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New Yorkers Learn the Troubles Posed by Sea Level Rise Flow Far Beyond Manhattan
NY Times ^ | November 19, 2010 | NATHANIAL GRONEWOLD

Posted on 11/20/2010 10:21:47 PM PST by neverdem

By NATHANIAL GRONEWOLD of ClimateWire NEW YORK -- New York state is beginning to take the threat of sea level rise attributed to climate change seriously as a new government prepares to settle in next year.

Starting Monday, state officials in Albany will gather with members of the public to discuss a recently released 93-page report that recommends major changes to development planning and conservation along coastlines from the tip of Long Island all way up the Hudson River Valley.

Any reforms to come from the process, starting next week, would affect about 62 percent of New York state's population, the proportion estimated to reside now in areas that could be hard hit as rising land and ocean temperatures raise average sea levels around the globe.

"We've had an enormous variety of partners involved in this project," said Kristen Marcell, special projects coordinator at the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. "We do have to take leadership from the new government, but I think there's a lot of support in the state agencies for these recommendations and making sure that we're heading in the right direction."

Among other changes, report authors say some rural infrastructure should be relocated away from coastlines, while new and existing buildings in the densely packed New York City metropolitan region should be reconfigured to allow for periodic flooding and sea intrusion. Planners also need to quickly come up with solutions to guard underground infrastructure, especially the flood-prone New York City subway and underground utility cables and pipes.

Those and other recommendations put forth to the governor and state Legislature are the work of the New York State Sea Level Rise Task Force, a body established by the Legislature in 2007 and charged with assessing the overall threat climate change poses to New York...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: agw; catastrophism; climatechange; climatechangescam; ecofraud; globalwarming; globalwarmingscam; newyork; planetgore; sealevelrise
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1 posted on 11/20/2010 10:21:49 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

oy vay. WHO WRITES THESE REPORTS? Kiss another 500 billion goodbye.


2 posted on 11/20/2010 10:25:47 PM PST by Hildy
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To: neverdem

I’m guessing the article never discusses whether sea levels have actually risen in the past decade or two?


3 posted on 11/20/2010 10:29:59 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem

They read at the 6th grade level, they do maths at the 4th, and they just KNOW the seas will flood Manhattan.


4 posted on 11/20/2010 10:30:29 PM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: neverdem

It’s as if this article were written in 2007 when the Al Gore Global Warming terror was in full bloom. Now that the theory is fully discredited this ridiculous waste of money on drafting plans to put New York City on stilts just reads like a comical short story. Maybe we have a whole generation that will irrationally cling to the global warming hokum for their whole lives.


5 posted on 11/20/2010 10:31:58 PM PST by purplelobster
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To: neverdem

Land grab.....


6 posted on 11/20/2010 10:36:22 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: neverdem
Complete waste of money..

Claim That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud

7 posted on 11/20/2010 10:36:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: neverdem
and here is the "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you"...

Any reforms to come from the process, starting next week, would affect about 62 percent of New York state's population, the proportion estimated to reside now in areas that could be hard hit as rising land and ocean temperatures raise average sea levels around the globe.

8 posted on 11/20/2010 10:48:21 PM PST by tubebender (If you can not read, this thread will tell you how to get help)
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To: BIGLOOK

Bingo!


9 posted on 11/20/2010 10:53:59 PM PST by bronxville
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To: neverdem

Don’t these people know that Al Gore just bought a beach house?


10 posted on 11/20/2010 10:56:14 PM PST by squidly
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To: Hildy

“Kiss another 500 billion goodbye.”
New Yorkers will not pay for this.
The federal government will declare NY too big to let fail.
Besides, how many decades will pass before a project like this is completed?


11 posted on 11/20/2010 10:56:49 PM PST by JimmyMc
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To: purplelobster
“New York State Sea Level Rise Task Force”


The title of the task force sort of makes an assumption, doesn't it?

12 posted on 11/20/2010 11:13:08 PM PST by az_gila
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"The draft report to be discussed over the coming months "is an important first step in developing a statewide framework to address the risks posed by sea level rise and coastal storms," said Adam Freed, who serves as New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's deputy sustainability director."

Link to the draft report:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/administration_pdf/slrtdrpt.pdf

Page 39 of draft report:
"Non-structural solutions can reduce or eliminate the long-term threat of flooding at a much lower long- term cost with fewer impacts to natural systems. These alternatives rely on planning strategies such as land acquisition, buffer zones, conservation of natural flood protection systems, building elevation, building codes and other local regulations."
13 posted on 11/20/2010 11:16:18 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: wheresmyusa

Sorry, here’s the clickable link:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/administration_pdf/slrtdrpt.pdf


14 posted on 11/20/2010 11:17:23 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: purplelobster

I think the report that 1 in 5 Americans is mentally is a gross underestimation!


