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Airport Scanners Sparking Litigation and Protests.
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 11-17-10 | Wall St. Journal Law Blog

Posted on 11/17/2010 1:24:16 PM PST by FS11

Yesterday, two airline pilots filed a federal suit alleging that airport scanners and aggressive pat-down procedures constitute unreasonable searches in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: indictments; lawsuits; prosecution; tsa; tsapervs; tsascanners
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We the People need to hit TSA with Lawsuits and Indictments all across the Nation.

http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320

1 posted on 11/17/2010 1:24:21 PM PST by FS11
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To: FS11

I wonder if perverts will start flying more just so they can be groped by TSA?


2 posted on 11/17/2010 1:27:33 PM PST by mnehring
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To: FS11
I believe this all plays into the government's plan to destroy the airline industry.

They don't want the commoners flying around.

3 posted on 11/17/2010 1:28:04 PM PST by Pietro
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To: FS11

Combine Isreal’s profiling with super-sniffing German Shepherds.


4 posted on 11/17/2010 1:28:58 PM PST by Reagan69 (Let me know when those health insurance premiums go down.)
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To: FS11

What happens when the terrorists blow up some malls?

We’ll be groped at mall entrances?


5 posted on 11/17/2010 1:30:05 PM PST by Reagan69 (Let me know when those health insurance premiums go down.)
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To: Pietro

I’d like to see a comparison of the number of people flying before and after. I’m surprised I haven’t yet.


6 posted on 11/17/2010 1:30:38 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: Pietro
I believe this all plays into the government's plan to destroy the airline industry.

You know Obama wants 'Ameroflot Airlines'. Regardless of their endgame, the fight is on.

7 posted on 11/17/2010 1:31:11 PM PST by Never on my watch (Touch my junk and I call the cops!)
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To: FS11

Someone suggested German Shepherds. Great idea. You can’t fool the sniffers on those puppies.


8 posted on 11/17/2010 1:31:18 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Reagan69

http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320


9 posted on 11/17/2010 1:31:55 PM PST by FS11
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Someone suggested German Shepherds.

You don't have to be a German Shepherd to smell a Muslim approaching.

10 posted on 11/17/2010 1:33:19 PM PST by Never on my watch (Touch my junk and I call the cops!)
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To: FS11
Sean Hannity is in the tank for the Genital Gropes and Nude X-rays.

Gonna have to lose him on my radio dial.

11 posted on 11/17/2010 1:35:04 PM PST by Lazamataz (Pelosi: Like a rapist, PROUD of their handiwork.)
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To: Never on my watch

Beagles have even better sniffers.

There is, and probably will be, an arms race where the dogs know nothing yet about the odor of the explosive du jour. While not perfect, however, beagles are used very commonly in customs to catch contraband.


12 posted on 11/17/2010 1:43:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: mnehring
I wonder if perverts will start flying more just so they can be groped by TSA?


13 posted on 11/17/2010 1:43:47 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

You are correct, I was in Baghdad a couple of years ago and heard the story about a dog who had sniffed out a bomb in the tank of a full sewage truck that was used to clean out portable toilets. I would not want to be the guy who had to recover that one.


14 posted on 11/17/2010 1:44:14 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: FS11

What we need is about a 100,000 people who don’t care if they miss a plane - or can go to the airport long before their plane leaves - to all descend on Reagan in DC and refuse to be photographed but will put up with a grope.

Traffic at Reagan would come to a halt since the grope takes so long (been there, now engaged).

Cloward-Pivan for our side


15 posted on 11/17/2010 1:44:29 PM PST by gartrell bibberts
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To: All
Combine Isreal’s profiling with super-sniffing German Shepherds.

The muslims would complain about the dogs. Couldn't have that......

16 posted on 11/17/2010 1:45:23 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedys float, Mary Jos don't)
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To: Lazamataz
Remember him saying way back when (maybe 6-8 years ago) that he thought ID chips in kids were a great idea and any good/loving parent would know that it was best.

This is possibly where this is all going - implanted IDs

Really think this whole things is a setup. Even rush’s buddy Rudy in Pink was way connected to a big ID chip company way back when. Both republican and dems want this. We are being played by both sides - for awhile now.

17 posted on 11/17/2010 1:47:29 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: FS11

Is it acceptable and encouraged that a TSA government official can do something to an American citizen that US military personnel cannot do to a member of the Taliban?

It’s cray cray world.


18 posted on 11/17/2010 1:50:18 PM PST by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: gartrell bibberts

What we need is about a 100,000 people who don’t care if they miss a plane - or can go to the airport long before their plane leaves - to all descend on Reagan in DC and refuse to be photographed but will put up with a grope.

Traffic at Reagan would come to a halt since the grope takes so long (been there, now engaged).

Cloward-Pivan for our side

15 posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:44:29 PM by gartrell bibberts


Good idea. I suggest that be done on November 24th at airports across the Nation. That sort of activist protest of TSA would be sure to get plenty of MSM TV coverage.


