Posted on 11/26/2010 2:33:26 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
Thanks for your reply. In my time zone, it’s going on two a.m., and I am checking out for the night. I’ll try to look into Boehner’s press releases tomorrow, and get back to you.
I have to say, though, that I agree with you on the subject of Obama finishing out his term. I just don’t see it. This malignant narcissist loves the perks of office, but he was wholly unprepared for the attendant stresses and strains. I don’t know how it will end, but I don’t see him running for a second term. Nothing in his past history suggests that kind of staying power. Time will tell, and we really do live in interesting times.
I’ll plan to write more tomorrow; good night. :)
Your right about Obama’s staying power. he has none. he was completely unprepared for his position and actually said as much in one interview.
he said something like it is much harder than he thought it would be. What a moron.
I bet if one state demands his birth certificate he will be out of there faster than you can say jack squat.
I would say that indeed these are interesting times, but not the good kind.
Looking forward to your analysis. Thanks
Hi again, Munz. Thanks for the link you sent to Boehner’s press releases. I read as many as time permitted. I do have some general thoughts re: Boehner and the Speakership, but it’s gotten late again and I need to punt for now. I will try to put together a cogent post sometime tomorrow.
Take your time. Though I am interested in what you think.
I am hopeful about Boehner, but still I think like all politicians he needs to have his feet kept to the fire.
Hi again. This is probably going to be a one shot deal (post) tonight because I am extremely busy right now, and that is likely to last through the weekend. I just hope I don’t rush so much that I’m not lucid. Anyway, here it goes.
First off, I was just aghast at Boehner’s press release praising Obama’s ‘salary freeze’. I read the whole thing, so I know he goes on to talk about cutting. However, you can’t cut a ridiculously high salary once it’s been ‘frozen’. What’s more, these salaries aren’t really frozen at all. There are two basic, easy ways to get around this insultingly dishonest ruse. I’m going to guess you’re already knowledgeable about that, and you don’t need the details [Rush went into details, after all]. I think there’s at least one Freeper thread on it already, so the information is definitely out there.
Let me give you an analogy. Let’s say a certain town spends three years jacking property taxes through the roof. Then they spend the next two years raising them exponentially higher. By the end of the fifth year the rates are staggeringly out of proportion to the market, crippling to the homeowners, and suicidal for the town. Everybody wants out, but nobody can sell because the economy of the area has been wrecked by out of control property tax hikes.
Now the corrupt Dem Tax Commissioner says he wants to institute some taxation austerity. He announces he will freeze property taxes where they are. What he doesn’t say is that he’s only freezing one of three indices upon which property taxes can be raised. So they will continue to go up. Worse, the freeze means that nobody’s taxes can go down. I.e.: there can legally be NO cuts.
And right on cue, out comes the old boy RINO and applauds the move. He is either too stupid, too uninformed or too corrupt himself to see what a farce—and worse—this publicity stunt is. He in fact legitimizes it and gives the corrupt Dem commissioner cover. That is exactly what I see Boehner’s press release as doing-and it STINKS.
Here’s something even worse. Boehner-buddy Cantor came out today and said the Republicans would be preserving two of the worst—absolute worst—aspects of Obama’s healthcare-killing bureaucratic boondoggle. If the Republicans are going to keep the most destructive, price-hiking aspects of it, then why bother to repeal at all? The damage is done, and any further talk of repeal by these sickening old boy RINO types is pure BS.
So now I am waiting any minute for Boehner’s press release denouncing Cantor, and saying he will work against keeping the very worst parts of Obamacare. Waiting...waiting.......okay, I’m not really waiting at all. I know where Boehner stands—and We Are So Screwed.
Can you even begin to tell how angry I am? With friends like Boehner we don’t need enemies. And that is just two quick points, probably all I have time for tonight. I’ll just add a couple of quick hits.
First, that plethora of mostly-boring press releases didn’t take a lot of time. I doubt they interfered with Boehner’s tee times or famous parties. Did he do anything more than talk these past two years, to even attempt to hamstring Obama’s indescribably destructive agenda? Did he actively campaign for Tea Party candidates, and help them financially? Or did he just mouth a few words and head for the links?
Lastly, yes, I did visit DU when Boehner was confirmed as Speaker. They were ecstatic. They consider him an alcoholic accident waiting to happen. I doubt that is true, but one thing IS true. If an effective, hard-hitting ***conservative*** Republican had been elected Speaker, they would not have been rejoicing over it at DU. Now ask yourself, why would some of the most leftist people on the planet be thrilled at our choice of Speaker? You could say they’re just clueless, but I think they share my perception of the man. He is not a gung ho proponent of conservatism, nor is he a tireless crusader for the cause. He’s a go along to get along DC hack, and I am very sorry he is the Speaker.
