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Hoax! Couple behind Birth or Not abortion voting website are internet fraudsters
Daily Mail ^ | 11/23/10 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 11/23/2010 9:07:14 AM PST by CharlieOK1

The Minneapolis couple behind the website birthornot.com have been revealed as internet fraudsters.

Pete and Alisha Arnold, both 30, set up a website claiming they were torn about aborting or keeping their healthy baby boy and asked the public to vote online and help them decide.

But the alternative weekly City Pages revealed Pete is a pro-life activist who posts his beliefs on the internet under the alias Zeeboid.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; birth; birthornot; disenfranchisedvoter; hoax; internet; pravdamedia; publicitystunt
Your thoughts? First of all I am relieved.
1 posted on 11/23/2010 9:07:22 AM PST by CharlieOK1
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To: CharlieOK1

FR sniffed this out the day it happened.....


2 posted on 11/23/2010 9:08:49 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic......Monthly Donors Welcome.)
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To: CharlieOK1

I couldn’t care less if it’s a fraud, these two should be publicly shamed for being so calloused. We need to bring back the old iron and wood head/wrist restraints used in public squares and allow children to chuck rotten fruit at the punished.


3 posted on 11/23/2010 9:12:34 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Why? Was the “fraud” actually monetary? Was there anything that was lost, by you or another? Did they do anything illegal?
What, if any, difference is there between what these two did and the telling of a parable*?

{*Parable: a realistic story that may or may not have happened, told in order to present a [usu. moral] point.}


4 posted on 11/23/2010 9:16:46 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CharlieOK1

seems like their plan worked to get thousands of abortion supporting people to look at the image of a fetus, before saying saying they agree with its destruction.


5 posted on 11/23/2010 9:17:26 AM PST by MNDude (And we were SO close to acheiving utopia)
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To: rarestia

Agreed. This was an incredibly dumb idea which inflicts serious damage on the pro-life movement.


6 posted on 11/23/2010 9:17:26 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: CharlieOK1

Yeah, it was somewhat obvious that it was all an Internet joke/hoax.


7 posted on 11/23/2010 9:18:53 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mr. Lucky

Or it may have affected the anti-life movement, more than you know.


8 posted on 11/23/2010 9:19:34 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: CharlieOK1

I am relieved as well. I don’t know if the intent of the couple was to show the sonogram, talk about the heart, growth rate and then make the voters really question if they would abort the baby. If in some weird sense they were trying to get pro-abortion advocates to see the difference between what some describe as “tissue” and others describe as a baby? Either way (even if the intent was thought of as good) this stunt was sick. IMHO.


9 posted on 11/23/2010 9:19:39 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Those who are maddest about it, are those who fell for it.

IMHO, The Internet was always known as CAVEAT EMPTOR.


10 posted on 11/23/2010 9:22:17 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: CharlieOK1

Her hoax has consequences. She was fired from her employer.
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1851233.shtml?cat=1


11 posted on 11/23/2010 9:26:38 AM PST by MN_Rightside
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To: rarestia

Make sure when you happily hand out the fruit to the kids, there aren’t any pits or dangerous stuff in them.


12 posted on 11/23/2010 9:28:03 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: OneWingedShark
fraud
–noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

Pick a dictionary definition and it applies. They may not have gained financially, but putting something out there that's entirely untrue and seemingly only for personal amusement is at least definition 4. They're poseurs and shams. They played on the highly emotional strings of the abortion debate and debased the issue altogether.

A parable's intent is to teach something. Like you said, it's intended to be a moral lesson. There's nothing morally righteous or otherwise proper about what they've done.

13 posted on 11/23/2010 9:37:07 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I couldn’t care less if it’s a fraud, these two should be publicly shamed for being so calloused.

I'm missing the calloused part.

Can anyone explain what was so callous about thier postings?

14 posted on 11/23/2010 9:37:20 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
cal·lous
–adjective
1. made hard; hardened.
2. insensitive; indifferent; unsympathetic: They have a callous attitude toward the sufferings of others.
3. having a callus; indurated, as parts of the skin exposed to friction.
15 posted on 11/23/2010 9:38:36 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

I agree. Fraud is fraud.


16 posted on 11/23/2010 9:42:59 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rarestia

So then, because you believe fraud to have occurred, why are you not [personally] filing a lawsuit?


17 posted on 11/23/2010 9:46:25 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rarestia

Huh?

So what do you think of the pictures, posters, moving billboards featuring dead fetuses (babies really)?

Are they not even more callous, as the casual viewer cannot avoid them?


18 posted on 11/23/2010 9:50:33 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: CharlieOK1

Gee, never saw THAT coming.


19 posted on 11/23/2010 9:52:51 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: rarestia

>cal·lous
>–adjective
>1. made hard; hardened.
>2. insensitive; indifferent; unsympathetic: They have a callous attitude toward the sufferings of others.
>3. having a callus; indurated, as parts of the skin exposed to friction.

