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Tea Party Activists Tell Republicans to Avoid Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | November 15, 2010 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/15/2010 8:45:56 AM PST by julieee

Tea Party Activists Tell Republicans to Avoid Abortion

Washington, DC -- The fiscally conservative tea party activists were crucial to electing pro-life candidates in the 2010 mid-term elections, but now they are calling on Republicans in Congress to avoid social issues like abortion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: abortion; doublezot; republicans; teaparty
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To: phobia-dude; Jim Robinson; wagglebee; P-Marlowe; narses
Abortion is a moral issue that individuals need to deal with on their own

That makes you a pro-choice, 2 month newbie on Free Republic, doesn't it?

IBTZ

51 posted on 11/15/2010 9:37:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins
There are a bunch of them on this thread.
52 posted on 11/15/2010 9:39:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: julieee

bump for later


53 posted on 11/15/2010 9:39:46 AM PST by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: wagglebee

target rich environment


54 posted on 11/15/2010 9:41:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: domenad

Defund abortions and you get there somewhat.


55 posted on 11/15/2010 9:41:54 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: domenad
There are eight million things that need to be attended to that we can actually legislate and fix. These jagoffs are DETERMINED to kill their children, people. You can’t save those kids. They’re equally determined to come after your kids, and your wallet. Now that is something you can do something about.

That's the perspective I've come to as well. Yes abortion is murder, but, its murder done in someone else's family, not mine--and it is the Dr. and the mother who are primarily accountable to God--not the government.

Does government have a responsibility to protect innocent babies? Yes, but when their own mothers want to kill them, that's very hard to do. Let's reign in government first, then we can sort out the priorities, and get proper protection for the most innocent among us.

In ancient Rome, a father could murder anyone in his household (wife, kids, slaves) with impunity--as it was HIS house. Christians didn't try to first reverse that ancient pagan law....they worked around it, and eventually humane behavior won out.

While the pro-life platform should NOT be eliminated, and abortion should NOT be funded with public money, real conservatives should be wise in how we proceed.

56 posted on 11/15/2010 9:44:24 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: wagglebee
Um, excuse me mister....Douchebag, is it? Well Mr. Douchebag, there's nothing about FR that says I can't disagree with you, that's number one. Number two, I'm pro-life, the same way I'm pro-sex-with-Megan-Fox: yes I'm all for it, but I try to keep myself in reality. When a woman is dedicated to killing her kid, there's nothing in the world that can stop them. The same political tent is coming after your kids in the classroom, on the television, in their music and movies, and in your home. You can do something about that, you can protect your own kids. Wasting blood and ammo on a lost cause is romantic and glamorous and ultimately futile.

And thirdly, Mr. Douchebag Sr., don't you ever tell me anything about FR or where I should go. I've been on FR longer than you. If you want a place where no-one will disagree with you, head back to your padded cell, the cute nurse with the thorazine will be by shortly.

57 posted on 11/15/2010 9:46:21 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: A CA Guy

No disagreement there at all. Totally defund the mills - it may be legal, but I don’t need to put so much as a dime towards it.


58 posted on 11/15/2010 9:49:10 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad
Please do. There are eight million things that need to be attended to that we can actually legislate and fix. These jagoffs are DETERMINED to kill their children, people. You can’t save those kids. They’re equally determined to come after your kids, and your wallet. Now that is something you can do something about.

Please do? Do you mean please "avoid" the subject of abortion?

Let's ignore in our midst advocates of killing off paraplegics, the unborn, the elderly, the ill, and those of various races. After all, if they believe in balancing the family checkbook, that means they're on our side. Right?

Which on the above list fall under your "let's avoid" comment?

59 posted on 11/15/2010 10:00:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: wagglebee

The GOP would not be in control of the House without the Tea Party movement. And if the GOP in the House put social issues as #1 priority, you will lose the libertarians. You will lose the Ron Paul types. And it will lead to the re-election of Obama.

I think it was Michael Medved that was talking about this the other day on his radio show. He said last week that he wants social issues off the Republican agenda for the time being.

You will get absolutely nowhere with that agenda with the present political environment. You got pro-choice president and a Democrat-controlled Senate. Any pro-life bill coming out of the House will be immediately killed.


60 posted on 11/15/2010 10:03:47 AM PST by jerry557
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To: xzins
I understand this is an emotionally charged topic, but I'm trying to analyze this with a measure of reason and logic here. First of all, I never said anything about paraplegics, elderly people, ill people, and I definitely never said anything about race, so that's all irrelevant. I'm talking about abortion - the termination (killing)of an unborn child.

