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Class Dismissed: Why middle income jobs are not coming back
New York Post ^ | 11/15/2010 | Maureen Callahan

Posted on 11/15/2010 7:10:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
This what is broken with the so-called "safety net". A single woman with a dependent child who works to take care of that child, once unemployed is denied welfare benefits (AFDC, Food Stamps, etc.), because these benefits are means tested not by what one made in the past, but by an asset based means test which apparently includes 401k (the article mentioned she had no other savings).

Meanwhile, the single mother who never even tried to get a job to support her daughter continues to draw welfare benefits.

Two major political movements are going to happen over the next ten years. One is a growing backlash against the out of control public sector. The second will be either a complete devolution into a European welfare state (what Obama wants), with the new underclass demanding bailouts, or the unemployed are going to revolt against the multi-generational welfare system when they realize they can work for decades and get no help when they are in a lurch. I hope on this second point it becomes the latter rather than the former.

21 posted on 11/15/2010 7:40:06 AM PST by magellan
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To: beebuster2000

“The median income is the US is now $50,000 a year, 5% less than it was just 10 years ago. We are on average, getting poorer.”

Don’t confuse the median with the mean.

It may sound trivial, but the influx of low pay / no (legal) pay aliens skew the median quite a bit.


22 posted on 11/15/2010 7:41:33 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: SeekAndFind
Very interesting article, and a lot of things to think about.

While there's no question that a lot of people are suffering these days, I think it's worthwhile to step back and put a few things into perspective. I have long felt that one of the major factors behind the "declining middle class" in this country is the constantly changing definition of what exactly constitutes a "middle class" standard of living.

Some items in this article, for example, leave me scratching my head and wondering if there's more to this story than meets the eye. I never thought of Manhattan's Upper East Side as a place where middle class people can afford to live, though the woman's $1,000 monthly rent makes me wonder if there is some kind of rent control regulation in place on that apartment. $1,000/month in Manhattan is unheard-of for most people.

And she's sending her daughter to a private school! What the heck is that all about?

23 posted on 11/15/2010 7:41:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: SeekAndFind

GE has recently announced that it is moving it’s appliance manufacturing back in to the US over the next 4 years at a cost of 1 billion dollars.


24 posted on 11/15/2010 7:42:16 AM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: John in Wisconsin
I support local supermarkets rather than Wally World and I'm really starting to wonder what type of damage NAFTA is causing.

Lots. So is sending manufacturing jobs to China.
25 posted on 11/15/2010 7:42:37 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: SMARTY

“65 Large = Middle class?????”

Well, she does live in NYC.


26 posted on 11/15/2010 7:43:07 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: dfwgator

Even as a yute of 15 on a trip to Disneyworld, it didn’t take me more than 10 seconds to wonder what’s going to happen to those folks who were replaced by automation and computers in the 21st century. That was some 35 years ago or so.


27 posted on 11/15/2010 7:43:22 AM PST by j.argese (Boycott Nevada.)
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To: Pessimist

What’s scary is that now half of people in the US make less than the median income.


28 posted on 11/15/2010 7:45:35 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One more thing. She should get the hell out of Manhattan. She should move to Oklahoma or Texas.

She actually has a good skill set, sales, where experience is valued, and which is hard to outsource.

Ad sales are difficult right now because companies are cutting ad budgets. But there are places where the economy is still in decent shape.


29 posted on 11/15/2010 7:49:48 AM PST by magellan
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To: SeekAndFind

Once we got an EPA, jobs were doomed.


30 posted on 11/15/2010 7:52:56 AM PST by depressed in 06 (The only thing the ZerO administration is competent at is bad ideas.)
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To: dfwgator
What’s scary is that now half of people in the US make less than the median income.

Yogi, is that you?

31 posted on 11/15/2010 7:56:52 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Exactly. WHy don’t they close underperforming stores and move merch and staff to just one store? There are four Sears stores within 10 miles of me. Why? Sometime during the 90s, it was decided that there must be an anchor store and strip mall in every neighborhood.


32 posted on 11/15/2010 7:57:06 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: dfwgator
What’s scary is that now half of people in the US make less than the median income.

Well, that's only because half of the people in the US are dumber than the median.

33 posted on 11/15/2010 7:57:19 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: magellan
One more thing. She should get the hell out of Manhattan. She should move to Oklahoma or Texas.

The South has enough Yankee transplants already. Thanks, but no thanks. Yankees come here and vote like Communists.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

                       A. Einstein

34 posted on 11/15/2010 7:59:40 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: magellan
The point of the article is beyond debate - the middle class is under pressure like it hasn't been since WWII.

And its pretty obvious for various reasons our society is no longer equipped to ride out the rough patches as before.

Interesting times comin.

35 posted on 11/15/2010 8:04:56 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Alberta's Child

RE: I never thought of Manhattan’s Upper East Side as a place where middle class people can afford to live, though the woman’s $1,000 monthly rent makes me wonder if there is some kind of rent control regulation in place on that apartment. $1,000/month in Manhattan is unheard-of for most people.


New York City definitely has rent controlled apartments. However to meet the requirements of a rent controlled apartment, the tenant must have been living there continuously since before July 1, 1971. When a rent controlled apartment becomes vacant, it either becomes rent stabilized or is removed from regulation.

Rent-stabilized units in New York City are those apartments in buildings of six or more units built between February 1, 1947 and January 1, 1974. Tenants are entitled to receive required services, to have their leases renewed, and may not be evicted except on grounds allowed by law.


36 posted on 11/15/2010 8:06:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Unless there is some dramatic recovery from this recession that no one is predicting, these issues will and should become the dominant issues is US politics in the very near future.


37 posted on 11/15/2010 8:08:14 AM PST by Will88
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To: LegendHasIt
The subject of the article should get out of NYC to live less expensively... The original poster may stay ;-)

LOL, almost spilled the coffee.
38 posted on 11/15/2010 8:09:17 AM PST by andyk (Hi, my name's Andy, and I was a BF 1942 / Desert Combat junkie.)
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To: dfwgator

This is a joke...right? If so, it is kind of funny.


39 posted on 11/15/2010 8:11:08 AM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: dfwgator
What’s scary is that now half of people in the US make less than the median income.

How is that scary? That's always true, by definition of the median.

40 posted on 11/15/2010 8:12:49 AM PST by JoeFromSidney
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