Hm, then you would surely object to my border-security plan, no?
Here it is: deploy the military along the border with orders to USE DEADLY FORCE ON ALL ILLEGAL ENTRANTS, *AND* allow all private citizens to do the same [actually Constitutionally justified as a legitimate function of the militia].

I predict that after the stories of “HEARTLESS” Americans killing “poor undocumented workers & their families” are wide-spread south of our national border that there will be a sharp decrease in the volume of illegal immigration from that area. I believe that anything short of a violent response will be compromised.


20 posted on 11/23/2010 9:53:59 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CharlieOK1; an amused spectator; wagglebee

“But the alternative weekly City Pages...”

If it is like the other “alternative weeklies” Village Voice Media publishes, much of the advertising comes from strip joints and “escort” services.

http://www.citypages.com/about/index/


21 posted on 11/23/2010 10:01:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: freekitty
I agree. Fraud is fraud.

Like when a caller spoke with Planned Parenthood staff and asked if they could target their money to a minority neighborhood but weren't really ever going to donate a cent?

Or when a couple dressed up as a pimp and sex worker visited ACORN offices and made an appeal for help in setting up a whorehouse for illegal immigrant minors to work out of?

22 posted on 11/23/2010 10:05:01 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: OneWingedShark

Nah, I’m not in objection to your plan in the least. If anything, I believe the illegal immigrants are callous to our rule of law.


23 posted on 11/23/2010 10:07:55 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MNDude
seems like their plan worked to get thousands of abortion supporting people to look at the image of a fetus, before saying saying they agree with its destruction.

Those who voted for death are outraged! Their vote has been suppressed and they have been disenfranchised!

They want that baby dead just as they wanted Sarah Pablin's baby and grandchild dead.

24 posted on 11/23/2010 10:08:51 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I’m not a proponent of that sort of shock campaign. Also, being a male, I don’t believe I have a say in a woman’s goings on. I’ll put forth my beliefs, but that’s all I can do. I don’t believe in restraining someone in that case.


25 posted on 11/23/2010 10:09:18 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: OneWingedShark

They didn’t defraud me. Besides, I said in my initial post that I couldn’t care less if fraud was perpetrated. I was just commenting on the insensitive nature of their fraud.


26 posted on 11/23/2010 10:10:06 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Gee, a pro-abort objecting to pictures that depict the atrocities of abortion, why am I not surprised.


27 posted on 11/23/2010 10:14:54 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

HUH?! Where on Earth did you get that I was pro-abortion? May I point you to my other posts in this very same thread? I think you will find your statement completely unwarranted.


28 posted on 11/23/2010 10:26:24 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

OK, how about protesting in front of an abortion clinic, inferring that the women who enter and use the services are killing their babies?

Is that callous?


29 posted on 11/23/2010 10:29:31 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I’m not sure if that’s the inference I would make, but I have no problem with them standing outside and doing so. I always honk at the folks in my area who do exactly that. If they can get one young woman to change her mind, I believe they’ve done God’s work.


30 posted on 11/23/2010 10:39:45 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
If they can get one young woman to change her mind, I believe they’ve done God’s work.

Wouldn't that also be true of the website in question?

31 posted on 11/23/2010 10:46:47 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

The website from which the story was reported or the website with the poll asking if they should have an abortion?

The website (LifeNews) is always doing God’s work, but these two hucksters weren’t doing God’s work; they were spitting in the face of people with a big abortion loogie.


32 posted on 11/23/2010 10:54:15 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: CharlieOK1

I thought this was a genius stunt to get people to consider abortion for what it is...terminating a child.

Brilliant


33 posted on 11/23/2010 11:23:11 AM PST by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.

I tend to agree with you.


34 posted on 11/23/2010 12:02:12 PM PST by CharlieOK1 (m Ò_ó m)
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To: rarestia

How?

They brought attention to the abortion debate, in much the same way protestors outside an abortion clinic do.

They made people think about the abortion question on a personal level, just as those who carry posters of aborted babies do.

They made it very ‘in your face’ just as the moving billboards do.

They allowed everyone to ‘go on the record’ just protestors who argue with the pro-life crowd do.

And, if this was a hoax, they brought more attention to the abortion question than any protest, billboard, or even an arrest outside a clinic has doen for a long time.

And they did this all without even endangering the life of one baby.

So, specifically, what is it that they did that was so offensive to saving babies lives?


35 posted on 11/23/2010 12:04:08 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Umm... my apologies if I’m misunderstanding something, but doesn’t the article state, specifically, that it was a hoax? Even by virtue of your response, you’re stating “And they did this all without even endangering the life of one baby;” so then you understand that this was a hoax, right?