15 posted on 11/20/2010 11:19:35 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: neverdem

New Yorkers are IDIOT!

The man who promised that “OCEANS WILL RISE” is the One currently seating in the White House.

Republicans and Independents alike have already agreed on the solution on the “Rising Ocean”/Sea Level Rise problem:

REMOVE THE CHIEF OBAMAO FROM OFFICE IN 2012!

And that’s the best plan.


16 posted on 11/20/2010 11:31:08 PM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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17 posted on 11/20/2010 11:42:21 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Hildy

yippee....


18 posted on 11/20/2010 11:45:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: convertedtoreason

The man who promised that “OCEANS WILL RISE” is the One currently seating in the White House.
__________________________________________________

The main Chicken Little bought a beach home in California. Al Gore.


19 posted on 11/20/2010 11:47:19 PM PST by o-n-money
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To: o-n-money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGOBm2J4tn0

Carlin got this one right.


20 posted on 11/20/2010 11:50:49 PM PST by o-n-money
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To: Soothesayer
They read at the 6th grade level, they do maths at the 4th, and they just KNOW the seas will flood Manhattan.

These people thrive in crises. They can't just live happily because then they become unnecessary. So they invent endless problems out of whole cloth and then heroically fight them. In the end the threat doesn't materialize and they reward each other for the job well done. For details see Lisa and her rock that keeps tigers away.

But if we want to get technical, it's doable too. 70% of Earth surface is water, and the mean radius of the planet is 6,371.0 km. A partial hollow sphere with the inner radius 6371 km and the outer radius 6371.001 km (for water rise of about 3.3', or 1 meter) and 70% coverage has volume of:

4/3 * π * (6371.0013 - 6371.0003) * 70%

That gives the answer: 377 thousand cubic kilometers, or a hundred million billion gallons, or 29 times larger than the volume of Lake Superior.

Now, let's calculate - just for fun - how much energy is needed to melt that much ice (assuming that the temperature was and remains at zero degrees Celsius.)

The heat of fusion for water is 333.55 kJ/kg, and we just calculated that we need 3.57×1017 liters of water. Let's ignore the difference in density here, it's small. The energy needed to melt that much ice is ...

3.57×1017 * 3.3355×105 = 1.19×1023 Joules.

To compare, this energy release is equivalent to about two million explosions of the Castle/Bravo, the largest thermonuclear device that was ever exploded by the USA.

21 posted on 11/20/2010 11:53:24 PM PST by Greysard
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To: neverdem

Stupid libs who take the climate change scam seriously.

Ka-ching!


22 posted on 11/21/2010 12:21:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Greysard
So they invent endless problems out of whole cloth

In order to justify the existence of their make-work jobs fabricated out of the whole-cloth of environmental catastrophism...

23 posted on 11/21/2010 12:55:15 AM PST by x_plus_one (Democrats delenda est)
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To: neverdem

They needed Cuomo to get in before they pulled this 93 page report off the shelf.

Paladino would laugh them out of his office.


24 posted on 11/21/2010 1:06:56 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: neverdem

Sea level has been rising at a steady rate in New York since they’ve been taking measurements:

http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/12.php


25 posted on 11/21/2010 3:46:19 AM PST by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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Thanx neverdem !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

26 posted on 11/21/2010 3:51:58 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: convertedtoreason
"The man who promised that “OCEANS WILL RISE” is the One currently seating in the White House."

Actually, no.

".... this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow ..."
27 posted on 11/21/2010 5:38:35 AM PST by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: Hildy

Oh, goody! Now Bloomberg will have something else to worry about rather than deal with the garbage and graffiti creeping back into my neighborhood.


28 posted on 11/21/2010 5:55:33 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Greysard

Oh it could melt.

And, in 100 years, IF - big “if” there! - current sea level increases continue at their current rate - it “might” raise sea levels by a whole 20 inches.

The entire report is meant to control and to scare the readers. NEVER in this article is the real number mentioned. Because the writers don’t want the real number mentioned.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 5:56:44 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Hey; I’m getting taxed for ocean front property here in VT already !


30 posted on 11/21/2010 5:58:05 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: neverdem
Most liberals reside in regions very close to the sea—the very first land based life forms supposedly came ashore from the sea so it stands to reason the most primitive intellects would wish to be close to their origins.

Rising sea levels would be a blessing as these primitive Leftist life forms would be forced to climb above the waters and above their ignorance in order to assimilate with the superior intellects inland.

But man caused global warming is an empirically proved hoax so the idiots on the coasts will continue to agitate and irritate.

