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$11,000 fine, arrest possible for some who refuse airport scans and pat downs
SunSentinel.com ^ | 11/20/10 | John Lantigua

Posted on 11/20/2010 7:31:28 AM PST by chickadee

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To: FourPeas

If well trained folks are checking out passengers I wouldn’t be as concerned. But no way could there possibly be that many micro expression experts willing to man security checkpoints. I’ve considered just wearing a t-shirt that says “Just anxiety... I am not going to blow you up or steal your stuff. Leave me alone.”


151 posted on 11/20/2010 9:14:01 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: BullDog108
Welcome to the Brave New World. I’m not flying anywhere anymore.

I have not flown for almost 10 years, and I can't imagine that I will ever fly again. They force us to submit to demoralization or to reduce our lifestyles. This is what the government does to people.

152 posted on 11/20/2010 9:15:47 AM PST by Old_Grouch (63 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
As a global business traveler for 40+ years I am well aware of what you opine...In fact I just returned from Perth AU two weeks ago - having made two round trips there since June.

Other countries, including Australia, currently do not subject passengers to this type of aggressive process

As to Michael Chertoff’s antics - is that “guilt by association”..?

My key point still stands - i.e. the current level of outrage over “implementing” these nude scanners and enhanced “groping” of private parts would be 10 times greater - with the lamestream media leading the charge, if it were Bush (or any Republican) occupying the White House

153 posted on 11/20/2010 9:17:27 AM PST by VRWCTexan (Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it !)
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To: Girlene

Pistole’s action as an employee of the FBI is not germane to his responsibilities in the TSA., except insofar as now the entire population of the US are his ‘bad guys.`

He is now in a Policy and Public relations position and obviously he has failed disastrously in those endeavours.

I am sure he is good to his children and would help old ladies across the road - but that should be immaterial to a Senate Oversight hearing at the very moment went the county is in an uproar of terrifying 3 year olds, groping children and assaulting women.

Even if Sen. McCaskill refers to them as ‘love taps’ and is ‘wildly excited· at prospect of being electronically stripped. Of course after showing her Senate ID card to avoid such a situation.


154 posted on 11/20/2010 9:17:51 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Smokin' Joe

Exactly what this Arizonian had in mind when I wrote it.


155 posted on 11/20/2010 9:18:21 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: FS11

On your post 56: great point about the children. And the backscatter scan is unsafe, it exposes you to a dose of radiation, that could be very dangerous for people that are prone to cancer, have had cancer, the young and the elderly.


156 posted on 11/20/2010 9:19:34 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: pollywog

I need to get to Boston next month and had considered flying, but we really do live within (long) driving distance and will do that instead. This settled the matter for me.

Mr. mm and I were thinking of a trip to FL to visit his mother and I don’t know if he’d go for driving or not. That’s a long trip on the road.


157 posted on 11/20/2010 9:23:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jazminerose

**I will ask my contact for clarification but my understanding is that it means once you are actually in the process of being screened.**

So, once they start molesting your young child, you cannot tell them to stop and leave the area. This is crazy and these people are thugs.


158 posted on 11/20/2010 9:26:15 AM PST by Roklok
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To: Roklok

Everyone needs to be stopped and frisked on the sidewalk, and in public parks, and everywhere else... until it is determined that they don’t pose a threat. After all, the operating paradigm is apparently the presumption of guilt until innocence is proven. This includes molesting children - for the children, of course.


159 posted on 11/20/2010 9:29:55 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: FS11
Thank you for the information.....

160 posted on 11/20/2010 9:30:15 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation; Cardhu

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/Media/2010/11/17/Congress/A/40858/Senate+Commerce+Cmte+Hearing+on+Security+Procedures+at+Airports.aspx

DeMint’s appearance is here at about 1:18 in the video. He was nicer than I’d have been, and it was disappointing. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it kissing. Maybe flirting.

Hardly anyone in Congress seems to be concerned about liberty anymore.


161 posted on 11/20/2010 9:31:36 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Allow them a foot in the door, then a hand in your clothes, and then what?)
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To: chickadee; All

Can someone please show me where I can find this in the US Code? Or are they simply making this one up as they go?


162 posted on 11/20/2010 9:31:40 AM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: OldDeckHand

What kind of questions do you suppose will be asked of those who decide they don’t want to be groped?

