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Avoid Social Issues, GOP Urged (Homosexualists, Pro-Aborts Co-opt Tea Party Movement)
Politico ^ | Sunday, November 14, 2010 | Ben Smith and Byron Tau

Posted on 11/14/2010 3:38:40 PM PST by kristinn

A gay conservative group and some Tea Party leaders are campaigning to keep social issues off the Republican agenda.

In a letter to be released Monday, the group GOProud and leaders from groups like the Tea Party Patriots and the New American Patriots, will urge Republicans in the House and Senate to keep their focus on shrinking the government.

"On behalf of limited-government conservatives everywhere, we write to urge you and your colleagues in Washington to put forward a legislative agenda in the next Congress that reflects the principles of the Tea Party movement," they write to presumptive House Speaker John Boehner and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell in an advance copy provided to POLITICO. "This election was not a mandate for the Republican Party, nor was it a mandate to act on any social issue."

The letter's signatories range from GOProud's co-founder and Chairman Christopher Barron — a member of a group encouraging Dick Cheney to run for president and who has been known to post images of his bare torso to Twitter — to Tea Party leaders with no particular interest in the gay rights movement.

As of Sunday evening, the letter had 17 signatories. They include tea party organizers, conservative activists and media personalities from across the country, including radio host Tammy Bruce, bloggers Bruce Carroll, Dan Blatt and Doug Welch, and various local coordinators for the Tea Party Patriots and other tea party groups.

"When they were out in the Boston Harbor, they weren't arguing about who was gay or who was having an abortion," said Ralph King, a letter signatory who is a Tea Party Patriots national leadership council member, as well as an Ohio co-coordinator.

King said he signed onto the letter because GOProud seemed to be genuine in pushing for fiscal conservatism and limited government.

"Am I going to be the best man at a same sex-marriage wedding? That's not something I necessarily believe in," said King. "I look at myself as pretty socially conservative. But that's not what we push through the Tea Party Patriots."

That indifference is essentially the point of the gay conservative group.

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TEXT OF LETTER

Dear Senator McConnell and Representative Boehner

On behalf of limited government conservatives everywhere we write to urge you and your colleagues in Washington to put forward a legislative agenda in the next Congress that reflects the principles of the Tea Party movement.

Poll after poll confirms that the Tea Party’s laser focus on issues of economic freedom and limited government resonated with the American people on Election Day. The Tea Party movement galvanized around a desire to return to constitutional government and against excessive spending, taxation and government intrusion into the lives of the American people.

The Tea Party movement is a non-partisan movement, focused on issues of economic freedom and limited government, and a movement that will be as vigilant with a Republican-controlled Congress as we were with a Democratic-controlled Congress.

This election was not a mandate for the Republican Party, nor was it a mandate to act on any social issue, nor should it be interpreted as a political blank check.

Already, there are Washington insiders and special interest groups that hope to co-opt the Tea Party’s message and use it to push their own agenda – particularly as it relates to social issues. We are disappointed but not surprised by this development. We recognize the importance of values but believe strongly that those values should be taught by families and our houses of worship and not legislated from Washington, D.C.

We urge you to stay focused on the issues that got you and your colleagues elected and to resist the urge to run down any social issue rabbit holes in order to appease the special interests.

The Tea Party movement is not going away and we intend to continue to hold Washington accountable. Sincerely,

Christopher R Barron
Chairman of the Board, GOProud

Andrew Ian Dodge
Coordinator, Maine Tea Party Patriots

Pam Stevenson
Coordinator, Arizona Tea Party Patriots

Dianna Greenwood
Executive Director, New American Patriots (Ashland, OH)

Jim Mason II
Chairman and State Coordinator, Nebraska’s Tea Party Patriots

Ralph King
Co-coordinator Cleveland Tea Party Patriots
Co-coordinator State of Ohio Tea Party Patriots

Jack Lien
Coordinator, Tea Party Patriots of Great Malls (Montana)