31 posted on 11/21/2010 6:12:34 AM PST by Happy Rain ("GO GAMECOCKS--THE REAL USC!!!")
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To: neverdem
New York state wants to focus on GW because it's much easier than the pile of major problems facing them.
32 posted on 11/21/2010 6:14:09 AM PST by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 11/21/2010 6:42:55 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: StACase
Interesting data. It suggests a rise of a bit less than 8 inches in 150 years. It is also interesting to note that the rise seems fairly steady, i.e. no appreciable acceleration as per the phony "hockey stick".

BTW, not knowing how they take the measurement, is it possible that the land mass is sinking?

34 posted on 11/21/2010 6:54:59 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: neverdem

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken


35 posted on 11/21/2010 7:08:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: AndrewB

Oh, yeah!

I stand corrected he he he he.

Likewise I rectify my argument like this:

NEW YORKERS ARE LIARS! OBAMA SAID THE OCEAN ALREADY RECEDED UPON HIS ARRIVAL TO THE WHITE HOUSE!

NO? SO OBAMA LIED THEN?

But what we can be sure of is this: NEWYORKERS AND OBAMA LIED.


36 posted on 11/21/2010 7:57:33 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: neverdem

Many news stories these days are actually nonstories. They’re stories about the fulminations of a person’s — the storywriter’s — psychosis, not about actual events.

What sea level rise? Has it risen ANY? What are the data on that? If there were an actual rise, and if it had been measured, then there might be some grounds for such a story.

But there isn’t any sea level rise. Instead, it’s hypothetical. Since when do hypotheses constitute news? Being hypothetical, it exists only in the writer’s head. And because it isn’t real, that’s the basis for concluding that the writer is psychotic — removed from reality.


37 posted on 11/21/2010 8:38:33 AM PST by Jay W
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To: facedown

Someone should plot of graph of the population of New York versus the sea level rise. Of course you will see a trend. Then we demand people leave NYC and take down tall buildings to stop the sinking. Call it ‘Cap and Trade’. (yet I know it is built on bedrock...but don’t let science stand in front of a good story)


38 posted on 11/21/2010 9:10:09 AM PST by GWynand
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Ya know, for us upstaters this might be good news losing NYC. No offense to the conservatives down there.
39 posted on 11/21/2010 9:44:42 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: neverdem

NYC in AI

40 posted on 11/21/2010 12:09:13 PM PST by eleni121 (http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm Father Daniil Sysoyev lives!)
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We’re doomed. New York is especially doomed.


41 posted on 11/21/2010 1:04:00 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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42 posted on 11/21/2010 1:06:37 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: neverdem
rural infrastructure....relocated away from coastlines
....abandoning whole areas of the coast altogether
....converting currently inhabited areas into nature zones

and the forced relocation of our populace into high-density, mixed-housing, 'self-contained' communities, communal islands in the midst of "nature zones," served only by light rail or electric personal vehicles with limited range, marches right along....and we're actually paying for it to happen

43 posted on 11/21/2010 2:16:13 PM PST by blueplum
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To: neverdem
new and existing buildings in the densely packed New York City metropolitan region should be reconfigured to allow for periodic flooding and sea intrusion.

I propose placing large springs between the foundations and bottm floors, and tethering flocks of buzzards to all the buildings.

When the sea rushes in, it will frighten the buzzards into flight, safely lifting the buildings above the flood.

When the sea subsides, the buzzards will quit flying, and the srpings will pull the buildings back into position on their foundations again.

The buzzards can then be rewarded by lettng them eat all the drowned rats.

44 posted on 11/21/2010 4:19:16 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease caused by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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To: neverdem

Interesting. Wasn’t that part of the USA swampland at one point in time? Gee. I wonder WHY it would want to revert back to its natural state, LOL!


45 posted on 11/21/2010 5:41:13 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Catastrophism ping!

There goes my pad on the fashionable, upper, eastside. Sigh* Spend a million bucks on something and it sinks. No wonder all the Indians wanted was beads a Bedazzler for the place.


46 posted on 11/21/2010 5:48:53 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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That wampum investment by the Dutch doesn't look so hot now, eh?!? ;') Thanks CB.
 
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47 posted on 11/21/2010 6:31:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Thanks neverdem.
48 posted on 11/21/2010 6:33:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: neverdem

Nothing but pure B*llShit. They are going to clear prime beachfront property so that when the commie dictatorship takes over they can then give those choice parcels to loyal apparatchiks..


49 posted on 11/21/2010 8:56:21 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Soothesayer

Flooding Manhattan would be the only positive event to come out of all the Global Warming fraud.


50 posted on 11/22/2010 5:00:58 AM PST by Postman
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