I’d sure as heck rather answer questions about the purpose of my trip than have somebody feeling around on my body - knowing darn good and well that somebody really serious about getting a bomb on board would have it placed inside their body where none of the screening procedures would be effective at all EXCEPT the questions to screen for behaviors.

IOW, I would much rather have an effective, rigorous but non-invasive questioning than be groped only to be blown to bits mid-air anyway because the groping wasn’t effective at keeping me safe.


163 posted on 11/20/2010 9:32:59 AM PST by butterdezillion (.)
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To: central_va

Were they disappointed when they saw what it really was?


164 posted on 11/20/2010 9:33:22 AM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: OldDeckHand

Outstanding post. First one I’ve seen that speaks up against what some are condoning as the “new” perfect model for us. I do not wish to be interrogated to travel in what used to be a free country.

Just driving from AZ to TX, through a small part of NM, in May, on vacation, we were stopped at endless roadblocks. From the highway to smaller roads, we were interrogated about our vacation plans. Sniffed by dogs. All in the primary BP line.

And we have our F-150 with a camper shell — clearly visible (not tinted windows or anything), empty except for a couple of suitcases and a cooler. We are clean and clean-cut, if I do say so myself.

It disgusted me that we couldn’t even enjoy the sights without harassment. And yes, the Hispanic BP loved interrogating the stupid white people, while the one non-Hispanic BP we encountered let us go after we answered the citizenship question.


165 posted on 11/20/2010 9:33:25 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I hope the airlines go broke and shut down operation.

Yeah, that would be a real boon to the economy.

No matter how this fiasco ends the end result will in no way be good for the airlines, and the more time that passes the more and more I'm thinking that is the whole idea.

If you wanted to crash the economy quickly, this is a pretty good way to go about it.

166 posted on 11/20/2010 9:33:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: chickadee

Companies across the country prohibit this type of inappropriate touching.

If a company requires one to have their junk rubbed, is this a “hostile work environment”?


167 posted on 11/20/2010 9:35:27 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Job needed. Anything! Philly area.)
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To: Uncle Hal

Well, I suppose their logic is this:

“If you were a terrorist and had a bomb... they are going to search you... you stop and leave and come back another day.”

The airlines are going to lose a lot of customers over the TSA’s bad behavior.


168 posted on 11/20/2010 9:37:39 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: OldDeckHand
Have you ever flown into or out of Ben Gurion on El AL? Do you have any idea how intrusive those interrogations are?

My brother brought up the fact that El Al flights are somewhere in the neighborhood of 60K a year. If that's the case, then extensive background checks may simply not be "scalable" in a model where there's up to 5,000 commercial flights in the air at any given moment.

169 posted on 11/20/2010 9:38:47 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: chickadee

I want to see Big Sis on a talk show undergo a love pat demonstration on TV ambush style. Let’s see if she submits.


170 posted on 11/20/2010 9:39:15 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Job needed. Anything! Philly area.)
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To: chickadee
Yeah, remember how they called the data scans on international phone traffic “wiretapping”? But full body scans? There’s nothing to see here, move along.

That's the part that trips me out. I can distinctly remember having conversations prior to the 2008 election with co-workers who ended up voting for Obama. They really 'felt' that listening in on cell phone conversations in Pakistan of terrorists who have never set foot on American soil somehow violated their Constitutional rights against unreasonable search. Yet they are now silent when it comes to these airport searches. They are constantly re-arranging the new reality in their minds in order to justify their earlier feelings. I have begged them to never vote again in a national election since our founding fathers never intended for anyone so non-rational to vote in the first place.

171 posted on 11/20/2010 9:39:43 AM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: Caipirabob
"My brother brought up the fact that El Al flights are somewhere in the neighborhood of 60K a year. "

I do not know how many flights El Al has each year. 60K could be right on the money. I do know that Ben Gurion Airport handles roughly 10M passengers annually. By comparison, almost 700M flew in the US in 2008. You're dead on, we are talking about an enormous difference in scale.

To do what the Israelis do (if you really wanted to do that), you would see a TSA that would have to probably triple (or more) in size. This of course is something else that is ignored.

172 posted on 11/20/2010 9:44:33 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: BullDog108

That’s what I will do, I didn’t fly much anyway, but I won’t at all now. Let the airlines go broke, then the TSA can pat each other down....


