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Sarah Palin's Mike Huckabee problem
WaPo ^ | 6:00 AM ET, 11/23/2010 | By Aaron Blake and Felicia Sonmez

Posted on 11/23/2010 8:14:30 AM PST by onyx

1. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Monday that Sarah Palin might well "run away" with the Republican nomination for president.

It's funny Huckabee should say such a thing, because he's got a lot of say over whether she does just that. And it has to do with whether he even runs in the first place.

As potential 2012 candidates weigh their prospects and determine their plans for the next presidential race, one thing is clear: that Huckabee and Palin inhabit largely the same space -- i.e. they each would perform well without the other, but they might undercut each other if they are in the same race.

There is currently a four-candidate top-tier consisting of Palin, Huckabee, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. And indeed, a new Quinnipiac University poll on Monday showed the four of them all huddled between 15 and 19 percent of the vote.

But while Huckabee and Gingrich have pretty broad support, the base of support for Huckabee and Palin is readily apparent, and for both of them, it starts with born-again evangelicals. The two of them combine for 46 percent of that vote, compared to just 26 percent for Gingrich and Romney. Palin and Huckabee are also the top two vote-getters among women and people without college degrees.

So why is that important? Because if any of the four frontrunners seems least likely to run for president, it would be Huckabee. And, if he doesn't take the plunge, where is his 26 percent share of evangelicals going to go? Where is his 18 percent share of women going? Who gets his 17 percent share of those without college degrees?

The obvious answer to all three of those questions is Palin.

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KEYWORDS: huckabee; palin; palin2012; romney; romneydirtytrick; romneyfakepoll; stenchofromney; tiresome
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To: Clyde5445

Well said, my friend!


101 posted on 11/23/2010 9:24:44 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: onyx

So what exactly is Mike’s Sarah Palin problem? That he’ll relapse from his diet and try to eat Trig?


102 posted on 11/23/2010 9:25:41 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: t-dude

I don’t doubt you at all, which is why I consider the righteous right to be as dangerous to freedom as the loony left.


103 posted on 11/23/2010 9:25:59 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: onyx
LOL! Mike Gomer Huckabee VS. Sheriff Taylor Palin.
104 posted on 11/23/2010 9:26:20 AM PST by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairatx movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: onyx

It seems there is a concerted effort to push Huckabee out of the race. But if it is true that Huckabee and Palin “occupy the same space”, maybe Palin supporters realise that slash-and-burn isn’t the best tactic against Huckabee, so they are trying the carrot-and-stick approach instead.

But the goal is the same, to tear down one way or another every other candidate, in the hopes that voters will go with the one that is left least damaged, rather than rebel against the lack of choices.

I’m wondering if a few of the announced non-candidates are actually playing the game of hiding in the corner hoping to be the “reconciliation” candidate after the frontrunners burn down the house.


105 posted on 11/23/2010 9:27:02 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: onyx

People who know nothing about Christianity or Christians think Huckaphony can be used to stop Sarah and then be discarded as Mitt rides to the rescue.


106 posted on 11/23/2010 9:27:24 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
MERRY CHRISTMAS

107 posted on 11/23/2010 9:27:49 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: t-dude

“Seriously these dim bulbs (some in my own family) want a preacher.”

Ask them if Moses ought to have jettisoned all that Exodus stuff and run for Pharaoh, or Jesus just skipped that Gethsemane and Golgotha business and just gone to Rome. That usually clogs the works, sometimes to good effect if they see the absurdity of their position.

Sometimes.


108 posted on 11/23/2010 9:27:59 AM PST by Psalm 144
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To: lewislynn

LOL. Put like that, it’s funny...LOL>


109 posted on 11/23/2010 9:30:45 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Yep, Huckabee is the elitist/MSM pick for the Repub nomination this next cycle, just like the saddled us with McLame the last time around.

Yeah, he talks like a conservative but he's got a track record in Arkansas of governing as a socialist. Plus there's the pardon thing you can guarantee they'll be plastering everywhere once the MSM gets him the nomination.

110 posted on 11/23/2010 9:31:10 AM PST by MCH
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To: MBB1984
I am no fan of the Huckster, but a recent poll just out had Huckster

Can't you see, they got the results they wanted. Don't watch/listen to polls. Who sells out conference, who is in demand, who has all night camps out during her book tour? Who more closely resembles conservatives principles, Who has stood up more against this administration, dead panels, etc.

That's the 'poll' we believe - what we see/know and not what they say.
111 posted on 11/23/2010 9:32:49 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: OrangeHoof

There’s a bible verse about women not having authority over men and while I believe that is directed at the leadership of the church, some evangelicals believe it translates to leadership of the country as well.

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There is also a chapter about Deborah, assuming they read the Old Testament at all.


112 posted on 11/23/2010 9:32:56 AM PST by Psalm 144
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To: onyx

Good Lord, those men need to get some P.T. in their body!!


113 posted on 11/23/2010 9:32:58 AM PST by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Al B.
Huck running to stop Palin would greatly enhance Romney's chances.

Correct. He would be the Judas goat which gives us Mitt in 2012, just as he was the Judas goat who gave us McCain in 2008.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't put it past him.