Tammy Bruce
National Radio Talk Show Host

JP Weber
Coordinator, Annapolis (Maryland) Tea Party

Doug Welch,
Blogger and member Southern Illinois Tea Party

Bruce Carroll
Conservative Activist and Blogger

Pam Stout
Coordinator, Sandpoint Idaho Tea Party Patriots

Dan Blatt
Conservative Activist and Blogger

Everett Wilkinson
Coordinator, Florida Tea Party

Jimmy LaSalvia
Executive Director, GOProud

Paul Crockett
President Santa Clara (California) Tea Party
David Thor Andreasen
Cumberland County (Maine) Tea Party


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To: Rome2000
Always worth repeating. Thanks.

if they weren’t half retarded, they would know that the marxist strategy for taking over the USA ties destruction of judeo christian morality along with the destruction of capitalism.

Three-quarters.

51 posted on 11/14/2010 4:36:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe

The candidates I voted for were known pro-life conservatives: Portman, Schmidt, Kasich.

If they hadn’t been, they wouldn’t have gotten my vote.

Homosexuality is anti-life and pro-death for those who practice it.


52 posted on 11/14/2010 4:36:47 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: wagglebee

The abandonment of our Creator, and the principle of the protection of the unalienable rights of ALL of those who are made in His image, is the disease.

The money troubles, the loss of liberty, and the increase in the overweening power of government, are symptoms of that disease.

These people are too unprincipled and/or ignorant to understand that.

No different at all than the people who have controlled the Republican Party for some time.


53 posted on 11/14/2010 4:38:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Here it is in black and white: The pinkos went green 'cause they're too yellow to admit they're red.)
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To: kristinn

Looks like a whole lot of self-appointed tea party “leaders.” Eff ‘em. We don’t need and don’t want any steenking leaders!!

RINOS & CINOS be damed! Full speed ahead!

Rebellion is brewing!!


54 posted on 11/14/2010 4:39:27 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: counterpunch
>>How they run the business of America does.

You suggesting the business of America should be run without a moral compass?
 
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. ...
 
...reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. "
--From President George Washinton's farewell address, 1796


"I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY"
--
Thomas Jefferson


Jefferson's code of morality did not include tolerance for homosexual perversions of nature.  Do you think Jefferson was wrong?
55 posted on 11/14/2010 4:39:33 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: sausageseller
Why should our tax dollars be used to push abortions and the prohomo pursuits?
You make like funding Planned Murderhood and the Pro pervert lobby but me and millions of others say NO but HELL NO!
This is a strawman.
They should defund these things, by all means. Just as they should defund all areas of government waste.
But they should do it on those terms, not because they're taking a Fundamentalist stance.
There are many ways to package the same agenda.
It is an artform the Democrats have mastered, but sadly, still escapes the Stupid Party.
 
56 posted on 11/14/2010 4:39:52 PM PST by counterpunch ("Some election nights are more fun than others" - Baraq Hussein 0bama)
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To: kristinn

How sad that so many on Free Republic defend CPAC on welcoming GOPROUD to its event.


57 posted on 11/14/2010 4:40:53 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: kristinn

thanks for this list. i’ll add it to my present list of so called “tea party generals” to keep an eye on. in fact some of these are already on. be ware of “tea party patriots.” some of these folks are in it for themselves.

remember. speaking as a self-selected tea partier, no one person or “general” speaks for the tea party. and these folks don’t speak for me or the local group i’m in.


58 posted on 11/14/2010 4:43:33 PM PST by dadfly
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To: rbmillerjr
They can’t beat us. All they can do is divide us and have us beat ourselves.

Exactly right and this is from Politico.

59 posted on 11/14/2010 4:43:42 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: kristinn

Anyone who is truely a TEA party member will reject these social Marxists.

The agenda of the perversion rights movements are not at all a Constitutional movement or a limited government movement.

These perverts who want perversion rights or the right to murder babies are not worthy of a vioce in the TEA party.

These perverts should be called out and put in their place.


