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$11,000 fine, arrest possible for some who refuse airport scans and pat downs
SunSentinel.com ^ | 11/20/10 | John Lantigua

Posted on 11/20/2010 7:31:28 AM PST by chickadee

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport.

That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.

"Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process," says Sari Koshetz, regional TSA spokesperson, based in Miami.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 11; 1984; airport; eleven; enemyofthestate; scanners; tanda; tsa; tsapervs; tyranny; usandthem
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want one. Oh wait, my skin tone won’t match the color....


301 posted on 11/21/2010 12:39:20 AM PST by BullDog108 ("There is no way to refudiate her strategery, so they misunderestimate her.")
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To: chickadee

Post your bills TSA!


302 posted on 11/21/2010 12:41:34 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: chickadee

People...wake up...our government has turned on us. Pure and simple...we are all prisoners now.

Question is....what do you all plan to do about it?


303 posted on 11/21/2010 12:42:47 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: thethirddegree

>> The TSA should be defunded by our new Congress and replaced with the Israeli model for airport security.

Don’t blame the TSA. Turn to those who commissioned the TSA.


304 posted on 11/21/2010 12:43:45 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: thethirddegree

BTW, I agree...


305 posted on 11/21/2010 12:44:33 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: goldstategop

In all this debate I see something that makes me think freedom is going to win and this will not stand. I’ve been reading FreeRepublic for years and I also read the DU forum. Normally the opinions are polar opposite.

I have NEVER seen an issue generate the same common reaction on both boards. The spirit and the content of the anti-TSA posts are almost identical. That is amazing to me.

This is a defining moment for our country, when the government has overstepped it’s authority to the point that people on the left and right are outraged. Anyone who cares about freedom should recognize it is time to defend it or lose it.


306 posted on 11/21/2010 5:28:00 AM PST by Mago
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To: chickadee

I think the best question to be asking is “Where does it end?”.

Apparently, there will be no end to it that we could ever morally accept as the “new normal”.

We can’t carry on as though gross error in the name of an “abundance of caution” or to “err on the side of caution” is the way it has to be.

Does the TSA’s quality assurance and continuous improvement program include the “voice of the passenger”? Does the TSA even have a quality initiative?


307 posted on 11/21/2010 6:10:17 AM PST by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: Cvengr
Of course, if you are able to pay a fine of $11,000, you will have tripped the $10,000 threshold for further investigation and for failing to declare you are traveling with that much cash. Additionally, it might be seized as terrorist or drug money, with the burden of proof on the person with the cash to prove it was theirs. If not performed, they could probably seize everything you own based upon the same drug and antiterrorist laws.

Excellent point regarding the ridiculous laws regarding money. I'm sure that we've seen the tip of the iceberg here regarding "travel laws" .

"Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing."

What's next? Travel sectors? Zones?

Citizen, what is your purpose for this trip?

Why are you leaving this sector? Our records show multiple trips to Sector B. Explain... Permission denied.

Due to this denial, your ability to travel is suspended. Your bank account is frozen and internet access are now revoked.

308 posted on 11/21/2010 7:26:22 AM PST by csvset
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To: thethirddegree
The TSA should be defunded by our new Congress and replaced with the Israeli model for airport security.


I second that motion!

309 posted on 11/21/2010 8:03:06 AM PST by GWConservative (Welcome to OBAMAstan! - Do you know where your Congress-critter is?)
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To: donhunt

Already there! LOL


310 posted on 11/21/2010 8:04:28 AM PST by GWConservative (Welcome to OBAMAstan! - Do you know where your Congress-critter is?)
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To: chickadee; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Squantos

All us need to buy Burkas, change our names to Arabic/Hispanic names, carry Muslim prayer beads and a copy of the Koran when we travel.

What would TSA do if every passenger showed up in Burkas and carrying Muslim prayer beads and a copy of the Koran?

Then approached, by a TSA agent, you say “My name is Jose Maria Mohammed, and I am a cross gendered new Muslim. Any attempt to pat me down or force me into the scan will be a big violation of my rights and privacy!”

“I volunteer to pat myelf down as per mad Janet Nappy, the lesbo leader of TSA.”


