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Airport Scanners Sparking Litigation and Protests.
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 11-17-10 | Wall St. Journal Law Blog

Posted on 11/17/2010 1:24:16 PM PST by FS11

Yesterday, two airline pilots filed a federal suit alleging that airport scanners and aggressive pat-down procedures constitute unreasonable searches in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: indictments; lawsuits; prosecution; tsa; tsapervs; tsascanners
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To: Lady Jag

LOL, now I know why I LOVE clothes, they hide so many disturbing things.....!
You are feeling better I’m thinking, that’s great.


51 posted on 11/17/2010 3:18:37 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: Lady Jag

52 posted on 11/17/2010 3:21:58 PM PST by LUV W (Atlas has shrugged)
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To: Lucky9teen
Attention standby passengers!

ROFLMAO!!!

53 posted on 11/17/2010 3:27:53 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: Lazamataz

This surprised me yesterday too! Makes me wonder!!


54 posted on 11/17/2010 3:29:43 PM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is, and probably will be, an arms race where the dogs know nothing yet about the odor of the explosive du jour.

There's going to be an arms race no matter what we use, dogs or scanners.

That's why overly relying on screening is foolish. The key is to catch the terrorists before they get to the airport. Scrutinizing passanger manifests, profiling, frequent updating of no-fly lists, etc. is the only thing that has a prayer of ever working.

55 posted on 11/17/2010 3:31:41 PM PST by curiosity
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To: potlatch

God make them. They’re beautiful.

What’s ugly is the Kleptocracy.


56 posted on 11/17/2010 3:33:18 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: Lady Jag
If they had the option of going through security nude without being goped or irradiated, I'd take it.

I don't mind people looking at my junk so long as they don't touch it.

57 posted on 11/17/2010 3:34:58 PM PST by curiosity
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To: LUV W
What God made is beautiful.


58 posted on 11/17/2010 3:35:58 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: LUV W

She’ll get you for that.


59 posted on 11/17/2010 3:36:42 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: FS11
We the People need to hit TSA with Lawsuits and Indictments all across the Nation.

Absolutely. We should 'sarah palin' them with endless lawsuits, never let up. Just keep hitting them. Eventually the money for defense will start to dry up, even if they try to use taxpayer dollars for defense, eventually it will get shut down or defunded.

But we shouldn't just hit the TSA organization - we also need to hit individual TSA workers. Charge them with sexual battery and emotional distress. Make them pariahs in their neighborhoods as once you are accused of sexual molestation that's a hard rap to break. If enough of them have to fight these charges personally (most on a salary less than 50k a year) they'll quit or work on changing things themselves.

Then we must hit the airports. Not the airlines, the AIRPORTS. Because BY LAW the airports DO NOT have to hire the TSA. They con contract privately. So we sue them also as accomplices, aiding and abetting molestation and assault on their property, and causing emotional stress. If enough of us do this after having been groped by these goons the airports will cave also. They have to.

I think this is the way to win this if Congress refuses to step up to the plate. Freeper attorneys what say you? Is this doable?

60 posted on 11/17/2010 3:42:20 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: FS11

It’s well past time to fight this.

Good for them.

I have a trip to Boston to make next month and it’s just about the limit of whether flying would be better than driving.

But with all this that’s going on, I’m opting for driving. I will protest this at least in that, way as much as humanly possible. No flying until the TSA is brought under control.

They either profile or are abolished altogether.


61 posted on 11/17/2010 3:44:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Lady Jag
.....oh, noes!!!!!

62 posted on 11/17/2010 3:47:07 PM PST by LUV W (Atlas has shrugged)
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To: Brookhaven
I’ve been waiting for Greyhound and charter bus companies to start running ads about how easy it is to ride the bus. Same with rental cars and “business travel” specials.

Not to mention an amtrak revival in passenger trains. But in all seriousness, once Big Brother has run amok and gets away with our degradation in airports who or what is to prevent them from installing these scanners and grope fest at bus stations? Train Stations? Schools? Stadiums? Anyplace and anywhere large groups of people will be meeting at???? Is this how we want to live our lives? Really?

