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GOOD LORD, GERALDO IS DOING A TRUTHER SHOW!! (Vanity)
FOX News | November 13, 2010 | self

Posted on 11/13/2010 7:25:07 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla

On tonight's Geraldo Rivera show, he had on a couple of people purporting that 9/11 was an inside job because 'Fire Can't Melt Steel'. At least one was from 9/11 families (I do not know if it was one of the handful of anti-war 9/11 famil;ies or not).

Has Roger Ailes gone crazy!


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KEYWORDS: 911conspiracy; 911truthers; foxnews; geraldo; moonbats; paulbots; truthers; vanity; wacko
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To: jmacusa

Here's a site I hadn't seen before that seems to have plenty of pics/photos/theories.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=161&MMN_position=154:154

There is apparently a case to be made for poor joint design of the core columns (butt welds, all on the same horizontal plane - right where fractures of the columns occurred).

101 posted on 11/14/2010 6:01:05 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Kackikat
It amazes me that they stood so long after being hit by full size airliners. Can you imagine the damage that the hit itself probably did to the entire structure?

Fox, Please Fire Gerhaldo! I promise I will watch much more each week and will again start putting channels at public places on Fox News Like I did in the early days.

102 posted on 11/14/2010 6:26:49 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

He should really give the Flat Earth Society equal time ... fair is fair.


103 posted on 11/14/2010 6:33:01 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: BocoLoco
There have been countless other buildings that fell due to raging fires many years prior to 2001. Correct?

Arlington Park, Illinois, 1985.


104 posted on 11/14/2010 6:36:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SeeSharp

Did he really say that? Dear Lord.


105 posted on 11/14/2010 7:12:29 AM PST by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: Kackikat

The Air Force literally has weapons described as “cement bombs”, not explosive blocks of concrete they drop to collapse a house.

Building 7 was struck by parts off the towers (a force of perhaps 5,000 cement bombs). Would there be serious structural damage? Obviuosly.

Ask Jesse Ventura what would happen to his fine house if someone dropped a pallet of cement blocks on his house from 500 feet.


106 posted on 11/14/2010 7:16:48 AM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP Obama's Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: cookcounty

That makes a lot of sense, and would explain the way it looked like pancakes dropping internally....thanks.


107 posted on 11/14/2010 7:20:37 AM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: BocoLoco; 50mm

Oh darn, I missed it.. it looks like the troofer learned that not only does fire melt steel, but it zots trolls.

Troofers are maroons.


108 posted on 11/14/2010 7:20:50 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

109 posted on 11/14/2010 7:23:58 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: FreeAtlanta

“I will watch much more each week and will again start putting channels at public places on Fox News Like I did in the early days.”

Great idea.


110 posted on 11/14/2010 7:40:30 AM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: Paladin2

And your theory is what, exactly? The ‘’truth’’ is heat(and gravity) bought down the Trade Center. Not explosives.


111 posted on 11/14/2010 7:47:10 AM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa

Poor joint design including poor weld design and poor weld materials helped the collapse proceed apace.


112 posted on 11/14/2010 8:09:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Geraldo and his buddies are living proof there's no cure for stupid .

When people hear Geraldo speak it makes them feel like they are mental giants .

113 posted on 11/14/2010 8:11:35 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLENN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: BocoLoco; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
I don’t care if the government “aided” in any of the attacks. I don’t care if Al Qaeda were involved.

Truther BocoLoco ZOT!

To be added or removed from the VK list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

114 posted on 11/14/2010 9:55:52 AM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm

Yeah I saw that last night and had to go back to make sure that is what he was doing. What a loon. He is the main reason I do not watch Fox on the weekends.


115 posted on 11/14/2010 10:02:08 AM PST by ColdOne (Repeal HealthCare......Just say NO!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

This is surprising, coming from the man who spent weeks hyping the opening of “Al Capone’s vault,” only to find it empty? He’s never had any credibility. What a doofus.


116 posted on 11/14/2010 10:05:16 AM PST by Monkey Face (Atheism is a non-prophet organization.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
9/11 was an inside job because 'Fire Can't Melt Steel'.

Arrrrrrggghh!!!

That is the STOO-PID-IST comment anyone can make.
How do these MORONS think steel is made in the first place?