19 posted on 11/17/2010 1:50:34 PM PST by FS11
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I wonder if hogs could be trained to sniff bombs. I recall reading about hogs that could detect buried truffles.


20 posted on 11/17/2010 1:56:00 PM PST by Rio
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To: Lazamataz

Actually, Sean said that the x-ray scanners and the groping goes too far, but he himself doesn’t mind going through the scanners. I wonder how he feels about his small children being seen nude by the TSA pervs?

Yesterday, Sean had a guest on his show....John “Touch my Junk and I’ll Have you Arrested” Tyner. Mr. Tyner, a 31-year old computer programmer from Oceanside, Calif., refused to participate in this crap at Lindbergh Field in San Diego. Sean asked Mr. Tyner, “Are you married?” Tyner said yes. “I’m assuming your wife has seen you naked?,” Sean quipped. If Sean Hannity doesn’t understand the difference of being seen unclothed by your spouse or doctor and being forced to show your naked body by an agent of the U.S. government in order to freely travel around your own country, then he is off the liberty and freedom reservation.

And why does Sean still have Karl Rove as a guest from time to time on his radio show? Rove betrayed conservatives.


21 posted on 11/17/2010 2:01:38 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: FS11

Do we have any honest courts left?


22 posted on 11/17/2010 2:02:06 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Lazamataz

“Sean Hannity is in the tank for the Genital Gropes and Nude X-rays.”

He sure is. A statist pig to the hilt. No wonder he has betrayers like “the architect” on so much.


23 posted on 11/17/2010 2:03:55 PM PST by Luke21
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

For me its not the nude pic or grope. Its the unreasonable search which won’t work anyway since the device cannot see devices inside someones body.


24 posted on 11/17/2010 2:04:20 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Rio

What everyone seems to be missing on the talk shows and everywhere is that this is a gross violation of the 4th Amendment protection against search and seizure WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE!! How can a child or a Nunn be suspected? THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE.!!! If you are an Arab male 15 to 65 THERE is probable cause because Arab males blew up our buildings!!! Stop this crap. OPT OUT NOVEMBER 24!!


25 posted on 11/17/2010 2:06:43 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Luke21

Yes, our Founding Fathers never intended for us to be lorded over by corrupt criminals in the White House and Congress. To the contrary, our Founding Fathers intended for We the People to have control over our Government and our politicians.

That is one of the primary reasons that they bestowed upon us the Bill of Rights which provided for the Grand Jury System controlled by the people not the politicians.

In our Founding Fathers’ prescient wisdom, they designed a Grand Jury System in which no man, not even the President of the United States, is above the Law.

For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html


26 posted on 11/17/2010 2:07:55 PM PST by FS11
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Sean Hannity is a intellectual lightweight and clearly a Big Government Republican. We call those RINOs around here. Hannity is off my listening list.


27 posted on 11/17/2010 2:09:16 PM PST by Lazamataz (Pelosi: Like a rapist, PROUD of their handiwork.)
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To: Lazamataz

And that’s precisely why Savage refers to him as “The Wallbanger”.


28 posted on 11/17/2010 2:15:11 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Reagan69

You could buy hundreds of bomb sniffing dogs for the cost of 1 of these cancer machines!


29 posted on 11/17/2010 2:16:42 PM PST by jd777
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To: Benchim

What everyone seems to be missing on the talk shows and everywhere is that this is a gross violation of the 4th Amendment protection against search and seizure WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE!! How can a child or a Nunn be suspected? THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE.!!! If you are an Arab male 15 to 65 THERE is probable cause because Arab males blew up our buildings!!! Stop this crap. OPT OUT NOVEMBER 24!!

25 posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:06:43 PM by Benchim


You are absolutely right.


30 posted on 11/17/2010 2:20:26 PM PST by FS11
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To: the anti-liberal

To soon.


31 posted on 11/17/2010 2:21:43 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (What flavor Kool-aid are you drinking?)
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To: pepperhead
It's ok pigs actually have better smellers than German Shepherds.
32 posted on 11/17/2010 2:23:12 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (What flavor Kool-aid are you drinking?)
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To: mnehring

I know I might consider but for sure Laz is wants to.


33 posted on 11/17/2010 2:27:51 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Reagan69

Weird!

Grope Mall Entrance....


34 posted on 11/17/2010 2:28:41 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Esther Ruth

Do What!

Chipping humans and Hannity was for it?

I’d have to read the transcript to believe it.


35 posted on 11/17/2010 2:30:40 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Benchim

The State does this by standing on the word ‘unreasonable’. The courts have held that as long as you don’t profile or discriminate, no search in the name of ‘public safety’ is ‘unreasonable’. The rest of the Fourth Amendment is ingloriously ignored. That is how the State gets away with it.

Is it time for the consent of the governed to be withdrawn?


36 posted on 11/17/2010 2:33:15 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: mnehring
I wonder if perverts will start flying more just so they can be groped by TSA?