60 posted on 11/14/2010 4:45:48 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: All

“When they were out in the Boston Harbor, they weren’t arguing about who was gay or who was having an abortion,”

Hey asswipe- thats because the British did not tax the colonists in order to finance the killing of unborn babies. Does ANYONE think that if the colonies were being taxed to kill babies that the colonists would not have rebelled on that issue as well?


61 posted on 11/14/2010 4:45:57 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So what do you suggest Republicans do?
Pick their battles.

Slash government spending. Shrink the size of government by simply defunding it.
The rest will sort itself out. Social liberalism cannot survive without the teet of Big Government.

But why open up a second, unnecessary front on the battlefield?
It is far easier to defend all of it on the fiscal front than defend it on the social front, too.
We concentrate all of our ammo on one target — spending — and don't let up.
 
62 posted on 11/14/2010 4:46:03 PM PST by counterpunch ("Some election nights are more fun than others" - Baraq Hussein 0bama)
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To: kristinn
So does that mean their version of the Declaration of Independence includes the right to liberty and the perfuit of buggery, but not life?

I think you misunderstood this. They are not arguing for rights, they are against wasting time on crap that doesn't need committee time.

You are not going to change Roe v. Wade by getting into a snit every time you think you've been insulted.

And, BTW, nobody calls the shots for the tea party movement so you can all ignore whatever you want to and move on to something else.

Issa should be asking why Holder is a racist, not why he kills babies and kisses drag queens.

63 posted on 11/14/2010 4:49:00 PM PST by brucebrucebruceoftheforest (George got jungle rot.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So what do you suggest Republicans do?

I'd be happy if they'd focus on any ONE issue and get 'er done. In this case, focus on shrinking govt.

The benefits of fiscally limited (per the Constitution) government is a government is that it can no longer use tax money for things like paying welfare queens for abortions, or to build filthy muzzie foot washing stations for the filthy muzzies who are filthy, and muzzie.

64 posted on 11/14/2010 4:49:29 PM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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Here it comes, with at least one representative right on this thread. Leftists with a label "Republican" or "conseravtive" but promoting abortion, homosexual agenda crap and so on are nothing but enemies of the Constitution. Couple points - fiscal conservatism but socially liberal always turns into fiscal liberalism; it's a fiction/fantasy that never has worked and never will. Why? because socially liberal policies first of all cost big money to force down peoples' throats, monitor, and then to clean up the human debris that results. Second, socially moderate/liberal Republics never win. Third, since so many people don't want to swallow the agenda, force is needed to shove it on unwilling people, so it's nothing by tyranny anyway.

Please note that the GOProud is not conseravtive at all, it's merely another incarnation of the Log Cabin "Repugs" whose goal is to transmogrify the Republican Party into another tentacle of the homosexual "rights" movement. 90% of the GOProud's legislative agenda is clearcut straight across homo-nazi agenda issues - from same sex marriage to perverts in the military.

And you know what group filed suit to force the military to accept open perverts? Why, the Log Cabin Repugs. Neither the GOProud or the Logs are conservative in any way, shape or form. They are trojan horses trying to force the GOP to the left. They just happen to like guns a little bit and woudln't mind paying less taxes.

65 posted on 11/14/2010 4:49:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: kristinn

I’ve attended over 100 tea parties in darn near every state of the union. God, Guns, Family, Country, Life and Liberty were in full view at every single one of them. “One nation under GOD” is ALWAYS the loudest line recited in the Pledge of Allegiance. Whenever anyone on stage mentions God, Christianity, Life, Marriage or any other social issue the crowd always cheers!!

Any so-called tea party leaders who turn their backs on God, Family, Life and Liberty are turning their backs on the Declaration of Independence and our God-given Liberty and are leading us straight to socialist HELL!! They cannot be truasted to defend our freedom!!

No thanks!!

Kick them OUT!!


66 posted on 11/14/2010 4:50:18 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Cobra64

Nanny State Big Gov has prevented the states from enacting the laws their citizens want.

Thanks to Big Huge Nanny State Fedgov, no states can pass laws against sodomy, porn, or abortion; or on a host of other issues that should be up to the states.

Thank you, Huge Nanny State Big Brother Gov!

