Posted on 11/16/2010 7:42:04 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
Alan Grayson: The Early Years.
“I suggest that you flesh that out more in another post.”
Flesh? OK. Airlines and customers choose. period. You don’t like the airline’s security, fly another airline, or drive.
Kewpie doll > insane sock puppet.
LOL
“Who says that insecure flights are going to be cheaper?”
Supply and demand.
For some reason you think patting down 3yr little girls makes flights more secure.
You have serious problems.
In a perfect world, we’d be using the Israeli techniques. PC stops that from happening.
Your points are interesting. I can see the potential for the backlash that you suggest.
Perhaps if more people drive, boat or train to their locations, a decrease in air traffic might apply the economic pressure to revamp these measures.
If you flesh out that idea with greater detail than one or two sentences, the logical cul-de-sacs become apparent almost immediately.
The US has tried the pre-9/11, pre-DB Cooper methods. Epic fail.
He’s gone, he’s gone and (hopefully) he ain’t never coming back.
You’ve developed a better humor, I grant you that.
The real issue is how we handle security at airports.
In many nations, the U.S. included, airport security is like a rat maze with the cheese being the aircraft you plan to board. No matter how crazy difficult you make the maze, sooner or later, the rat figures out how to make it to the cheese/plane.
On the other hand, you can go the route the Israelis have used successfully for many decades. Put a few cats and terriers in the room the rats must pass through. The cats and terriers ignore everyone and everything, until a rat tries to cross the room. Then it’s snap, snap, shake, shake, end of problem.
Of course the issue is that our current security system is tailor made for mindless drones who will vote exactly how their union bosses want them to, and the Israeli way requires folks who are a bit more independent, who can think for themselves, you know...who are harder to control.
Oh, and if you really want to beef up security, how about a little attention to detail on what happens in areas where passengers are never allowed.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/hidden-video-catches-airport-crime-11457563
False argument. There wouldn’t have to be patting down of 3 year old girls if people accepted walking through advanced technology. No system will be perfect, I’m only interested in a compromise solution that is optimal, cost-effective, and only intrudes minimally.
Resisting technology is what liberals do. Advocating unreasonable, kumbayah solutions is what liberals do. Forgetting the reasons why airport security measures were adopted is what Alzheimers patients suffer from.
Isn't that also Terrorist Welcome Onboard Day?
I feel a little bit badly for using the earlier flip approach. I didn’t realize the extent to which this anti-security movement had grown. I understood that many were sincere, but that I felt that was mostly dealing with the more extreme element.
However, I do not abandon my caution about going down this road. It is a trap for tea party if it embraces this as a primary cause. This country is in dire danger of fiscal collapse due to socialism, at a time when humongous Asian competitors are economically more nimble than we are. If the tea party gets sidetracked by the head-scratching diversion, at the expense of the elephant in the room, then this country will squander whatever little hope that it still retains. Tying oneself into knots over walking through a machine doesn’t bode well for the courage that it going to be necessary to perform a national intervention and rescue.
Credit to Bruce Schneier, security expert, cryptographer and frequent TSA critic for coining that term in his book "Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly about Security in an Uncertain World" (2003).
Are you a government employee?
“Tread lightly on this one, folks. All it takes is one terrorist with a bomb to get through security and blow up an airliner full of men, women and children”
Yeh now that the Muslim women will be exempted from enhanced pat downs it will be real easy.
Here is a quick easy way to provide security and speed up the screening process. One hallway marked “Muslims enter here” that leads directly to metal detectors with bomb sniffing dogs stationed at each detector. Everybody else just go to your gate. Oh I forgot thats profiling.
I was sickened this morning to hear that radio talker — the third generation of a golden voiced family — John Gambling seems to be taking a similar position. He doesn’t like the procedures, but thinks they may indeed be necessary. What was sickening was that in taking his position he, by his comments, has marginalized and trivialized those who oppose the procedures.
Interesting that in the past two years as I have been studying Chinese History that my passionate regard for Liberty as the Founders of America knew it, wanted it and acted to take it has grown immensely.
The Chinese have a continuous history tradition (yet not complete, not without “fog”) that spans three thousand years plus, ours is a bit more than three hundred. They see that kingdoms rise and fall, the people and many principles survive. But we have something in our tradition which is much shorter, which I do hope is the grater of their very grand three thousand year history — a deep respect for individual humans and for each individual human life.
If we lose that, we are indeed lost to History.
“Not true. All personnel & delivery vehicles are screened. At least at my local airport they are. You just aren’t supposed to see it.”
I’m a charter pilot. Our employees go through a background test, drug screening and fingerprinting, done both by our company and by the local authorities. But once we pass, and come to work daily, as long as we are wearing our badges nobody gives us a second look. Nobody looks inside our bags. And I have access to the whole airport, except thru the gates to the airliners. But I can reach the airliners from the air-side. Security is usually present around the airliners, though.
Is that at any airport or just your home base?
It depends. Today I went to Shreveport, Louisiana Downtown Airport to pick up two passengers. This airport doesn’t have airline service. I walked in, met my passengers, and we all got on the airplane and left.
I am currently sitting in College Station, TX. This airport does have airline service, but the terminal is on the opposite side of the airport from where General Aviation parks. Again, I can come and go freely on this side of the airport. To go from where I am presently to the terminal would require permission from the control tower. If I did not heed there instructions, they would advise security.
Bigger airports, like Dallas Love Field, have electronic locks on the doors where you have to state that you are an aircraft crewmember and are going to your airplane before you are allowed on the tarmac. But truthfully it is a pretty lax system. Again, to get from the General Aviation area to where the airlines are would cause Air Traffic Controllers to raise an alert.
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