What I'm saying is you can't stop it with laws, cops, or enforcement, so legislators should stay out of it. As a chaplain, you have more power to stop abortions than a congressman, senator, or president, because it's men like you that can reach some of these women and give them the support they need.

61 posted on 11/15/2010 10:07:41 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: wagglebee

Woah, 18,449 posts.

I bookmarked it for later reading.

Thank you!


62 posted on 11/15/2010 10:10:48 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: domenad
I'm with you!

FR is in danger of moving to a model similar to DU where voices of reason are stomped on.

To make headway on abortion which would keep social conservatives happy REQUIRES capturing the Presidency, House and 60 seats in the Senate.

Bush made the mistake of attacking the conservative base. Lets not make the same mistake by attacking the independent voter who helped us pick up 60 house seats which really only brought us to where we were in 2004.

I am pro-life but also becoming more of a realist and concentrate on cleaning up RED states before we tackle BLUE.

I do believe someone once said something about removing the mote in your own eye before you help someone else with their problem.

We have infiltration problems within the NRA, Churchs of all denominations and the Republican party at both state and federal level. This should be where we concentrate our efforts.

63 posted on 11/15/2010 10:14:54 AM PST by Zathras
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To: julieee

Where the heck is this coming from? I consider myself a Tea Partier; and getting the government out of abortion is very high on my list of “must do right now” things. Last I heard Tea Parties are Constitutionalists and believe in the sanctity of life.

True Tea Partiers believe abortion is evil. Only lurkers and RINOs would argue otherwise.


64 posted on 11/15/2010 10:31:22 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: domenad; wagglebee; little jeremiah; trisham; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb
These jagoffs are DETERMINED to kill their children, people. You can’t save those kids.

Sure you can. Abortion should be illegal and people who practice it should be prosecuted.

Just because some people will find a way to slaughter their own offspring, doesn't mean the government had to aid and abet it by making it legal and funding it.

65 posted on 11/15/2010 10:35:16 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: phobia-dude

zot


66 posted on 11/15/2010 10:35:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: domenad; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson
hat I'm saying is you can't stop it with laws, cops, or enforcement, so legislators should stay out of it.

Actually, that would stop it very quickly. Have laws against it and enforcement, and you'd be rid of almost all abortion.

The question for you, Domenad, is whether or not you support the US Constitution. It already protects the unborn, but it is being ignored.

First, it says that the Constitution applies to us and to our posterity. Our posterity is the unborn. This is in the preamble, the purpose statement, of the Constitution. Therefore, there is no opinion that can be rendered that contradicts the preamble. If a judge says, "abortion is OK" and the Constitution says "posterity" is covered, then...

Second, the Constitution says that no life can be taken without due process of law.

Therefore, all abortions should require a trial, a lawyer for the condemned, and all other aspects of due process. These are to establish the GUILT of the intended victim of some capital CRIME.

Life, Domenad, is the basic right. Without it, no other rights or issues will mean anything to you. You'll be dead.

Anyone who takes power to take life in one area will eventually extend it to others.

That's why paraplegics, elderly, ill, mentally deficient, etc., are all in danger.

If they can kill babies, then they can kill you.

67 posted on 11/15/2010 10:37:17 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Reagan69

Hell no! No compromise on murder!!

You look like zot material to me.


68 posted on 11/15/2010 10:37:43 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: wagglebee; phobia-dude; Jim Robinson; 50mm; Old Sarge; darkwing104; P-Marlowe; xzins; ...
And the purge continues.

Thanks Jim.


69 posted on 11/15/2010 10:38:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: domenad

NO COMPROMISE ON BUTCHERY!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL OR GET THE HELL OFF FR!!!


70 posted on 11/15/2010 10:39:22 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Reagan Man
The federal government #1 job is to serve, protect and defend the American people. That goes for the most innocent in our society, the unborn.

And if it is not worth it to fight for them then we might as well give it all up. If human life is worth nothing then no other issues are all that important.
71 posted on 11/15/2010 10:39:55 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: metmom

Here’s a question, and it’s a real question not a question that is supposed to be a statement: Can you really see a woman who wants to abort her child saying “Oh well it’s illegal, so I won’t abort my kid.” It’s my opinion that a woman who genuinely wants an abortion either feels she has no other choice or is is determined not to suffer a pregnancy. You can offer support to the former, but the latter is a lost cause. I just don’t think prison time is going to dissuade them, and the political casualties we suffer on this exercise allow leftists to further implement their agenda.