114 posted on 11/23/2010 9:33:24 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: onyx

I won’t let the MEDIA dictate our canidate. I would vote for Palin...I won’t vote for Huckabee except I would vote for him to remain at FOX news...


115 posted on 11/23/2010 9:34:24 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: onyx

I’m missing something here. Why all the Huckabee hate? I mean, yeah, Sarah Palin is a great candidate, but why bash Huckabee because of it?

Are there political platforms that Huckabee holds that need to be shot down? Has Huckabee done something morally repugnant that he should be rejected for?


116 posted on 11/23/2010 9:35:19 AM PST by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: onyx
If you could not win against McCain...please do not run again! That goes double for Romney! You people had your chance and lost to McCain. The media tells us everyday who they are afraid of...Palin. If she is sooo unelectable, then the media would shut up about her. Glowing articles about Huckabee and Mitt show me who they are not afraid of.

Does the media not understand they are transparent?

117 posted on 11/23/2010 9:35:25 AM PST by tndarlin (If only the VRWC had ACORN, SOROS, SEIU, TIDES .....)
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To: wolfman23601

Agreed. Some sort of White Horse ‘prophetic’ aspect to contend with as well.


118 posted on 11/23/2010 9:35:54 AM PST by Psalm 144
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To: t-dude
Do a search on his granting clemency... his raising taxes... his nepotism... his lying... his socialism... if they will not see the truth... satan is at work... tell them that too!

LLS

119 posted on 11/23/2010 9:36:08 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: traderrob6
He’s Jimmy Carter with an R after his name.

The Huckster is just showing his true colors again.

120 posted on 11/23/2010 9:36:13 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Don't make me go ALL CAPS on you.)
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To: onyx

Never a doubt.

LLS


121 posted on 11/23/2010 9:36:51 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Well the one good thing is Huck and Mitt hate each other. I’m not buying that Huck is going to conspire with Mitt to take out Palin. The other way around is more likely. I would never vote for Huck in a primary and he is a lot of things, but an establishment elitist is not one of them.


122 posted on 11/23/2010 9:37:20 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: onyx

It is so weird. They have forgiven him his transgressions (he was just demonstrating his Christian love! He is not responsible for the sin of man...I think they blame the devil)

I’m going to try the Moses and ‘Jesus to Rome’ tack. I gotta find something...


123 posted on 11/23/2010 9:39:10 AM PST by t-dude
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To: onyx
Huckabee went nowhere in 2008. Why would this time around be any better for him?
124 posted on 11/23/2010 9:40:20 AM PST by McGruff
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To: Vigilanteman

I don’t get that reasoning about 2008, the only guy that could be mad at Huckabee for 2008 would be Mitt Romney.


125 posted on 11/23/2010 9:40:20 AM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: wolfman23601

You are right, of course. But it’s not so much a conspiracy...the establishment is USING him.

Stroking his ego big time. Just watch for all the positive articles and press he is going to start receiving.


126 posted on 11/23/2010 9:41:22 AM PST by t-dude
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To: Clyde5445

Well said, my friend!


127 posted on 11/23/2010 9:41:42 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: t-dude; LibLieSlayer
I need ideas on how to stop him here in Iowa.

Do a search on his granting clemency... his raising taxes... his nepotism... his lying... his socialism...

Better yet, look down my About Page for all the ammo you need to get the message out about the Huckster.

128 posted on 11/23/2010 9:42:37 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Don't make me go ALL CAPS on you.)
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To: onyx; All
The GOP "Stop Sarah" crew has found that they are getting no where with Romney, and so now they are falling back on Huck as a possible alternative to Sarah, based on his supposed "evangelical" credentials.

Huck himself is obviously playing along.

129 posted on 11/23/2010 9:43:33 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: wolfman23601
Huck's views on Willie Horton type pardons and open borders certainly put him on the same side as the establishment elitists. He just does a good job of playing good old southern boy populists like two other former governors, one from Arkansas and one from Georgia, both of whom were welcomed into the ranks of establishment elitists once they were elected POTUS.

I'm also not 100% sure that Huck's hatred for Mitt is anything more than show business. They have far more in common than most of their respective fan bases would care to admit.

130 posted on 11/23/2010 9:44:19 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: onyx

No, seriously...I’m half-Arkie, but if God meant Mike to be president, He wouldn’t have set him down in Hope, nine years after Bill Clinton. Bubba has poisoned that well for the rest of Mike’s life.

And then he’s had two clemency moves go lethally wrong on him, and it’s still two years to the election. If Sarah Palin’s record makes her unelectable in a general election, I have trouble seeing how Mike makes it out of the primary.


131 posted on 11/23/2010 9:44:46 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: OB1kNOb

Amen bro!!!

LLS


132 posted on 11/23/2010 9:45:34 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Jim Noble

Bible believing Christians know that there is no such thing as a “Christian homosexual”. That same logic applies to a “Christian socialist”. A socialist is nothing but a patient communist. They are both bent on replacing God in society with government.


133 posted on 11/23/2010 9:45:49 AM PST by MikeSteelBe
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Exactly. This punditry and establishment GOP did not get November’s message: BUTT OUT.