173 posted on 11/20/2010 9:44:41 AM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: chickadee
This is complete legal horse sh*t.

#1: At no time do you have to answer any questions from any law enforcement agent or agency. It is not just after you have been advised of your Miranda rights, it is any time whatsoever.

#2: The TSA has no legal right to take any steps to ensure you pose no threat to the GENERAL PUBLIC, as they now claim. The Transportation Security Administration can secure transportation, but once you announce that you refuse to be further searched and give up your right to fly, they have no mandate to proceed further.

They would argue that you have entered a secure area, and like the police officer who can arrest someone for drunk driving before they actually start or move the car, they can continue the investigation. However, considering the number of false positives (the number of people who set off the alarm but are not found to have any weapons or explosives) is somewhere around 99.999%, they would be hard-pressed to argue that just the metal detecting arch alarm was probable cause to believe you were a danger to the public.

If I set off the metal detection alarm, I personally have no problem with the full body scanner. If someone wants to get off looking at my Johnson, so be it. Mrs MindBender is very opposed however to either the Playboy of the Sky photos or the grope search now conducted.

If we are stopped and they want search her, we will gladly provide any identification they want to see. We will request that a local LEO be there as a witness at all times. I will politely announce i am invoking my Miranda rights re any intrusive questioning, but I would answer any reasonable questions (what flight, pack own bags, etc.) However, once I refuse to answer any question under Miranda, i will answer nothing more.

After they have had time to look at our IDs, (say 5-10 min) check us out, I will ask if they still demand a full body scan or physical search of my wife. If they answer yes, I will announce our intent to not fly and ask if we are under arrest.

They will probably answer, no, but we could be.

I will say, fine, do so if you must, but you do so without our permission. You know who we are if you want to seek criminal charges later, but we are leaving. I would then politely and quietly walk out.

I would them immediately file suit. They have unreasonably denied me my rights to engage in interstate commerce, use of a federally regulated entity, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Let them then be on the defensive. Watch how fast the lemmings run them.

THE ABOVE IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE OR COUNSEL IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. PLEASE OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE FROM YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL BEFORE TAKING ANY SUCH ACTION.

174 posted on 11/20/2010 9:45:54 AM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: Cardhu
Pistole’s action as an employee of the FBI is not germane to his responsibilities in the TSA., except insofar as now the entire population of the US are his ‘bad guys.`

He is now in a Policy and Public relations position and obviously he has failed disastrously in those endeavours.


I agree he has failed. I was pointing out that he was lead or involved in investigations that showed TSA and other three letter organizations to be failures in preventing terrorist attacks. In the Undie-Bomber case, the failures of the intelligence community are far too many to list. For the Times Square attempted bombing, two days later, the FBI put the terrorist on a NO-Fly list a few hours before he was to fly out to Dubai, but he was still able to purchase a ticket and get on the plane.

As you said, the entire flying population of the US are now his "bad guys". Pistole is saying the intelligence community can't stop terrorism on planes. Only the TSA scans or gropes at the last checkpoint will do it. So now we are all criminals.

The ridiculous part of there approach is that their biggest ally (observant and courageous passengers) are being cowed and humiliated prior to getting on their flight.
175 posted on 11/20/2010 9:46:14 AM PST by Girlene
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To: chickadee
*** Wasn’t it the liberals who were raising hell about having their “rights trampled” when Bush instituted “Homeland Security”? ***

Actually, a number of us on FR did that as well. My tyrant radar goes off anytime government starts treading on Americans' liberty. And I campaigned for Mr. Bush and supported the Bush Doctrine. But a lot of the domestic infringements were wrong.

gitmo

176 posted on 11/20/2010 9:47:10 AM PST by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: Noumenon; realcleanguy

“The ideas that lead to this: have never gone away. They re-surface and find their application when these monsters acquire control of the apparatus of the state. When that control becomes absolute, mass murder begins. There is only one way to stop it.”

“Podesta: Obama Can Use ‘Armed Forces’ to Push Progressive Agenda (WTF?!?)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2629356/posts


177 posted on 11/20/2010 9:47:49 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: 444Flyer

Obama has declared war against the people of the United States.