63 posted on 11/17/2010 3:49:44 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: curiosity
I feel that scanner is capable of mapping my body for a future nutrition label.
64 posted on 11/17/2010 3:54:53 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: driftdiver

>> For me its not the nude pic or grope.

I’m against it on principle and so should every other American.

This is just another steps towards desensitizing and dehumanizing the public - eradicate self, individualism, privacy. This fits hand-in-hand with govt health care.

# the Left and its commie fantasies.

Seriously folks, this crap shouldn’t fly with anyone.


65 posted on 11/17/2010 3:59:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Petruchio
Yahoo!

Can 65 and above apply?

Gutterman

66 posted on 11/17/2010 4:12:03 PM PST by Gutterman
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To: Benchim
It's very simple & needs stating over & over & over again until they get it(as in get out of our country if you don't like the Constitution)!

N O search and seizure WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE!!

How can a child or a Nunn be suspected?

> THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE.!!!

If you are an Arab male 15 to 65 THERE is probable cause because Arab males blew up our buildings!!!

Stop this crap.

OPT OUT NOVEMBER 24!!

67 posted on 11/17/2010 4:12:22 PM PST by de.rm
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To: Vendome

“I remember a couple of movies in the 90’s where the bomb was inside the person.”

and the scanner won’t pick up on anything under the skin.


68 posted on 11/17/2010 4:14:59 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gene Eric

“This is just another steps towards desensitizing and dehumanizing the public - eradicate self, individualism, privacy. “

Yep I agree. IMO thats the only purpose of this new process. Any reasonable person knows grandma, grandpa or the 4 yr old isn’t going to be a terrorist.


69 posted on 11/17/2010 4:16:49 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: conservativegramma

We the People need to hit TSA with Lawsuits and Indictments all across the Nation.
Absolutely. We should ‘sarah palin’ them with endless lawsuits, never let up. Just keep hitting them. Eventually the money for defense will start to dry up, even if they try to use taxpayer dollars for defense, eventually it will get shut down or defunded.

But we shouldn’t just hit the TSA organization - we also need to hit individual TSA workers. Charge them with sexual battery and emotional distress. Make them pariahs in their neighborhoods as once you are accused of sexual molestation that’s a hard rap to break. If enough of them have to fight these charges personally (most on a salary less than 50k a year) they’ll quit or work on changing things themselves.

Then we must hit the airports. Not the airlines, the AIRPORTS. Because BY LAW the airports DO NOT have to hire the TSA. They con contract privately. So we sue them also as accomplices, aiding and abetting molestation and assault on their property, and causing emotional stress. If enough of us do this after having been groped by these goons the airports will cave also. They have to.

I think this is the way to win this if Congress refuses to step up to the plate. Freeper attorneys what say you? Is this doable?


I’m an Attorney and yes it is doable. I like the way you think.

http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320


70 posted on 11/17/2010 4:25:40 PM PST by FS11
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

That is what they did in the Soviet.


71 posted on 11/17/2010 4:28:00 PM PST by Benchim
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

You are correct of course; however, let us assume counselor that we have rampant crime in the east side of town. Can the government “no knock” every house in town?


72 posted on 11/17/2010 4:52:21 PM PST by Benchim
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To: FS11

“I think this is the way to win this if Congress refuses to step up to the plate.”

In the meantime, participate in “Operation Dinner Out”- buy your family “Don’t Touch My Junk” t-shirts and have dinner at a restaurant inside the airport, followed by some browsing of the airport shops. A legal, civil way to make your protestation known.


73 posted on 11/17/2010 5:01:05 PM PST by pops88
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To: mnehring
"I wonder if perverts will start flying more just so they can be groped by TSA?"

How come when Nutpalitino assured us that TSA pat-downs would be done by "same-gender agents" she didn't also say they would be done by "same sexual-orientation agents?"

74 posted on 11/17/2010 5:04:36 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP Obama's Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: Lady Jag
Thanksgiving IS FOR Cavities.