And not to get technical -- but I will -- if 'fire can't melt steel' they WHY do these asshats think that FIRE PROOFING is applied to steel when a building is being constructed? It surely is not for aesthetic reasons as fire proofing is butt ugly material. AND, when it's the spray on type, it's application is uneven, the minimum thickness being 1½"

117 posted on 11/14/2010 10:16:03 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: 50mm

Ah, the smell of ozone! IATZ


118 posted on 11/14/2010 10:20:04 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's Easy! Use FR to Pimp Your Blog!)
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To: Paladin2; Kackikat; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"The combination of the two likely contributed to the ease of each floor pancaking onto the one below."

Those floor connectons were welded ONLY? (No bolts or rivets?) Your observation makes excellent sense to me...

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My instantaneous reaction to the initiation of the collapse (I saw it live) was that there were internal demo charges. That lasted only a few milliseconds -- long enough for three or so floors to pancake.

Then I recognized that it was the air between floors being compressed and "squeezed out" by the "piston effect" of the falling upper floors -- and escaping laterally in a big puff of air that only looked like a low VOD explosion. That first, erroneous impression was very fleeting -- then I started watching the four corner verticals slowly spread apart as they guided floor after floor straight down and through that same pancake compression sequence.

At some point, the weight and inertia of the falling "floor stack" overcame the strength of those same floor bracket attachments even on lower, undamaged floors, and the "chain reaction" continued all the way down.

No magic. No sabotage. No explosives. Just heat-weakened steel, gravity, physics -- and the gas laws -- at work...

119 posted on 11/14/2010 10:23:37 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: BocoLoco
Ride the lightening bocoloco.


120 posted on 11/14/2010 10:29:57 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Work harder than ever for 2012.)
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To: BocoLoco
Read my #119,,,

I was just completing a multi-year study of the collapse of the Murrah Building (that was highly critical of the government) when I saw the WTC collapse(s).

No mystery or subterfuge there in NYC; just the laws of physics at work,,,

121 posted on 11/14/2010 10:34:12 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Arrowhead1952; BocoLoco; 50mm
Ride the lightening bocoloco.

And I do believe that sort of lightning will melt steel. ;-)

Is BocoLoco a Ron Paultard, I wonder?

122 posted on 11/14/2010 10:35:02 AM PST by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Dang. I always miss the fun stuff...


123 posted on 11/14/2010 10:38:36 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Allegra

Since August 24, 2010. I never saw the name before today. Loco in his name could be a clue though.


124 posted on 11/14/2010 10:47:20 AM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Paladin2

How do you know this? Are you an engineer? High intense heat destroyed The Trade Center. No one takes into consideration of the condition of the fire proofing material that was coating the steel. Most of it was gone in the years since construction was complete and I can tell you from experience, as the Trade Center was being built, the fire-proofing was being applied in the open. This is a matter largely over-looked in all the conspiracies and other bs. The design of the Trade Center consisted of supporting load-baring columns forming the outside perimeter of the building(200 yards by 200 yrds.) and re-enforced concrete core/elevator shaft. The floors were carried on trusses. Several large corregated steel’’ pans’’ however many per floor with re-bar filled in with concrete and viola, you have a floor. The tenant later modifies and designs their space as they want . Replicate that 110 time per building and that was The Trade Center.


125 posted on 11/14/2010 10:47:50 AM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: Fresh Wind

That is a very disturbing image...


126 posted on 11/14/2010 11:05:17 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: 50mm

FINALLY!


127 posted on 11/14/2010 11:06:13 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: jmacusa

Gravity destroyed the WTC towers. ( I actually used to be a metallurgist doing failure analysis way back in the day, fwiw.)


128 posted on 11/14/2010 11:21:19 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: little jeremiah
That is a very disturbing image...

It's every bit as disturbing as seeing Whoraldo on TV.

129 posted on 11/14/2010 11:23:16 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: Fresh Wind

Thankfully, I have only had a TV about 2 years in my adult life, and have never seen Whoraldo on it. The last time I had a TV was when Clintoon was being imeached.

That’s about 40 yrs of being TV-free!


130 posted on 11/14/2010 11:54:23 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: 50mm

Well, maybe he can do a birther show while he is at it. Nah. He’d never do that.


131 posted on 11/14/2010 12:08:37 PM PST by beckysueb
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To: Allegra

My neighbor told us yesterday that he was flying his small plane several years ago, and there was a thunderstorm about 25 miles away. He watched the lightening hit the ground and samll bolts shot out and went everywhere.