72 posted on 11/15/2010 10:42:44 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: metmom

Here’s a question, and it’s a real question not a question that is supposed to be a statement: Can you really see a woman who wants to abort her child saying “Oh well it’s illegal, so I won’t abort my kid.” It’s my opinion that a woman who genuinely wants an abortion either feels she has no other choice or is is determined not to suffer a pregnancy. You can offer support to the former, but the latter is a lost cause. I just don’t think prison time is going to dissuade them, and the political casualties we suffer on this exercise allow leftists to further implement their agenda.


73 posted on 11/15/2010 10:42:58 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad

Efing abortionist troll!! Get the hell off this pro-life web site!!


74 posted on 11/15/2010 10:45:03 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: domenad; P-Marlowe; xzins; EternalVigilance; little jeremiah; metmom; trisham; Las Vegas Ron; ...
Um, excuse me mister....Douchebag, is it? Well Mr. Douchebag, there's nothing about FR that says I can't disagree with you, that's number one.

No, but Jim has made it pretty clear that FR will be pro-life.

Number two, I'm pro-life

Right, there are just "eight million things" that are more important" and these people are "determined" to kill babies and we can't save them.

That doesn't sound at all pro-life to me.

Wasting blood and ammo on a lost cause is romantic and glamorous and ultimately futile.

Sounds exactly like what the Whigs were saying about slavery.

And thirdly, Mr. Douchebag Sr., don't you ever tell me anything about FR or where I should go.

Though I must admit that I THOUGHT about telling you where to go, I never actually wrote it down.

75 posted on 11/15/2010 10:45:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: julieee

The Tea Party needs expelled those that signed the letter if it wants to maintain any influence going forward.


76 posted on 11/15/2010 10:46:07 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Jim Robinson
AGREE WITH ME OR GO AWAY! JAWOHL, MEIN FUHRER!

Piss off, redneck. Go drink another Hamm's, it's only two o'clock, you want to finish that twenty-four pack by the time your wife gets home so you can get to the beatings by five.

77 posted on 11/15/2010 10:46:21 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad

One more baby murdering abortion pushing post from you and you get the ZOT!!


78 posted on 11/15/2010 10:46:28 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: domenad

zot


79 posted on 11/15/2010 10:47:28 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

THAT WAS A GOOD ONE!!! I can smell ozone from here!


80 posted on 11/15/2010 10:49:29 AM PST by Mr. K (physically unable to see typos until I click 'post')
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To: Grunthor
Keep your powder dry on the social issues, until you hold the whole government again.

There isn't ANY good reason not to move to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood and to ban any Federal funding of abortion. That pushes both a fiscal and social agenda.

81 posted on 11/15/2010 10:49:34 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: domenad; metmom; P-Marlowe; xzins; EternalVigilance; little jeremiah; trisham; Las Vegas Ron; ...
Here’s a question, and it’s a real question not a question that is supposed to be a statement: Can you really see a woman who wants to abort her child saying “Oh well it’s illegal, so I won’t abort my kid.”

Here's a question, and it's a real question, not a question that is supposted to be a statement:

Can you really see a person who wants to muerder a person saying saying “Oh well it’s illegal, so I won’t murder them”?

Does legality stop ALL murders? Of course not, but it stops a lot.

I just don’t think prison time is going to dissuade them,

No, there are people who will NEVER be dissuaded by prison, but most are.

82 posted on 11/15/2010 10:49:59 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xzins
Anyone who takes power to take life in one area will eventually extend it to others.

That's why paraplegics, elderly, ill, mentally deficient, etc., are all in danger.

If they can kill babies, then they can kill you.

Oh so very, very true!


83 posted on 11/15/2010 10:51:07 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: phobia-dude
Abortion is a moral issue that individuals need to deal with on their own.

That is like saying murder is moral issues that people need to deal with on their own.

It is the proper function of government to determine when personhood begins and to protect the right to life of innocent human beings. And, judges nor individuals should be determining those issues.

84 posted on 11/15/2010 10:52:05 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Jim Robinson; domenad
Damn Jim, he only called me "Mr. Douchebag," he must really hate you!
85 posted on 11/15/2010 10:52:18 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: domenad; wagglebee; metmom; little jeremiah

Another one bit the dust over here.