75 posted on 11/17/2010 5:06:03 PM PST by Daffynition ("Life Imitates Bacon, but Bacon does not imitate Life. Bacon IS life." ~paulycy)
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To: FS11

If You Invert The Colors On Body Scan Negatives You Get Full-Color Nude Photos http://bit.ly/dviuC6


76 posted on 11/17/2010 5:07:52 PM PST by VRWCTexan (Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it !)
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To: Reagan69

What happens when the terrorists blow up some malls?

We’ll be groped at mall entrances?

************************

Exactly. Buses and bus stations, trains and train stations, shopping malls, shipping docks, office buildings, the street corner......

If security is really the issue, there’d be more done in other areas, although I’m sure the other areas are not far behind...

This is ALL about desensitization, submission to authority, and control.


77 posted on 11/17/2010 5:12:22 PM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: Lazamataz

>>Sean Hannity is in the tank for the Genital Gropes and Nude X-rays.
<<

You are frickin kidding me. What an ASS.


78 posted on 11/17/2010 5:41:16 PM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("Words that will live in infamy: 'This is not a time for ideological purity.'" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Outstanding post, I agree.

Too many on MSM and Fox and CNN still hawking the perverted machines and perverted TSAs. Let’s see if they can scare enough people this time... it doesn’t seem like it’s working.


79 posted on 11/17/2010 6:05:35 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Reagan69

What happens when they just blow up themselves and all those around....at the groping entrance?


80 posted on 11/17/2010 6:10:48 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: conservativegramma

They’re already practicing by doing the strip searches/pat-downs and X-Ray machines at random bus stations. Some news show featured one in Tampa the other day. I can’t remember which channel, but of course the spin was how wonderful it is that we’ll now be harassed at the bus stations.

And those of us who live and travel within 100 miles of the border are no longer free to drive our cars, without interrogation and obtrusive questions from the BP, dogs sniffing cars like we’re criminals, etc. All in the primary lines, mind you.


81 posted on 11/17/2010 6:11:22 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Yooper4Life

Thousands of miles of border are wide open, north and south end, anyone can cross over. But in the interior, we Americans must present papers at will, be groped and pawed, humiliated, subjugated, interrogated. The New World Order is a delight.


82 posted on 11/17/2010 6:13:22 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

Yep, exactly why we must fight this stuff tooth and nail. Isn’t living in a police state just wonderful? /s


83 posted on 11/17/2010 6:24:31 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: Rio

“I wonder if hogs could be trained”

The Muslims would love that.


84 posted on 11/17/2010 6:38:20 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: conservativegramma

I’ve been posting about this for years (here and other places), and although most people in general seemed receptive, I still felt like a lone voice. I am so proud of these people taking public stands (the pilots and others) — they are very brave. Gives me a teeny bit of hope....

I could see the police state coming ... but it was always just a little over the horizon. Now it’s completely here!

Hussein said that an illegal might get stopped in AZ for buying an ice cream cone... he’s awfully quiet now that this is about Americans being harassed and monitored (AND WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE!!)


85 posted on 11/17/2010 6:38:40 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Sean Hannity is a joke, he is an opportunist.

He had Ann Coulter and some commie lawyer on talking about the TSA molesters and the ACLU commie lawyer kept interrupting Ann Coulter not letting her get a word in and Sean just let it happen.

You can clearly hear Ann ask Sean "can you hit the mute button?". But Hannity let the left wing psycho lawyer go on and on.

I'll stick with Glenn Beck and Michael Savage. Hannity caters to leftists. He has Bob Beckel, Marc Lamont Hill and other commie pigs on his show.

What he did to Ann Coulter tonight is inexcusable.

86 posted on 11/17/2010 7:26:44 PM PST by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! Go Bears!!!)
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To: FS11
So if I am giving up my 4th amendment rights when I buy the plane ticket and enter the airport why isn't everyone giving up their right to not be profiled? If it is OK to grope me in the name of security why is it not OK to profile me also?
87 posted on 11/17/2010 8:08:15 PM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: untrained skeptic

> you would justifiably be sued for many millions of dollars for people’s lost vacation and travel expenses.