132 posted on 11/14/2010 12:12:36 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Work harder than ever for 2012.)
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To: TXnMA

Absolutely. I believe a couple of those people on Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory, like that pilot aren’t rational, or totaly truthful.

I do think the FBI got back the black boxes from Airplanes, however in that hot an atmosphere, it is possible they were too damaged, and claiming they had them but no info would look like a conspiracy....so that one I can’t explain, why the 9/11 commission would lie about that.

However 9/11 commission did lie about Sadaam Hussein’s Republican Guard meeting with Al Queda members, there was at least one meet that was proven. Another lie is that NO WMDs were found, because we had several threads about the yellow cake found in Iraq, that Bush soldiers sat on, until it could be removed and shipped to Canada, and sold to a Canadian Company. It was type used to build nuclear weapons.

There was an article on Canada Free Press, and AP revealing that info in 2008. No media actually reported on it, because they were too busy saying none were ever found, and even Bush has kept quiet about it. It was discovered close to Iran border.

Link to article:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3869

NOW FOR SATELLITE PICS, there was a satellite pic before we attacked Iraq showing truck convoys entering Syria from Iraq, because we gave Sadaam a 6 mo notice we were coming. I saw those satellite pics on the news, and I am appalled that they were only played one or two times. Any moveable WMD or chemical warfare barrels were transported to Syria, it was clear what was taking place. Those weren’t mattresses, or towels being escorted to Syria.

NATO has rules of war engagement countries have agreed to after WWII, and we need to throw them in the trash, it’s damaging our troops, and our freedom. No enemy should get a 6 month warning that we are coming, how stupid! Bush had no choice, and American’s do not realize how we are gagged and bound by treaties, and our enemies. We still beat the jackar$$es, with one hand tied behind our back! And they say there is NO GOD...HA!


133 posted on 11/14/2010 12:13:08 PM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: Paladin2

Yes gravity bought down The Trade Center. High intense heat began the process. Not explosives as some suggest.


134 posted on 11/14/2010 1:20:19 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: 50mm; BocoLoco

Justice served!

135 posted on 11/14/2010 1:37:03 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Shhh. It's more fun to point at them and laugh.

LOL, you're right.

136 posted on 11/14/2010 2:03:16 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: BocoLoco

This account has been banned or suspended.
Okay
You Got Banned!
Aww Gee....
Poor Widdle Twoll
Him Got Banned


BocoLoco! You NitWit!
You can't even spell you name correctly!

It's spelled BocaLoco!
(Crazy Mouth! And it fits you well)


137 posted on 11/14/2010 3:31:32 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: BocoLoco


And Another One Bites The Dust

138 posted on 11/14/2010 4:10:11 PM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: 50mm

I was starting to regret posting the thread when he showed up, but I guess it was useful in the great, never-ending Troll Hunt. Thanks.


139 posted on 11/14/2010 4:11:46 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Fire is the only thing I can think of that melts steel!


140 posted on 11/14/2010 4:54:47 PM PST by vigilante2 (Reelect Nobody)
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To: BocoLoco

What kind of drugs are you on?

IATZ!


141 posted on 11/14/2010 4:57:38 PM PST by vigilante2 (Reelect Nobody)
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To: 50mm

Good riddance to bad rubbish.


142 posted on 11/14/2010 5:54:45 PM PST by samtheman
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To: BocoLoco
Fire doesn't melt steel? That you, Rosie?


143 posted on 11/14/2010 6:17:04 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: Clinging Bitterly

>> That you, Rosie?

Thought that was Joey Buttafuco...


144 posted on 11/14/2010 6:18:23 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: 50mm; BocoLoco

Well, he lived up to the last four letters of his username...


145 posted on 11/14/2010 6:33:45 PM PST by bcsco
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To: norwaypinesavage; All

Problem is the Towers DID NOT FALL IN 9 SECONDS! GOT IT?

At the risk of being REDUNDANT... I will give you access to the same information I provided “BocoLoco” ... for YOUR education in facts to begin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4&feature=player_embedded#!

DEBUNKING 9-11 MYTHS:

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm


146 posted on 11/14/2010 7:09:11 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: TCH

Stop yelling. So the towers fell 20 to 30 percent slower than a rock in a vacuum. That would be expected. There are air resistance, metal shear, cement crush, and other things that held it up in the first place. What are you trying to prove?