If you want to discuss this further, it will probably have to wait for the weekend. We can switch to PM if you wish. Either way, I wish you all the best. We can simply agree to disagree, and that is fine with me. Either way, warmest wishes — FW
I don’t disagree with you on your points at all.
I did think that some of his press releases prior to the elections were very good. I really liked the way he ripped into Obamacare on the floor as well prior to the vote.
But as I said, I don;t really know how much he could have done not having the spotlight of being speaker, the glamor of some personalities that are followed by the media (for good or bad - press is press - if you get my meaning)
I don’t know what his position would actually allow considering that republicans were just out gunned and could be steam rolled on any given vote at any time. I am willing to bet that Pelosi will have more face time with media than Boehner got, but that may just be because the media is so left wing anyway. Combined with the fact that she is already controversial, a past speaker and one hell of a liar.
Your point about the DU is well taken. But by the same token they talk trash about Palin and openly say that they hope she runs against Obama, yet I think that they are trash talking and they actually fear her. So I have mixed emotions and thoughts about that and would really need to read the comments individually, take them in context and keep a running tally to see where it fell on trash talk vs real joy.
Well at least you looked over some stuff that he had said and I will watch what he does with a more discerning eye because of your comments. As i said before, we need to keep his feet to the fire anyway. Nobody gets a pass in congress anymore. Especially the politicians that have made it a career.
Thanks and if you see something about him that attracts your attention, ping me on it. I don;t want to miss anything regarding him.
Thanks again
did you catch this?
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bachmann-there-needs-be-insurrection-aga
I think she is great.
Thanks for the link. I hadn’t seen it. You and I agree on something VERY whole heartedly—we both think Bachmann is GREAT! I do have additional comments, but in all honesty I may not get them typed out until sometime Sunday.
Meanwhile, I’ll share something a Freeper (sorry; I just cannot remember which one) posted last night, and which absolutely sums up my position:
The Three Cs of Republican Leadership:
Cringe
Cower
Capitulate
Collaborate
And if all else fails:
Cave
Bachmann has a bulletin subscription delivered to your mailbox - I always get it. Have been following her for a while too.
How great would it be to have her on the ticket for 2012?
NOW That would be something to get excited and energized about. She is a very intelligent and well spoken woman. Her heart is in the right place too.
I think she would do well, the libs hate her!
The 3 c’s of republican leadership damn well better change is all I can say. If not, there are options like straight third party people sponsored by the TEA party.
In less than two years the TEA party had a big effect on the midterm elections which have notoriously low turn outs.
Republicans better wake up and realize what can happen in a general election given this much lead time.
Thanks again for posting that Bachmann link. Reading it really bucked me up. I had been going to ask you how we hold a man’s feet to the fire when he’s in a safe district and doesn’t come up for another vote for two years. Bachmann answered that question for you: she’s going to do the feet to the fire routine herself. I am so thankful for her! She may yet keep these RINOs in line.
I did want to gripe briefly about the whole feet to the fire concept. Namely, why should we have to do that with our own leadership? Did anybody have to hold Pelosi’s feet to the fire to make her act like a liberal? Why are WE always supposed to be satisfied with milquetoast leaders who have to be constantly threatened and pressured, in order to behave like conservatives? The equation seems sadly out of balance to me. [I’m not griping at you, Munz. I’m just airing a general grievance about the disparity between Republican and Dem leadership. Theirs seems gung ho to hew left, while ours seems dodderingly determined to find the squishy middle.]
As for the DU thread rejoicing over Boehner’s victory, the entire gist of it was this: they believe he is an alcoholic. They expect him shortly to be cited for DUI. [Unless, as some pointed out, he has a driver, in which case he’s home free.] I was troubled enough by their comments to investigate. I checked with a person who is very knowledgeable about insider Washington doings. She said she didn’t think Boehner is an alcoholic, but that he was more likely to cut a deal with the Dems in order to make his tee time. Hmm. That is preferable...I guess.