The more those two groups try to push candidates, the more those candidates will be rejected “before” the campaigns even start!


134 posted on 11/23/2010 9:47:04 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Psalm 144

Thanks.


135 posted on 11/23/2010 9:47:58 AM PST by lonestar
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To: lonestar

No problem. I am reluctant to repeat any variant account because the exact facts are murky, although the incident is not denied.

Very abnormal, and very disturbing in any rendition though.


136 posted on 11/23/2010 9:53:18 AM PST by Psalm 144
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To: OB1kNOb; Brices Crossroads; Al B.; Virginia Ridgerunner; Clyde5445; Psalm 144; OrangeHoof

Oh, wow. You’ve done a lot of research on Huckabee.
Please see OB1kNOb’s forum page: scroll down until you see the information on Huckabee.


137 posted on 11/23/2010 9:54:17 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; onyx
Huck in the race could be a problem siphoning off some socon votes, particularly if a lot of other decent (rather than the indecent Huckster) conservatives run.

Split the vote enough in the base, and the Mittster walks through the door McCain went through.

Look at our new Michigan squish/RINO governor. We had three excellent conservatives running, and this guy was the benefactor of splitting their votes .

138 posted on 11/23/2010 9:54:32 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

I know....lol.


139 posted on 11/23/2010 9:56:14 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: McGruff

I don’t know. He seems to think he’s better known and oh so popular.


140 posted on 11/23/2010 9:57:48 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: tndarlin

That’s the truth, tndarlin. Those two couldn’t beat McCain, but they both think they’re ‘the one’ this next time around. The lust for power... makes me sick. Both are non-starters.


141 posted on 11/23/2010 10:00:13 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: OB1kNOb

Thank you! Some of the links no longer work, but it will be a good resource. I appreciate it!


142 posted on 11/23/2010 10:00:51 AM PST by t-dude
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To: onyx

Glad to be of service.


143 posted on 11/23/2010 10:02:12 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Don't make me go ALL CAPS on you.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Right, Huckabee is delighted to play along. He’s smitten, in fact. All the attention and flattering words have gone to his head. This morning on Fox ‘n Friends, he was sickening to watch.


144 posted on 11/23/2010 10:02:22 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: t-dude

You’re welcome.


145 posted on 11/23/2010 10:03:09 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Don't make me go ALL CAPS on you.)
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To: t-dude

You peaked my interest in Iowa elections on the evangelical Christians and are spot on:

From a USA Today 2008 article:

Long-shot Republican candidate Mike Huckabee declared “a new day in American politics” Thursday after riding strong support from evangelical Christians into a decisive victory in the Iowa caucuses.

Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister and, like Bill Clinton, a native of Hope, Ark., managed to win despite trailing badly in national polls for most of the year. He out-hustled runner-up Mitt Romney and better-known candidates John McCain, Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani with a coalition of pastors, home schooling adherents, gun rights advocates and supporters of a new national tax system...

Susan Geddes, a former Huckabee volunteer who became coordinator for a 14-county area, cited turnout from “social conservatives” who also liked his positions on protecting the border and keeping taxes low. “He’s been consistent for all the years he’s been a public servant,” added Geddes, a home-school teacher who caucused at a church in Martensdale...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-03-iowa-gop_N.htm

Iowa Republican presidential caucus, 2008

Candidate Votes Percentage

Mike Huckabee 40,841 34.41%
Mitt Romney 29,949 25.23%
Fred Thompson 15,904 13.40%
John McCain 15,559 13.11%
Ron Paul 11,817 9.96%
Rudy Giuliani 4,097 3.45%
Duncan Hunter 524 0.44%
Alan Keyes 247 0.08%
Tom Tancredo 5 0.00%
Total 118,696


146 posted on 11/23/2010 10:09:21 AM PST by luckybogey
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To: onyx

Thank you! Just frustrated that the media keeps pushing RINO’s. Really I am just sick of the whole mess. After the election, I thought something would change...all it really did was show the true colors of the elites in DC.


147 posted on 11/23/2010 10:23:39 AM PST by tndarlin (If only the VRWC had ACORN, SOROS, SEIU, TIDES .....)
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To: onyx

“There is currently a four-candidate top-tier consisting of Palin, Huckabee, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.”

If those are the only four choices, I choose Sarah. Hopefully there will be a few more choices out there.


148 posted on 11/23/2010 10:29:23 AM PST by Grunthor (Touch my junk and Ill knock you the f**k out)
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To: driftdiver

I think Sarah would have to choose someone more (Romney) to her left in order to moderate the ticket or someone viewed by the party (higher ups) as more of a serious (Demint) intellect.


149 posted on 11/23/2010 10:33:51 AM PST by Grunthor (Touch my junk and Ill knock you the f**k out)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yep. Last time we had nothing but moderates to pick from. This time they want to load up with moderates whom they’ll all say are arch-conservatives, so as to try to split the Palin vote. Mitt or Mitch will stand alone as the moderate ‘adult’ positioned between Obama and the far-right fire eaters.


150 posted on 11/23/2010 10:36:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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