147 posted on 11/14/2010 7:21:04 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Paladin2; All

“There is apparently a case to be made for poor joint design of the core columns (butt welds, all on the same horizontal plane - right where fractures of the columns occurred).”

Those are perimeter columns, not core columns. The only locations where bolted joints were located in the same plane occurred at three different levels, called “mechanical floors.” However, at these locations the joints were also welded.

WTC1 (North Tower) Impact zone: Floors 94-97
Perimeter columns destroyed: 31-36 of 60 (240 total for all four sides)

WTC2 (South Tower) Impact zone: Floors 78-84
Perimeter columns destroyed 23 of 60 (240 columns total),
including a corner.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf

“The mechanical floors are 7-9, 41-43, 75-77, and 108-110, which are all beam framed floors. In each group of three floors, the upper and lower floors are type 12 and the middle floor is type 13 (mechanical mezzanine). The mechanical mezzanines were 50% open (no floor) outside the core so the floor area is 15,448.5 sq ft.”

So, for both WTC1 (the North Tower) and WTC2 (The South Tower) the impact zones did not include a mechanical floor. Thus at no point within the impact zone was bolting within a single plane involved.

The perimeter columns were modular assemblies grouped together in sets of three. The bolting of these units was not in the same plane but staggered. Since the perimeter steel columns were not welded, but bolted, the bolt connections would act like plastic hinges until tension stresses created by the sagging floor membranes (cantinary action) caused sheer failure.

Interesting to note that for WTC2 (South Tower) the second of the twin towers to be struck, but the first to first collapse, the 81st Floor was the first floor to fail and initiate the collapse. That floor housed 12 elevator hoists (weighing 24 tons each) that cover 1/2 the floor space.

For the idiots who choose to believe that demolition charges were involved, here is a good rebuttal to your insanity:

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf


148 posted on 11/14/2010 8:12:19 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: FreeAtlanta

A fair attempt to calculate the energy involved is located here:

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Although the 500,000 ton weight of each building has since been demonstrated to be incorrect:

Analysis of the Mass and Potential Energy of World Trade Center Tower 1

Gregory H. Urich
B.S. Electrical and Computer Engineering

1 Abstract

The mass and potential energy of one of the Twin Towers is calculated based on available data. The mass for each floor is established based on floor types, documented design loads, and estimated in-service live loads. The calculated mass of 288,100 metric tons (317,500 short tons) is found to correspond with two other comparable structures in terms of mass per unit floor area, NIST’s SAP2000 model, and the reported amount of recovered debris. The calculated mass refutes the popular notion that the building weighed 500,000 tons.


149 posted on 11/14/2010 8:21:59 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: jmacusa; All

Core Construction

Each tower contained an inner core of rectangular shape, and composed of 47 steel box-beam columns that supported 60 percent of the building’s gravity load. The core also provided an enclosure for the elevators, emergency stairwells, and the various support systems that served each tower. These systems included: utility, communications, HVAC, and the automatic and manual fire-suppression supply manifolds. The clustering of all these essential systems within the core proved to be a fatal design flaw.

Core box-columns were not continuously symmetrical; but rather, their cross-sections varied with height. Lower columns, measuring 14 inches wide by 36 inches deep, transitioned into heavy rolled wide-flange stock that became progressively lighter with height. A continuous steel channel, welded to the main columns, encircled the perimeter of the inner core at each floor level. Flanged seats, welded to the perimeter channel beam, served as bearing points for the upper chord of each floor truss.

The core area of each tower encompassed 99 service elevators, several freight elevators, and three independent emergency stairwells. Each stairwell served as the location for the automatic and manual fire suppression supply-manifolds, however these lines were not provided with hardened protection.

Stairwells did not run within continuous vertical shafts, but used transfer corridors, which traversed the length of the core at several floors. Zoned smoke control was built into each building’s ventilation system, and was activated through the responding FDNY Incident Commander. The system was designed to limit smoke spread from the tenant areas into the core area.

Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolitions, Incorporated, knew immediately that both towers were doomed to collapse: The buildings were hit low, they were of an open-span design—no reinforced concrete, only sheetrock on steel, and two-thirds of their external load-bearing columns were destroyed. Thousands of pounds of paper were mixed with jet fuel, and supplied with plenty of oxygen from the winds, high up—so plenty of ventilation for a really hot fire that will spread everywhere immediately. Progressive collapse was inevitable. Loizeaux tried to warn the FDNY, but all line and cellular phone circuits were busy—he could not get through.