178 posted on 11/20/2010 9:49:05 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: OldDeckHand
Have you ever flown into or out of Ben Gurion on El AL? Do you have any idea how intrusive those interrogations are?

The BIG difference is that the Israelis only interrogate those that meet their profile of a potential problem. They do not do it to everyone and in fact, they publicize the types they will interrogate.

179 posted on 11/20/2010 9:49:19 AM PST by hankbrown
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To: StolarStorm

I don’t specifically know how difficult it would be to train people to spot the responses, but I would guess it really wouldn’t be that difficult. It certainly would, however, require a higher standard for TSA personnel, and this is likely the biggest reason why it will never be done.


180 posted on 11/20/2010 9:50:06 AM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: OldDeckHand

“Does the federal government have the right to ask you who you’re visiting and why when you’re traveling from NYC to Indianapolis? No need to answer, I already know that you do because you have vigorously endorsed the “Israeli Method”.

Amen. After seriously considering profiling, scanning, groping, and now this rampant “Israeli Method” crap, I have come to the conclusion that the only constitutional method of protecting our airlines is allowing passengers to unionize. Then the administration would give all the union bosses free flights, take over or bail out the airlines, and drop fares to next to nothing (for union members, of course).

Seriously, the only way to get things back to reality from this ridiculous ‘it’ll-all-be-safe-if-only-we-give-everyone-anal-probes-and-ask-about-their-sex-lives’ attitude is to post a big “ENTER AT OWN RISK” sign on the door to everyone’s homes so that when they leave in the morning they realize life ain’t fair, easy, or safe. At what point do we realize that after the government makes airports Gestapo zones, it’ll be doing so anywhere there are buses, boats and cars? Not trains, of course, because that nice government fellow would like us to get used to those, so we’re docile on the way to the reeducation camps.

When you count the hours people waste in various lines for permissions from government to live that life in the guise of ‘protection,’ it all adds up to the notion of freedom being shredded already.


181 posted on 11/20/2010 9:50:45 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: EGPWS
Watch how fast Obama's beloved railway system gets funded now at the applause of the rail unions.

Railroads and local transit will be next for this kind of security. Since 9/11, trains have been the main targets of Muslim terrorists in the West.

182 posted on 11/20/2010 9:51:03 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: chickadee

Fine...only as long as every...EVERY person is subjected to the same assaults.

This includes all muslims wearing head gear/clothing. No religion exceptions. No exceptions, period.

Like all other 0bama crap they make rules for all or most then give ‘wavers’ to their friends/donors.


183 posted on 11/20/2010 9:53:07 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: All
As you all likely know certain religious groups get exempted from most of the security restrictions. I am forbidden to mention specific FAA and TSA exemptions as they are considered "secret". But I bet most of you know about them anyway....

One group for example, is allowed to carry a friggin KNIFE on board and another group is allowed to go through security unsearched.

Soooo.... if exemptions are allowed for certain groups, why can't we all form a new religion. Call it the "Don't Touch My Junk Cult".

As part of our new religion, we must carry pepto bismal, pedialyte, shaving gear, nail clippers and other misc sundries currently banned.

In addition, our religion forbids us from removing our shoes or being scanned or touched.

Seriously, if one religion gets a pass why can't we do this...???
184 posted on 11/20/2010 9:53:34 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: Borax Queen

It disgusted me that we couldn’t even enjoy the sights without harassmen

reminds me of our trip to DC. Oppressive, rude security, bag checks, metal detectors, lines for everything. My husband was holding a place in line for me (stated on ticket it was permissable to hold places in line. I walked down the sidewalk, joined him in line and we started talking to some people around us. Suddenly everyone starts looking behind me and says ‘watch out’. My husband jumps in front of me to protect me from the gorilla of a security guard charging at me with hand on her holster! My crime? She ‘thought it looked like I was skipping in line!’
why would you charge/tackle someone for that? I wouldn’t even think they would care unless other people complained to her that I skipped! Goons on a power trip!


185 posted on 11/20/2010 9:54:39 AM PST by usmom
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To: chickadee

Osama is no doubt enjoying this spectacle. Even if his people never kill another American, he has succeeded in bringing a lot of misery into our lives. And it just seems to keep getting worse.

I hate the thought that we are responding exactly as he hoped.


186 posted on 11/20/2010 9:56:46 AM PST by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: jazminerose
I’m told that this fine has always been in place, but never enforced. Tho, that apparently is going to be changing now.