311 posted on 11/21/2010 9:21:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: chickadee

I don’t understand where the constitutionalists are on this as an abridgement against the 4th amendment. We all want security, but these gestapo tactics to get people to comply to humiliating procedures is dangerous to our liberties. You’d think the ACLU would be on this, but....guess since it’s a Democratic administration pushing it, they’re not rocking the boat. If a Republican administration was pushing this they’d already be in court.


312 posted on 11/21/2010 9:38:50 AM PST by Ptaz (Take Personal Responsibility--it's not fun, but it's the right thing to do.)
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To: chickadee

The new procedures & scanners raise an interesting issue:
You are now forced to either a) submit to a scanner that will transmit pictures of your naked-body* to parts unknown OR b) submit to a highly invasive “security” ‘pat-down.’

{*Or, to be more accurate, highly-accurate computer-generated reconstructions thereof.}
Given the above, can I forgo both the pat-down and the voyeuristic scanner if I remove all my clothing prior to entering the TSA checkpoint?
If so, would/could I be prosecuted for “indecent exposure”?
If a small child were to enter the invasive scanner, would the operator at the other end be a felon for possessing child pornography?


313 posted on 11/21/2010 9:58:30 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ptaz
Well, they may be late to the party but these are on the ACLU's home page...

Homeland Security wants to see you Naked

TSA Pulls Aside Humorist Dave Barry for "Blurred Groin"

Tell DHS: TSA Should Respect Passengers' Privacy Rights

Send Secretary Napolitano a Message

I think your point is valid though.
314 posted on 11/21/2010 10:03:21 AM PST by Mago
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To: Flag_This
and next they'll give you 2 pills and a shot of water, that you better swallow, after all 1 out of 5 of us are mentally ill anyway, may as well medicate us, for our own good
315 posted on 11/21/2010 11:50:03 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: donhunt
I’m going to stuff a big salami in my undies

tell the TSA'er you brought him lunch, look in your pants

316 posted on 11/21/2010 11:52:18 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: goldstategop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0


317 posted on 11/21/2010 1:47:18 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Ptaz
#312

FWIW:
The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey said in a press release they will stand alongside legislative leaders from both sides of the aisle to support a resolution asking the United States Congress to review new TSA screening procedures at airports that violate privacy, and provide little in the way of security enhancements.

“This technology involves a direct invasion of privacy,” said ACLU-NJ executive director Deborah Jacobs, “It produces strikingly graphic images of passengers’ bodies, essentially taking a naked picture of air passengers as they pass through security checkpoints.”

The ACLU maintains that the likely effectiveness of such a technology in preventing attacks does not justify the level of intrusion involved.
Legislative Leaders, ACLU Ask Congress to Review New TSA Screening
318 posted on 11/21/2010 5:37:48 PM PST by chickadee
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To: goldstategop

BOYCOTT FLYING, and let them stand in the unemployment line like everyone else...I will NOT get on a plane or vist an airport, period! As long as cars are available, or trains, there will NOT be one penny paid for this unbelievable invasion of privacy.

When are the American people going to quit complaining and take action! Stand up! Do meetings by online, and stop giving in, if we take a stand agains this molestation by not buying tickets, then the airlines and congress will change their ways, or starve.


319 posted on 11/21/2010 7:08:56 PM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: jazminerose

“part way through”,,,,just who is going to stay still and let someone put a hand up your arse?? BOYCOTT AIRLINES.

There are still cars, boats and trains!


320 posted on 11/21/2010 7:10:51 PM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: donhunt

Just remember there may be a fine for that too.


321 posted on 11/21/2010 7:13:04 PM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I see your point - giving Americans the Third Degree Interrogation would not be an improvement.

I SAY WE ALLOW ARMED PASSENGERS ON THE PLANES...

and skip the nonsense.


322 posted on 11/23/2010 5:13:50 AM PST by Gomer1066
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To: jazminerose

In other words - you think it is fine and dandy to force people to submit to having nude pictures taken, or having their intimate zones violated in public, just because they don’t want to pose for a nude picture or have their intimate zones groped?

Your apologia for the TSA is getting old.


323 posted on 11/23/2010 5:28:36 AM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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