Fire Proofing

Structural elements of WTC 1 were originally fireproofed with an asbestos product up to the 39th floor. However, these materials were later removed or encapsulated, and a spray-applied coating was subsequently used on all floors of both towers. The coating was a low-density factory-mixed product, consisting of manufactured inorganic fibers, cement binders, and additives to promote wetting, set, and dust control. Air, hydraulic, and ceramic setting binders were added at the site, depending on application and weather conditions. Water was added at the spray nozzle, as the material was applied.

Spandrels and girders were specified to a 3-hour fire rating. The interior face of perimeter columns was protected with a fire-rated plaster, but the remaining surfaces were protected with the spray-on coating. Thickness of spray-on protection varied, with more massive columns having less and the lighter elements receiving a heavier coating.

Each element of the floor trussing was protected. The average thickness of fireproofing was ¾ inches, but in the mid 1990’s, a decision was made to upgrade the protection by applying additional coating to a thickness of 1 and ½ inches. By September 11, 2001, thirty-one stories in the north tower had been upgraded, including the entire impact zone. Within the impact zone of the south tower only the 78th floor was upgraded.

Stairwells and elevator shafts were encased in 5/8-inch gypsum board, supported by metal studs: two layers composed the outer wall, and one layer formed the inner wall. This encasement provided the 2-hour fire rating stipulated within the New York City performance codes. (In 1968, the requirement for a smoke-proof masonry stairwell was eliminated from the New York building code.)

FIRE RESISTANCE RATINGS

The American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) determines fire resistance ratings. However, such ratings are based on laboratory tests, which are comparative only, and the rating of a particular material is not intended to predict its actual performance. Hourly fire ratings should not be thought to indicate a specific duration that the building assembly will withstand collapse in an actual fire. ASTM procedures measure only thermal properties, and structural connections are not evaluated [Table 4 and 5]. Problems cited with the current fire rating methods used by the ASTM are as follows:

1.) Laboratory-controlled tests are performed under ideal standardized scenarios that do not match typical fire conditions.
2.) Laboratory scenarios measure only the nominal ‘fire load’ predicted to exist within a structure; i.e.: the amount of combustible material already in the building. These analyses do not anticipate additional sources of energy.
3.) In calculating material longevity, laboratory testing does not anticipate the sudden intensity of fires.
4.) Laboratory testing does not anticipate the added stress of structural damage.

PERFORMANCE CODES
A performance code specifies a particular fire rating, and not a type or size of material to be used in a building’s construction. Fire protection in accordance with performance codes is based on laboratory test that have no correlation with actual fires. In his 1976 book, High Rise, Fire and Life Safety, Fire Commissioner John O’Hagan, FDNY (Ret), listed several serious fire-safety issues for buildings constructed post 1970:

1.) Sheet rock and spray-on fireproofing are insufficient protection.
2.) Surfaces must be thoroughly clean for adhesion of spray-on coatings.
3.) Spray-on protection is applied inconsistently, with great variance. The light-weight material is easily knocked off, or dislodged from beams and columns by electrical, plumbing and HVAC tradesmen, when performing finish work.
4.) Large open spaces allow faster spread of fire.
5.) Synthetic furnishings produce more heat and smoke.

Each of these concerns manifested themselves in the WTC fires of September 11, 2001.

There is great controversy over the collapse of the WTC towers, and the process of civil litigation is now ongoing between the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey—the developer-owner and the surviving relatives of those killed in the collapse. Controversial though they may be, there are several aspects of the WTC fireproofing that require further scrutiny. The central issue is whether fire code practice was properly followed and verified during the construction of the WTC towers. There exists a body of evidence to support questions about whether fireproofing was properly done—if done at all.

During the initial construction there were reports that the structural steel was allowed to rust on site. The degraded surface condition of the steel would have made the application of spray-on fireproofing a futile endeavor. Spray-on mineral-based materials require absolutely clean surfaces for adhesion, but there are allegations that the fireproofing was applied over the rust. Additionally, and perhaps more telling, there were years of extensive litigation between the Port Authority and U.S. Minerals Product—the manufacturer of the spray-on fireproofing material, Blaze Shield-D.