State laws against sodomy, porn, obscenity and so on were consdidered not only perfectly Constiutitonal but indeed necessary for society, until the commie founded ACLU and leftist Supreme Court justices forced their Commie Nanny State Huge FedGov on us.

You don’t know what the hell you are spouting about.


67 posted on 11/14/2010 4:50:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: LomanBill

I think Jefferson was more concerned with American Independence and the Bill of Rights. He, too, picked the more important battles to wage legislatively.

Do you think Jefferson was wrong?


68 posted on 11/14/2010 4:52:49 PM PST by counterpunch ("Some election nights are more fun than others" - Baraq Hussein 0bama)
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To: counterpunch

FU, troll!! If you refuse to defend our God-given Liberty, then you are not part of the solution; you are part of the problem!!

You are a freaking coward!! Get the hell OUT!!


69 posted on 11/14/2010 4:53:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: counterpunch
This is a strawman. They should defund these things, by all means. Just as they should defund all areas of government waste. But they should do it on those terms, not because they're taking a Fundamentalist stance. There are many ways to package the same agenda.

Sure has worked out well for your loseaterians.

70 posted on 11/14/2010 4:53:30 PM PST by sausageseller (If you want to cut your own throat, don't come to me for a bandage. M, Thatcher)
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To: counterpunch
But why open up a second, unnecessary front on the battlefield?

We're not the ones opening up the front; they are.

And you expect us to tie our hands behind our backs, while they take away our freedoms of speech and thought?

71 posted on 11/14/2010 4:53:43 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: counterpunch

You are a freaking idiot!! Troll!!


72 posted on 11/14/2010 4:53:51 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: steveab

Correct, we shouldn’t talk about social issues which means we don’t do anything about gay marriage.. Leave everything as it is now.. Only between man and women. Two can play that game.


73 posted on 11/14/2010 4:54:04 PM PST by scbison
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To: brucebrucebruceoftheforest

Thank you for contributing some common sense to a thread that is sorely lacking it.


74 posted on 11/14/2010 4:55:40 PM PST by counterpunch ("Some election nights are more fun than others" - Baraq Hussein 0bama)
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To: Cobra64

If you do not see the difference between big government meddling and us defending our God-given Life and Liberty, then what the hell good are you to our cause? Get the hell off of FR, MORON!!!


75 posted on 11/14/2010 4:56:55 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: brucebrucebruceoftheforest; kristinn
I think you misunderstood this. They are not arguing for rights, they are against wasting time on crap that doesn't need committee time. You are not going to change Roe v. Wade by getting into a snit every time you think you've been insulted.

Just so you know...I am sure Kristinn understands the Tea Party, and he doesn't do "snits".
76 posted on 11/14/2010 4:57:01 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: counterpunch

Get off the line, MORON!!


77 posted on 11/14/2010 4:57:39 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: madprof98

CD 8 AZ for one


78 posted on 11/14/2010 4:57:45 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: ari-freedom
They can screw each other in the privacy of the bedroom but they shouldn’t expect the state to give them any new benefits.

I totally agree. And I don't want to even hear the words "gay," "lesbian," or "transexual."

79 posted on 11/14/2010 4:58:43 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: brucebrucebruceoftheforest

FU, troll!!


80 posted on 11/14/2010 4:58:43 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: brucebrucebruceoftheforest
I think you misunderstood this. They are not arguing for rights, they are against wasting time on crap that doesn't need committee time.

At first I agreed with you. I thought this made a lot of sense.

After reading many comments I am thinking that these guys are attempting to stave off any action by the GOP to write a marriage bill or enact any of what we would consider conservative social issues.

The truth is, I am still on the fence as to what they are trying to do but I can see the meaning from both sides.

81 posted on 11/14/2010 4:59:36 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: counterpunch
[Social liberalism cannot survive without the teet of Big Government.]
 
Sounds nice and "fiscally conservative" - but whose teat were these folks...
The Pink Swastika is a powerful exposure of pre-World War II Germany and its quest for reviving and imitating a Hellenistic-paganistic idea of homo-eroticism and militarism.”        
Dr. Mordechai Nisan, Hebrew University of Jerusalem
...suckling from back circa 1933, hmmm?
 