You cannot be sued for exercising your rights, or they aren’t rights at all.

You have the right under the current regs to opt out.
Starting your argument with a dispositive negates your line of reasoning.


88 posted on 11/17/2010 8:16:59 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

“And why does Sean still have Karl Rove as a guest from time to time on his radio show? Rove betrayed conservatives.

Because Sean Hannity has extremely poor judgement, and is not the brightest bulb on the tree. He has Al Sharpton on and calls him a “good friend.” or at least he did the last time I heard him, which caused me to quit listening to him.


89 posted on 11/17/2010 8:32:49 PM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("Words that will live in infamy: 'This is not a time for ideological purity.'" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: FS11

“The shocking new Al Qaeda tactic involves radical doctors inserting the explosives in women’s breasts “

Much easier to implant an device into men’s abdomens. Shorter recovery time, larger volume, less people staring.


90 posted on 11/17/2010 8:46:47 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Lady Jag

LOL...Welcome back darlin’. How ya doin’?


91 posted on 11/17/2010 9:07:31 PM PST by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: FS11
The really BIG news that hardly anybody is talking about -- these scanners emit dangerous levels of radiation. I said so in an on-line survey a week ago. For long trips in the U.S., I plan to take the train.
92 posted on 11/17/2010 11:12:49 PM PST by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: potlatch
I flew again today and had some extra time on the way back so I sat and watched a security station for about 30 minutes in the Minneapolis airport.

It was disgusting.

I pity the women the most. As I sat there and there were 3 women in 30 minutes that set off the metal detector even after taking off all metal objects. All three were 55-65 year old white women that were full figured. My assumption was they were likely wearing underwire bras.

So under the new rules they get subjected to the “enhanced patdown”. This is the disgusting part. In full view of the entire frick’n airport a TSA agent stands in front of the victim and rubs the back of her hand in circles around each breast. Then the TSA agent rubs the back of hand up and down over the front surface of the victim's breast. Each of the victims turned bright red with embarrassment while this was happening. The TSA agents took their time and were in no hurry as they stroked the women's breasts. It was very disturbing to watch.

The look on the faces of the victims as they walked away was that of abject embarrassment. I really got the feeling they have never been treated like this before (having their breasts stroked repeatedly in public by a stranger).

This crap has to stop. These women were no threat to anybody and they have to groped in public according to the new rules? It is sick and twisted.

93 posted on 11/17/2010 11:50:41 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: mnehring
I wonder if perverts will start flying more just so they can be groped by TSA?

From what I understand, it's sort of the other way around: more perverts will be working for the TSA in order to perform the kind of groping for which they would otherwise be arrested.

94 posted on 11/18/2010 12:42:46 AM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: Lazamataz
Gonna have to lose him on my radio dial.

I lost that whiny, liberal loving douche bag a long time ago.

95 posted on 11/18/2010 1:54:35 AM PST by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Vendome; july4thfreedomfoundation; Lazamataz

Hannity once almost had sex with Charlie Rangle on his show. After letting the criminal have free use of the airwaves for 10 minutes or so he then told him how much he respects him.

Hannity = POS.


96 posted on 11/18/2010 2:01:10 AM PST by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: potlatch
Welcome to the new world of Airporn!

Clothes......are see through, unless you object. Then there's the enhanced pat down....where you are the object of some gov't employee's gratification.

They swing both ways!
97 posted on 11/18/2010 2:05:02 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: ex-Texan; 444Flyer; Armaggedon

The scanners make an image of the outside of the body, making them essentially useless for bomb detection, so why the scans (besides the multiple levels of psychological warfare)? To inflict illness?

Or is this all going into a database... a full bodyprint identification system? Start with the airports, move on to the DMV, banks, etc.


98 posted on 11/18/2010 2:39:48 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: FS11

Those Amish grandmothers are so dangerous, they need a panty check..


99 posted on 11/18/2010 3:08:44 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Eaker

Hannity is a slobbering hack. He is a worthless piece of scum.


100 posted on 11/18/2010 4:36:47 AM PST by Luke21
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