There is also some bloody intrigue surrounding the contractor responsible for the application of fireproofing. Louis DiBono, a reputed member of the Gambino crime family, was paid $2.8 million to fireproof the steel in the WTC. The man, once described by the FBI as being a poor business manager whose construction companies “lost a great deal of money,” had been accused of shoddy workmanship. However we shall never hear his side of the story because, in October of 1990, Louis DiBono was gunned down in the parking garage of the north tower. John Gotti was later convicted of ordering the hit.

Leslie Robertson, the WTC project structural engineer, previously expressed doubts over the wisdom of using steel rods rather than bars for the floor truss webbing. Robertson pondered whether spray-on material would adhere to the 1-inch diameter cylindrical members, that the rods may not hold the spray-on fire protection as well as angled bars. But the contractor could save money by using rod stock, which was a factory-produced item—and cheaper. In the end, the project structural engineer approved the stock item for use.

Leslie Robertson has noted that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey was exceptionally profit-minded: …This wasn’t corporate headquarters—a monument building, it was a moneymaking proposition. Being “exceptionally profit-minded” the Port Authority would be in a rather compromising position, since by 1973, the WTC project costs had already reached $800 million—a 60 percent budget overrun.

The Port Authority was a bi-state agency, and as such, was not subject to New York City fire regulations or inspections. According to Alan Reiss, former Director of the WTC, the Port Authority had a policy of complying with NYC fire codes and inspection procedures. However, there is increasing testimony to the contrary.

In December of 1975, Richard Klein accompanied structural engineer Fred Chang through the south tower, while the interior was still being completed. The reason for the visit was to perform inspections of the beams and columns, and to examine the 10,000 visco-elastic dampers installed by 3M Company. Mr. Klein has publicly stated that there was no fireproofing insulation on the majority of the beam and column members.

In 1992, Roger G. Morse, an architect who specializes in forensic and environmental investigations of buildings, inspected the floor joists in the north and south towers. The absence of fireproofing was so blatant that Morse did not report it immediately—thinking it had been omitted intentionally, in favor of some other method of fire safety: The fireproofing was thin or missing virtually everywhere I checked.

Following the 1993 bombing, an upgrade was made to the fireproofing material to increase its thickness from ¾ inch to 1 and ½ inches. On September 11, 2001, only 31 of 220 floors had been upgraded. Eighteen floors in the north tower, including all of the impact area, and 13 floors in the south tower. However, the 78th floor was the only section upgraded in the impact area of the south tower.

Inspections performed on core columns in the south tower by Roger Morse, as recently as June of 2000, revealed that much of the fireproofing material was peeled off. During a hearing before the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which was conducted in the summer of 2002, Morse testified that the fireproofing was frequently insufficient or else non-existent. Morse had originally presented photographic evidence of his findings at a seminar held in December of 2001 [Fig. 33]. Frederick Mowrer, Associate Professor of Fire Protection Engineering at the University of Maryland, arranged this seminar.

In September of 2001, in the days following the attacks, John Connar of MIT, quoted Ron Hamburger—the co-author of the FEMA WTC Building Performance Study, regarding the condition of fireproofing materials found in other WTC structures: “When I visited the site, I went through the American Express and the Bankers Trust buildings, and saw large chunks of the fireproofing in those buildings knocked off—and that was only by falling debris, not by an airplane hit…”

On October 25, 2002, an investigation conducted by Weidlinger Associates, and contracted by the WTC leaseholder—Silverstein Properties, exonerated the floor truss design and the fireproofing material. The conclusions reached were:

1.) Fire temperatures on the impact floors were between 750 and 1300 degrees F.
2.) The collapse of WTC 1 and 2 was due to the failure of the columns alone, and independent of the floor trussing system.
3.) The floors survived the initial impacts, except for localized damage.
4.) Failure was due to lost fireproofing, or because of columns destroyed on impact.
5.) The WTC fire inspection program represented a greater standard of care.

However, on November 18, 2002, during a lecture given at Northwestern University, Dr. W. Gene Corley, Senior V.P. of Construction Technology Laboratories, Incorporated, stated that much of the fireproofing within WTC 1 and 2 was not secured strongly enough to withstand the impacts. Gene Corley was a central member of the investigation team during the Weidlinger study, contracted by Silverstein Properties for insurance purposes. Dr Corley noted that fireproofing, an aspect the architect designs, was ultimately the problem.


150 posted on 11/14/2010 8:48:59 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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