I wonder if perverts will start applying for TSA jobs just so they can grope passengers and crew.

Actually, I don't wonder.

I strongly suspect ...

37 posted on 11/17/2010 2:33:39 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: driftdiver

I remember a couple of movies in the 90’s where the bomb was inside the person.

In one movie they drank some liquid that would combine with the body to create a bomb that detonated at a predictable time.

In another, the bomb was sewn directly into the person and the timer would go off at some preset time.

So it is not out of the realm it could happen.

We should do what the Israelis do and detect behavior cues, known intelligence on certain individuals and plain ole profiling.


38 posted on 11/17/2010 2:38:32 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Pietro

I believe this all plays into the government’s plan to destroy the airline industry.


I’ve been waiting for Greyhound and charter bus companies to start running ads about how easy it is to ride the bus. Same with rental cars and “business travel” specials.

Honestly for shorter trips, avoiding the hassle at the airport is worth the extra couple of hours on the road.

For cross country there isn’t much of alternative to flying, but short trips plenty.


39 posted on 11/17/2010 2:39:33 PM PST by Brookhaven (Voter Fraud is Treason)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Sean must know he takes a dump every time Kraven Rove on.

I turn the channel to anything but Fox when I hear his voice.

Frickin tool...


40 posted on 11/17/2010 2:39:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: FS11
Good idea. I suggest that be done on November 24th at airports across the Nation. That sort of activist protest of TSA would be sure to get plenty of MSM TV coverage.

You do that, and if you survive the riots caused by travelers just wanting to get to their destinations on the biggest travel day of the year, you would justifiably be sued for many millions of dollars for people's lost vacation and travel expenses.

You would have families traveling with children calling for the TSA to shoot you on the spot. I would be surprised if some protester didn't get beaten to death with a stroller by a mother who snapped from the stress.

Dealing with the new procedures while traveling over the holidays may very well get the public upset enough to demand Congress and the administration make changes. However, if instead problems get blamed on protesters making a mess of things and making life hell for travelers rather than letting them make up their own minds about the procedures, the public will likely have considerable sympathy for the TSA and the issues they have to face.

If you are upset with the TSA, don't protest in such a way that makes life hell on your fellow travelers and harms the airline industry even more. If you do, you will alienate allies and give credibility to the TSA's claims that they have a difficult job to do, and the procedures are an unfortunate result of having to deal with both dangerous and unreasonable people.

41 posted on 11/17/2010 2:48:06 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Vendome

Seriously, all men should take a viagra on the way to the airport (if they are gonna grope- surprise them) women? Work on your best meg ryan ‘when harry met sally’ impersonation. There are more of us then them, and they need to realize that.


42 posted on 11/17/2010 2:48:25 PM PST by RobinWWJD
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To: RobinWWJD

Great Idea!


43 posted on 11/17/2010 2:52:25 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/03/24/terrorists-use-explosives-breast-implants-crash-planes-experts-warn/

Female homicide bombers are being fitted with exploding breast implants which are almost impossible to detect, British spies have reportedly discovered.

The shocking new Al Qaeda tactic involves radical doctors inserting the explosives in women’s breasts during plastic surgery — making them “virtually impossible to detect by the usual airport scanning machines.”

MI5 has also discovered that extremists are inserting the explosives into the buttocks of some male bombers.


44 posted on 11/17/2010 2:53:28 PM PST by FS11
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To: FS11

Breasts that actually blow up?

I can deal with that.


45 posted on 11/17/2010 2:56:36 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I’m impatient!


46 posted on 11/17/2010 2:56:55 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: mnehring; Slings and Arrows; martin_fierro; potlatch; maggief; Spotsy; Smartass; Happy2BMe; ...
I wonder if perverts will start flying more just so they can be groped by TSA?

That's my dream for the holidays!


47 posted on 11/17/2010 3:01:23 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: untrained skeptic

What we need is about a 100,000 people who don’t care if they miss a plane - or can go to the airport long before their plane leaves - to all descend on Reagan in DC and refuse to be photographed but will put up with a grope.

Traffic at Reagan would come to a halt since the grope takes so long (been there, now engaged).

Cloward-Pivan for our side

15 posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:44:29 PM by gartrell bibberts


Good idea. I suggest that be done on November 24th at airports across the Nation. That sort of activist protest of TSA would be sure to get plenty of MSM TV coverage.


BO & Big Sis appear very scared of what is going to happen on November 24th, National Opt Out Day.


48 posted on 11/17/2010 3:03:03 PM PST by FS11
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To: Lady Jag

LOL!


49 posted on 11/17/2010 3:12:49 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Lady Jag

A great alternative to body scanners at airports
The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.

It’s a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of the whining about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of long and expensive trials. Justice would be swift. Case closed!

You’re in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system: “Attention standby passengers — we now have a seat available on flight number ____. Shalom.”


50 posted on 11/17/2010 3:16:05 PM PST by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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