Even if it was already in place, it doesn't make it right (I'm not saying that you believe it is right). In fact, that is all more the reason to question its rightousness - why now? Further, IMO, it proves what dirtbags they are: put something "in place" but ignore it until it is there so long that when they start to enforce and people complain they can just say: "its always been there..."

I've gotta run but I can't wait to read this whole thread later...
187 posted on 11/20/2010 9:56:46 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

*** I want to see Big Sis on a talk show undergo a love pat demonstration on TV ambush style. Let’s see if she submits. ***

Yes!! Get her on one of the talk shows. Have her submit to the full body scan, but don’t show the scan to the live audience, only to the ‘remote viewers’ at home. Then have her submit to the body search. That’s how it used to be done. The leaders demonstrate how new procedures are nothing to fear.


188 posted on 11/20/2010 9:56:48 AM PST by chickadee
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To: hankbrown
The BIG difference is that the Israelis only interrogate those that meet their profile of a potential problem.

Bingo. The biggest problem Obama's government has with the Israeli model is that it involves profiling.

189 posted on 11/20/2010 9:57:08 AM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: freethinker_for_freedom

Most of us feel pretty much the same way.

Don’t forget to refer to it as “Obama’s TSA”.


190 posted on 11/20/2010 9:57:52 AM PST by chickadee
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To: chickadee

“Your money or your dignity”


191 posted on 11/20/2010 9:57:52 AM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Michael Barnes
I wouldn’t want to be a TSA employee. They can’t stay at the airport forever and they are GOING to piss someone off who will be waiting outside their home.

I wouldn't condone that, either. Imagine having a TSA screeners little kid be there to watch him get beaten to a pulp. That would leave a mental scar that would never go away and might have even worse repercussions on everybody later in that kid's life. They going to beat up the female screeners, too? If you get THAT mad, just sue. That would be more acceptable, IMHO.

192 posted on 11/20/2010 10:00:01 AM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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To: OldDeckHand

“The TSA should be defunded by our new Congress and replaced with the Israeli model for airport security.”
*******
Have you ever flown into or out of Ben Gurion on El AL? Do you have any idea how intrusive those interrogations are?

Where are you going, who are you visiting, why are you visiting them, do you like Israel, why are you angry etc, Are you Muslim, are your parents Muslim, etc, etc.

How is an interrogation - with no right to refuse to answer - any less a violation of an aggressive pat-down (that are also done to people using the “Israeli method”)?

Does the federal government have the right to ask you who you’re visiting and why when you’re traveling from NYC to Indianapolis? No need to answer, I already know that you do because you have vigorously endorsed the “Israeli Method”.

*****************

Agree that both are intrusive, but I’ll take the questioning any day. If the real goal is to stop terrorists, good examiners can detect shady characters who lie pretty easily, and the more the person is exposed, the deeper the questioning gets - and the claims a traveler makes can ultimately be verified if need be in most cases.

However, with the scan and grope, it is immediate and total exposure based on absolutely nothing. It is a violation of basic human dignity at its fullest, and it will not stop at airports, IMO.


193 posted on 11/20/2010 10:02:29 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: hankbrown
"The BIG difference is that the Israelis only interrogate those that meet their profile of a potential problem. "

My experience has been that they interrogate everyone, just some more than others.

I'm half-Sicilian. My skin is pretty olive colored, more so in the Winter, oddly. I have an Italian given name, and an Anglo last name. The last time I flew to Israel (2008), I was questioned pretty extensively, even though I was active-duty Navy at the time. But, they questioned the blond-haired woman in front of me, even more. To be fair, I have no idea what kind of passport she was traveling on, or any other of her particulars, but she definitely got the third degree.

194 posted on 11/20/2010 10:03:21 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: usmom

That’s so horrible!!!! I’m glad I got to see DC for the last time, pre-911 (their excuse for this new tyrannical govt).

They are training us to comply with any thug in uniform, mostly flunkos who couldn’t even get jobs anywhere else.

They are preparing us to line up for the concentration camps.

I tried not to let it ruin our trip — my husband and I were switching off driving through the national and state parks of Texas, but I felt like we were completely in a police state. Every time I was driving and came upon one of the govt checkpoints (they can put them within 100 miles of the border), I could feel my face turning red....