What's next - a Tea Cup Putsch?
 
Some folks actually learned from history about what happens when the moral miscreants are allowed to take over the asylum - like the last time the postgenderist/transumanist uber-doctrine got political and military traction.
 
NO SALE.   
 
 
 

82 posted on 11/14/2010 5:01:30 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: brucebrucebruceoftheforest; kristinn; Jim Robinson; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins; P-Marlowe; ...
I think you misunderstood this. They are not arguing for rights, they are against wasting time on crap that doesn't need committee time.

WRONG, they are trying to obliterate the right to life and replace it with the right to kill and sodomize.

You are not going to change Roe v. Wade by getting into a snit every time you think you've been insulted.

That sounds just like what the Whigs were saying about slavery.

And, BTW, nobody calls the shots for the tea party movement so you can all ignore whatever you want to and move on to something else.

The Tea Party movement will find itself as obsolete and insignificant as the 1994 Contract with America if they marginalize social conservatives.

Issa should be asking why Holder is a racist, not why he kills babies and kisses drag queens.

Because racism is more important than the fact that a baby is murdered every 24 seconds?

83 posted on 11/14/2010 5:02:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kristinn

Let’s make a deal with the RINO wing of the party:

We conservatives will shut up about social issues and, in return, you RINOS stop selling us out to Democrats on the green agenda, immigration, taxes, spending, political correctness, campaign finance, etc.

Deal?


84 posted on 11/14/2010 5:04:28 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Cicero

We can both work towards the same end, but I will not be pushed around by the Gay Crowd that evidently wants to be part of the Tea Party as long as we follow THEIR rules.

No way, no how.


85 posted on 11/14/2010 5:04:32 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: kristinn
Didn't Tea Party Patriots give out the private numbers of the new Members to their members? And who needs GopProud? How many Gay Conservatives could there be?

Who are these people to speak for the movement?

86 posted on 11/14/2010 5:04:32 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: little jeremiah
You don’t know what the hell you are spouting about.

Yeah, you're probably right. No one in our family follows gay/lesbian behavior.

87 posted on 11/14/2010 5:05:00 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: B Knotts
We're not the ones opening up the front; they are.
And you expect us to tie our hands behind our backs, while they take away our freedoms of speech and thought?
I'm saying there is more than one way to skin a cat.
If Republicans go off the mandate they were elected on and start making a lot of unnecessary noise about the stuff they always lose elections over, then they will have a very short tenure in the majority.

People want to feel that Republicans are doing what they were elected to do, which is reign in spending, shrink the size of government, and return liberty to the People.

If they do that, then all of these other issues will fall into place, because they are all outcroppings of government run amok, getting involved in areas where it doesn't belong, sometimes where it is strictly prohibited by the Constitution.

Return Constitutional Government, and freedom of speech and thought will be restored, and "social justice" — the bastard child of Big Government — will shrivel up and die.
 
88 posted on 11/14/2010 5:05:03 PM PST by counterpunch ("Some election nights are more fun than others" - Baraq Hussein 0bama)
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To: ari-freedom

Yeah but Tommy didn’t seem to have an issue with subjecting another human to slavery....


89 posted on 11/14/2010 5:06:01 PM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: wagglebee

I think they’re confused by the fact that the TEA parties have reinvigorated fiscal conservatism. It did, and we did have people in the GOP in the past decade who had forgotten about the fiscal side, and only promoted “social” conservatism (at least when they thought we were looking).

But, the truth is, it’s all necessary, and we can’t and WON’T sacrifice decency, morality and religious freedom (including freedom of conscience), even if we’re promised a tax cut.

We need to promote the American values of small government, common decency (including respect for all human life born and unborn) and strong and effective national defense. One without the others is not acceptable!


90 posted on 11/14/2010 5:06:36 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: B Knotts
I agree, this idea that conservatives can only do one or the other is ONLY furthered by people who aren't actually conservative to begin with.

