enough to quit responding to it.

Repeat after me: Airplane contrail.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

74 posted on 11/13/2010 2:40:26 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: FARS

The homogeneity of the contrail argues against an airplane.
The atmosphere is rarely moist enought throughout its depth to display such a thick and uninterrupted contrail. (Former Meteorologist here folks)

Further, an aircraft contrail doesn’t produce such a thick single plume as is indicated by the video. This is so obviously a missile plume that the airplane theory has to laughed off the page.

The question remains: Who and Why?


75 posted on 11/13/2010 2:40:42 PM PST by CARTOUCHE
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To: jimbo123
an anonymous blogger named "Unicorn" who runs an anonymous pseudoscience blog

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

Where, btw, a better fit than flight808 is being put forward....UPS902 Hawaii to Ontario


76 posted on 11/13/2010 2:40:45 PM PST by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: brytlea

I agree with what you said.


77 posted on 11/13/2010 2:41:39 PM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: waynesa98

#7 It was way too slow moving to be a missle. In the amount of time it was on video a missle would have been to orbital velocity and impacting the target. This thing hangs in the sky - just like an airplane cruising at altitude parallel to the earth’s surface would.


78 posted on 11/13/2010 2:41:52 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: bigbob
And what’s the deal on that helo in some of the video - looks like a dual-rotor helo to me, and that’s not what the TV news crews fly.

Chinook. Apart from being a lifter, the Chinook is also (according to the UK Royal Navy) *the* best dipping sonar/ASW platform there is. So in a scramble to find a hiding diesel sub, it would be a natural.

79 posted on 11/13/2010 2:41:58 PM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: jimbo123
How do you even know “Unicorn” is a scientist?

I don't know...don't really care...he/she makes sense & used logical/scientific arguments. I am not playing the "I see your scientist and raise you one "scientist" game...(or "Janes expert" or ???).  Bring physics, optics & contrail facts not so-called "experts".

 

80 posted on 11/13/2010 2:43:44 PM PST by Drago
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To: The Comedian

If you are tired, you should take a nap. Shall I get you a pillow?


81 posted on 11/13/2010 2:43:52 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Cementjungle

Google EMP. Your house would still be there in that case , too. But not much would be well.


82 posted on 11/13/2010 2:43:52 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: jimbo123
Nether the Russians nor the ChiComs would need to "threaten" the Obama administration. They are all on board with each other ("new international order"). Unless it was meant to APPEAR as if their relationship is strained?
83 posted on 11/13/2010 2:44:49 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: CARTOUCHE
The homogeneity of the contrail argues against an airplane. The atmosphere is rarely moist enought throughout its depth to display such a thick and uninterrupted contrail. Further, an aircraft contrail doesn’t produce such a thick single plume as is indicated by the video.

By your statement, it is plainly obvious that you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

84 posted on 11/13/2010 2:45:26 PM PST by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.d)
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To: kanawa

Great illustration!

That shows how the shadow of the contrail happens, the contrail shadow photo is in post 49. A vertical missle contrail would not leave a shadow.

It’s basic high school physics.


85 posted on 11/13/2010 2:46:06 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

exactly - but apparently some really are stuck on stupid


86 posted on 11/13/2010 2:46:28 PM PST by Frapster (Watching my country change one economic sector at a time.)
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To: FARS
One senior retired Air Force General went on solid, experienced record

Who was that?

87 posted on 11/13/2010 2:46:59 PM PST by behzinlea
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.france24.com/en/20090402-russias-medvedev-hails-comrade-obama

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090401/wl_afp/usrussiadiplomacynuclear_20090401152002
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Photobucket
President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
______________________________________________________________

From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
______________________________________________________________

We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
______________________________________________________________

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm

88 posted on 11/13/2010 2:47:02 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You really don't know that anybody is a "nobody" ~ BTW, another guy took a helicopter up, filmed the same plane at the same time the next day, and lo and behold, got a picture of contrails remarkably similar to those the day before.

The conclusion is ~ (1) Missiles are launched on a schedule, (2) It was an airplane, or (3) This was the same Blue UFO previously seen hovering over the Satellite Service headquarters near Centreville VA?

89 posted on 11/13/2010 2:48:23 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Drago

It would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of “experts” who say:

1. Missile

2. Contrail

I don’t have time to do it, but maybe “Unicorn” could do it. He/she/it appears to have a lot of free time.


90 posted on 11/13/2010 2:48:42 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: CARTOUCHE
The atmosphere is rarely moist enought throughout its depth to display such a thick and uninterrupted contrail

If it is flight 808 then it is travelling at a constant altitude, 37000'.
The perception of change in altitude is due to the increase in azimuth as it approaches the observer.

I haven't seen the flight plan of UPS902 yet.

91 posted on 11/13/2010 2:51:27 PM PST by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Probable push-back answer would be specific weather conditions but as you suggest very logically why has that particular set of weather conditions never appeared before?

Or fairly often?

Making this event reasonably familiar over the years and raising no eyebrows.


92 posted on 11/13/2010 2:51:59 PM PST by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive)
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To: brytlea
you are tired, you should take a nap. Shall I get you a pillow?

No, but thanks. You know what I'd like? I'd like you to read this site aloud as a bedtime story.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

93 posted on 11/13/2010 2:52:22 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: TexasRedeye
Wasn't the direction over the ocean? Without good telemetry or transponder, we are more likely than not to never find the remains.

At first, I thought a NK show of force was unlikely, but then, so was our Jimmy Doolittle raid over Tokyo. The incredible can be done.

94 posted on 11/13/2010 2:53:55 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: dynoman
That's what I saw also, moving far too slowly to be a missile.

I believe it is an optical DELUSION by people who want it to be something extraordinary rather than mundane.

You cannot tell what the "trajectory" is from a photograph. You have to be able to see it with some depth perception in order to distinguish between something moving vertically and something moving directly towards you.
95 posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:20 PM PST by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Yes, I can easily say that could be an airplane. I really cannot accept anyone insisting this was a missile, unless they are a missile expert. I don’t think anyone else has a basis to get all worked up about it.

As for the aged former under secretary of defense, I think he was glad someone asked him a question.


96 posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:39 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

You didn’t look. Look tomorrow. Or Monday, or someother day, same time, same place ~ this one happens recurringly.


97 posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:45 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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Missile Launches
98 posted on 11/13/2010 2:59:33 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: The Comedian

That would really put me to sleep! Pretty pictures tho. :) Thanks. Don’t you have something more fun, like time travel or something?


99 posted on 11/13/2010 3:00:32 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Hulka

It was a live interview on Fox News. I don’t keep track of those. Still most probably available if you do a search for yourself on Fox videos or You Tube on Nov 9th or the next day. Listen for yourself. I was astonished at how sure he was.


100 posted on 11/13/2010 3:00:46 PM PST by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive)
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