So much for the bots saying “just don’t fly.”


195 posted on 11/20/2010 10:03:55 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: VRWCTexan

“My key point still stands - i.e. the current level of outrage over “implementing” these nude scanners and enhanced “groping” of private parts would be 10 times greater - with the lamestream media leading the charge, if it were Bush (or any Republican) occupying the White House.”

Exactly right. Just like the Republicans didn’t get upset when Bush announced that as President he had the authority to lock up anyone indefinitely with no rights to a lawyer or to even know the charges against him. What Republican would have gone along with that if it had been Obama who had first claimed that power?


196 posted on 11/20/2010 10:04:04 AM PST by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: chickadee

I am going to bump my own post.


197 posted on 11/20/2010 10:04:49 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Job needed. Anything! Philly area.)
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To: realcleanguy
Obama has declared war against the people of the United States.

And that is what used to be called treason.

198 posted on 11/20/2010 10:05:51 AM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: chickadee

The Obama Administration is using this to try to get the general public used to surrendering all their rights in exchange for any kind of travel eventually.

If it isn’t stopped here, the system will devour our Constitutionally protected freedoms and liberties.

Here is some common sense to throw into the argument.

“...But how afraid should Americans be of terrorist attacks? Not very, as some quick comparisons with other risks that we regularly run in our daily lives indicate. Your odds of dying of a specific cause in any year are calculated by dividing that year’s population by the number of deaths by that cause in that year. Your lifetime odds of dying of a particular cause are calculated by dividing the one-year odds by the life expectancy of a person born in that year. For example, in 2003 about 45,000 Americans died in motor accidents out of population of 291,000,000. So, according to the National Safety Council this means your one-year odds of dying in a car accident is about one out of 6500. Therefore your lifetime probability (6500 ÷ 78 years life expectancy) of dying in a motor accident are about one in 83.

What about your chances of dying in an airplane crash? A one-year risk of one in 400,000 and one in 5,000 lifetime risk. What about walking across the street? A one-year risk of one in 48,500 and a lifetime risk of one in 625. Drowning? A one-year risk of one in 88,000 and a one in 1100 lifetime risk. In a fire? About the same risk as drowning. Murder? A one-year risk of one in 16,500 and a lifetime risk of one in 210. What about falling? Essentially the same as being murdered. And the proverbial being struck by lightning? A one-year risk of one in 6.2 million and a lifetime risk of one in 80,000. And what is the risk that you will die of a catastrophic asteroid strike? In 1994, astronomers calculated that the chance was one in 20,000. However, as they’ve gathered more data on the orbits of near earth objects, the lifetime risk has been reduced to one in 200,000 or more.

So how do these common risks compare to your risk of dying in a terrorist attack? To try to calculate those odds realistically, Michael Rothschild, a former business professor at the University of Wisconsin, worked out a couple of plausible scenarios. For example, he figured that if terrorists were to destroy entirely one of America’s 40,000 shopping malls per week, your chances of being there at the wrong time would be about one in one million or more. Rothschild also estimated that if terrorists hijacked and crashed one of America’s 18,000 commercial flights per week that your chance of being on the crashed plane would be one in 135,000.

Even if terrorists were able to pull off one attack per year on the scale of the 9/11 atrocity, that would mean your one-year risk would be one in 100,000 and your lifetime risk would be about one in 1300. (300,000,000 ÷ 3,000 = 100,000 ÷ 78 years = 1282) In other words, your risk of dying in a plausible terrorist attack is much lower than your risk of dying in a car accident, by walking across the street, by drowning, in a fire, by falling, or by being murdered.

So do these numbers comfort you? If not, that’s a problem. Already, security measures—pervasive ID checkpoints, metal detectors, and phalanxes of security guards—increasingly clot the pathways of our public lives. It’s easy to overreact when an atrocity takes place—to heed those who promise safety if only we will give the authorities the “tools” they want by surrendering to them some of our liberty...”

“Don’t Be Terrorized”
(You’re more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder)

http://reason.com/archives/2006/08/11/dont-be-terrorized


199 posted on 11/20/2010 10:07:23 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: mojitojoe
That is the plan. Flying is for the elites.
200 posted on 11/20/2010 10:08:10 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (What flavor Kool-aid are you drinking?)
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