86 posted on 11/15/2010 10:55:48 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I can agree with that, I was refferring only to trying a wholesale outlawing of abortion with the baby butchers still controlling two-thirds of the government.


87 posted on 11/15/2010 10:56:40 AM PST by Grunthor (affirmative action doesn't work at the polls)
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To: wagglebee; Jim Robinson
Damn Jim, he only called me "Mr. Douchebag," he must really hate you!

He just met Big Jim Thompson!

LOL!

88 posted on 11/15/2010 10:57:10 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: wagglebee
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Before abortion became legal, being unmarried and pregnant was a horrible stigma. Now not so much.

So I think making abortion illegal would increase the number of children available for adoption.

89 posted on 11/15/2010 10:58:07 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: domenad

Just Damn.

Hell of way to opus out.


90 posted on 11/15/2010 10:58:57 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
First, it says that the Constitution applies to us and to our posterity. Our posterity is the unborn. This is in the preamble, the purpose statement, of the Constitution. Therefore, there is no opinion that can be rendered that contradicts the preamble. If a judge says, "abortion is OK" and the Constitution says "posterity" is covered, then...

I'm interested in your take on the "Preamble...posterity" argument. It's becoming common. I buy into it, because I do consider the Preamble to be the Constitution's "purpose statement."

Do you have any thoughts?

91 posted on 11/15/2010 10:59:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
It's interesting that the left loves to talk about how adoption is on the rise in America. What they don't mention is that essentially all children being adopted in the United States are from Eastern Europe, China and Third World countries. For all intents and purposes babies born in America aren't put up for adoption.
92 posted on 11/15/2010 11:00:50 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Responsibility2nd; All
This just added to the top-of page?

Free Republic is a pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty constitutional conservative activist web site. Those who cannot live with that should simply stay away!!

Nice.

93 posted on 11/15/2010 11:03:48 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: domenad; phobia-dude; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; ...
Two pro-abortion trolls, domenad and phobia-dude, get the ZOT in posts 79 and 66.

To be added or removed from the VK list, FReepmail Darkwing104.

94 posted on 11/15/2010 11:05:03 AM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins
I'm interested in your take on the "Preamble...posterity" argument. It's becoming common. I buy into it, because I do consider the Preamble to be the Constitution's "purpose statement."

Do you have any thoughts?

A-G, I would also love to read what you have to say about this, please ping me.

95 posted on 11/15/2010 11:07:12 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xzins
I fully agree with your position on the posterity clause of the Preamble to the Constitution, dear brother in Christ!

IMHO, it is a stronger case than relying on the "inalienable rights" clause of the Declaration of Independence - simply because the Supreme Court (and all who take the oath of office) are sworn to defend the Constitution.

Since abortion (ala right to privacy) became a "right" by judicial activism, it seems to me the Supreme Court must lay that decision aside. And to do that, they need a foundation argument in the Constitution, i.e. the Preamble.

I pray that all of the conservative justices will enjoy good health during this administration and that the liberal justices will have a change of heart.

96 posted on 11/15/2010 11:08:02 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee
Aha! Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
97 posted on 11/15/2010 11:11:24 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee

Ping to 96 per your request.


98 posted on 11/15/2010 11:12:04 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; wagglebee; P-Marlowe
And to do that, they need a foundation argument in the Constitution, i.e. the Preamble.

I reject the one argument I've heard against it, that the word "posterity" is intended as an amorphous literary convention, and not as a specific attempt to address progeny.

It seems to me that argument would only hold weight IF the authors of the Constitution believed the Republic would quickly fail. If they did not, and truly hoped not, then they would have specifically desired to secure blessings that had substance for the very real posterity who would succeed them and their generation.

99 posted on 11/15/2010 11:16:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: wagglebee; domenad; P-Marlowe; xzins; EternalVigilance; little jeremiah; trisham; Las Vegas Ron

Laws only stop crime if the people care. And people who care, likely wouldn’t be committing the crime in the first place.

People who don’t care about the legality of something will commit the crime anyway.

What the laws do is give the government the teeth to deal with it when it does happen, and sometimes that will sway people.

If abortion were illegal, there wouldn’t be as easy access to it and lives would be saved and perhaps, just perhaps, it might convince someone to not have an abortion due to the consequences.

There are other options available to women who don’t want their children than to butcher them.


100 posted on 11/15/2010 11:16:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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