Ronald Reagan figure out and proved that conservatism can ONLY WORK if it includes fiscal conservatism, social conservatism and strong national defense. Without all three it fails.

91 posted on 11/14/2010 5:09:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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If people are concerned with their finances, but don’t care about the moral or social aspect of life, or have no problem with baby killing or perverted sex, or even approve of it, they are nothing but grubby money grubbers and greedy self serving self-absorbed people. Bottom line.
It is perverse to worry about your money or paycheck and taxes and not give a whit about abortion or sexual perversion.

Is that too harsh?
Personally I am so sick of the intolerant ‘tolerant’ crowd I could just puke.


92 posted on 11/14/2010 5:09:31 PM PST by glassylassie
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To: Jim Robinson
FU, troll!!

Gee whiz, you make it sound like I'm Pelosi.

It would be better to ignore all of the bait that the MSM is only too happy to report.

The MSM didn't shut you folks up or down and they are royally pissed at that failure.

Don't give them a shot at you from the back.

Just yawn and say something like, "...this is what makes the tea party so great...we all love the Constitution more than any other idea...and we can shuffle away from the self-indulgent self-appointed leaders who want to steal a little face time.

93 posted on 11/14/2010 5:10:46 PM PST by brucebrucebruceoftheforest (George got jungle rot.)
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To: kristinn

The Tea Party movement feeds off of conservatism.

NOT liberalism or libertarianism.


94 posted on 11/14/2010 5:11:00 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: kristinn

At the Federal level, social issues are limited government issues. Roe vs Wade and it’s progeny are an enormous intrusion into the separation of powers conceived by the founders—part of which was delegating most government power to 50 states rather than one federal government. Those “police power” issues were quite clearly reserved to the states in the Constitution. Roe, Lawrence and the like are a gross expansion of Federal power.

Similarly, the forcing of political correctness (”celebrate homos!”, for example) in education by the Feds is another gross expansion of Federal power, brought about by mandates in education bills and departments that are probably unconstitutional, under any reasonable interpretation of the founders’ intentions.

Abortion and “celebrate homos!” should be fought out at the state and local level, not imposed by five unelected federal officials in black robes.

Anyone who does not see this as a fundamental, limited-government, constitutional issue is willfully blind.


95 posted on 11/14/2010 5:11:19 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: counterpunch
[He, too, picked the more important battles to wage legislatively.]
 
You mean like that time when...
 
"In 1778, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia that contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in rape, polygamy or sodomy.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration
 
??

96 posted on 11/14/2010 5:11:31 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I think you may have mis-interpreted my post. My point is that the government should focus on America's fundamental foundation as written in the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.

BTW, if you were to review my posts over the last 10 years you will discover that I am extremely Conservative, believe in God, family, and the United States of America. My FR home page illustrates my loyalty to America.

97 posted on 11/14/2010 5:11:42 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Rashputin

Great answer. Let’s remove all funding for Planned Parenthood, AIDS research and sex education and then say it’s not about social issues. It’s about fiscal issues and watch how fast they change tack.


98 posted on 11/14/2010 5:11:50 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: counterpunch
People want to feel that Republicans are doing what they were elected to do,

You somehow believe they were not elected because of their social agenda? You have completely ignored who helped get them elected.

99 posted on 11/14/2010 5:11:57 PM PST by sausageseller (If you want to cut your own throat, don't come to me for a bandage. M, Thatcher)
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To: kristinn

So let me get this straight.

The Tea Party shot meteorically in support because it stands for reducing the spending of a bloated, spoon-in-every-pot government.

And now we are supposed to appeal to those who are in the minority and whose financial and social support is through massive government spending and its social regulations?

No thanks.

The Tea Party is the party of the moral majority. We don’t have to make social issues our priority. Just decimating the size of government will go a long way toward saving this republic.

But we sure as hell don’t have to play footsie with those groups who most abhor and ridicule the Tea Party. You know, those groups who refer to us as tea baggers.


100 posted on 11/14/2010 5:12:48 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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