The problem with petty back and forth in these exchanges is that the original article/statement is forgotten. The actions of this couple, defrauding, by definition meaning “deceitful pretenses,” an entire audience of web users and even having their poll hijacked, in a sense, by leftists; the intent to even entertain the idea of aborting a child by means of a simple majority vote is disgusting and deserving of reproach.

If you mean the protesters outside of an abortion clinic; I didn’t mean to imply that I was offended by them. I even honk at them and wave in approval. God bless them for standing out on a street corner and diligently trying to save lives. Like I said, if they can change the mind of even one young woman seeking an abortion, I believe they’ve done God’s work.

Did I explain myself clearly enough there? I’m still a little fuzzy on your context, so if you need more clarification, please let me know.


36 posted on 11/23/2010 2:04:56 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
The actions of this couple, defrauding, by definition meaning “deceitful pretenses,” an entire audience of web users and even having their poll hijacked, in a sense, by leftists; the intent to even entertain the idea of aborting a child by means of a simple majority vote is disgusting and deserving of reproach.

Does that 'hoaxing' and 'deceitful pretenses' condemnation also extend to the young lady, and others, who enter abortion clinics and decive the workers there?

I'm referencing those who claim to be pregnant, underage, sometimes 'hoaxing' the employees there to believe that they are underage, and pregnant by someone who would, if the 'hoax' were not a hoax, would be guilty of statutory rape.

Should our outrage extend to those people also?

37 posted on 11/23/2010 2:26:09 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: CharlieOK1

Interesting to note, the guy’s been banned from FR...

http://www.freerepublic.com/~zeeboid/


38 posted on 11/23/2010 3:57:14 PM PST by chrisam
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To: Balding_Eagle

I think we have strayed quite a ways from my original post. I am not sure what you are getting at. Your scenario seems highly unlikely. Why would a young woman hoax an abortion clinic worker into thinking that she is underage? In many states, underage girls are required to have parental approval for an abortion, or, at the least, have the parents informed.

If the underage woman hoaxes her parents by not informing them and then proceeds to hoax the abortion clinic worker into thinking she is at least 18, then I would be more than willing to lump shame on her for her deceit.

Otherwise, I find your scenario hard to believe. Why would someone who is of age lie about being underage to an abortion clinic worker? What benefit does that confer? Either way, shame on both the young woman for dismissing life and shame on the worker for not checking her identification, at the least.

Is this entire discussion based around the word hoax?


39 posted on 11/24/2010 4:11:04 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Why would a young woman hoax an abortion clinic worker into thinking that she is underage?

You obviously are very uninformed.

This brilliant 'hoax' has been going on for a couple of years, at various clincs across the country, and I'm sure has been reported on extensivly at Life News. WorldNetDaily has reported on it many times.

It has caused stated Attorneys General to investigate PP organizations for their active involvement in covering up criminal activity.

The young lady is very calloused in her approach, almost as calloused as the people of the website we are talking about.

I'm surprised you haven't been protesting her actions.

40 posted on 11/24/2010 6:05:13 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I’m a 30 year old man, sir. I spend more time fighting for gun and property rights than protesting abortion clinics. I give those folks all the credit in the world, but I do not spend much time on roadsides waving signs.

It is dishonest for someone to do what you say they are doing, and I, of course, would not support it, but what should I do in order to protest this? I’m not in the business of shouting down women.

I think we are both on the same page in this matter.


41 posted on 11/24/2010 6:09:31 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I think we are both on the same page in this matter.

No we're not.

I think all of these 'hoaxes' are clever and advance the prolife cause. Including the one referenced in the original article.

42 posted on 11/24/2010 5:02:09 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

So you’re asserting that these two hucksters were actually pro-life adherents trying to make a point? Is there anything in the media that shows that?


43 posted on 11/25/2010 4:34:14 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

I don’t know for certain that it was hoax. I’m just going by the information in this article and others.


44 posted on 11/25/2010 8:22:46 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

The very title of this thread is “Hoax! Couple behind Birth or Not abortion voting website are internet fraudsters.”

Is that insufficient evidence for you?


45 posted on 11/26/2010 5:00:40 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

My point doesn’t depend on whether or not it’s a hoax.

What this couple did, and what the young lady did by hoaxing PP, is advance the pro-life cause.

They do so by confronting people on a very personal level just what abortion really is. Both excercises illustrate that’s it’s far more than a ‘womans right to chose’, as the pro-choice crowd would have everyone believe.


46 posted on 11/26/2010 7:53:35 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: rarestia

You may find these of interest:

Planned Parenthood to patient: Lie to judge
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95551

Planned Parenthood advises: ‘That’s not a baby’
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118457


47 posted on 11/26/2010 8:50:20 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: rarestia

It was discussed on BOR tonight, it looks like it may not be hoax.


48 posted on 12/02/2010 6:05:59 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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