[On a side note: when it comes to DU mocking our people, I think it’s important on what basis they’re operating. When they spend excess time deriding Palin for ignorance or stupidity, I agree with you-it’s because they fear her. When they mock Boehner because of a perceived over-fondness for alcohol, I’m not sure that falls into the same category. The question, I think, is what’s the alternative (opposite)? In Palin’s case, it’s a smart, informed person-and yes, that IS what they fear. But the opposite of a lush is a sober person, and I’m not sure how terrifying it is to DUers to imagine that Boehner might in fact be (gasp) a non-drunk. They just think he’s a risk to Republicans, whereas, just under the surface of their ridicule, it’s easy to see they think Palin is a risk to Dems. If that makes sense?]
Anyway, I agree with you one-hundred-percent re: the Tea Party. We finally have some leverage, and it’s not going away. Before the Tea Party Republican leadership romped all over conservatives, and faced no real consequences. All that has changed. We finally have a movement that represents US, and we are taking names and keeping score. 2012 may not be as far off as the old guard thinks—and if they betray us yet again, they can expect to pay the price. :)
[Note: I’m writing this tonight because I found out I probably won’t have time tomorrow after all. Oh well; such is life.]
I was happy to post Bachmann, the more people that know about her the better off we are. I noticed that liberals like Chris Matthews just hate her. Like they do Palin, but they aren’t as vocal because she isn’t on that high a stage yet. But they will start talking about her soon I am sure.
I do have an answer to your question though I do believe. Why do we have to hold the feet of our reps while people like Pelosi did it on their own?
Because our reps want to go middle of the road - not upset apple carts, afraid to make changes that could sweep them out. So they try to reach across the isle (sound familiar?) and make nice with their counterparts. Not sounding too radical so th media doesnt have a field day with them.
meanwhile, Pelosi - well she is just a socialist with a vision. She had all this backing from years of conservative presidents that people hated, they really didn’t care what her agenda was as long as it wasn’t conservative. She had the media right where she wanted them and when she could do the most to fulfill her agenda (not for the better of Americans - but the socialists) she did so.
She is an ideologist trying to change the entire system to government nanny state control. She had a counterpart in the senate who wants the same thing and a socialist president who would rubber stamp it all. She was motivated by her greed, power and trappings of office. her ambition was self motivated.
Our RINO’s just want to be re-elected. Make no waves, attract little attention and go along with the program and they get their wish.
It is time that they understood that the only way to be re-elected is to start making noise. the MSM be damned. Do what is right or begone!
that is what the TEA party has brought about, and I for one am very glad that Bachmann is there to make some noise!
Alert Secret Service agents wrestled the basketball to the ground.
I think you put your finger on it. Whenever a Dem lunges Left, the MSM applauds and lionizes him or her. Whenever a Republican inches to the right, the MSM attacks, relentlessly and brutally. So their side gets bold and ours gets cautious.
The only solution, as you also said, is to make our people more afraid of the Tea Party than of the MSM. It would have helped if we could have picked off McCain. It appears he got a bit scared, at least.
The day a high profile RINO who thought they had a safe seat goes down to a Tea Party favorite will probably be the day the rest of the RINOs shape up. We shall see.
To me it was like I was struck by lightning. Why in the world would they put a RINO like McCain in the election at all?
it was because of the very fact that they wanted to appear center left.
Until we get the media under control again, this is what the RNC will look at.
Expect whoever runs in 2012 to be center left of the rest for the most part on serious issues .. UNLESS we can get them afraid of us.
The main issue that we all should be looking at right now is starving off the media who promotes the left. Encouraging the people on the right like Rush, Beck and Fox (although Fox does have some ‘splainin to do) but still as they are as far right as we can get, take what we can. maybe some people in the media will get it right and go more conservative or at least just tell FACTS.
because i am sure that if people understood what was happening from the MSM right now, they would be as outraged as many of us are here on the FR. Only then will the RNC be afraid again and support people that we can get excited about having as a leader.
Here she goes again!
Rep. Michele Bachmann: De-Fund Planned Parenthood
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michele-bachmann-can-t-we-minimum-start
I think she is awesome!
Neutering the MSM would be great, but it seems to me that we have more immediate problems. If you’ve been following Boehner’s picks for powerful committee heads, you know what I mean. Boehner said some flowery, tearful things about the Tea Party, and then stabbed us in the back. If we could defeat a few more of these old school RINOs, it wouldn’t matter what the MSM said or didn’t say. We would have a conservative delegation. With the likes of Boehner in charge, we will get the right words and the wrong actions. It’s that simple.
Thanks for the Bachmann update. She shouldn’t have to do all this on her own. She should have Republican leadership behind her. She doesn’t because they are all about enjoying and aggrandizing their power, and she is all about advancing the conservative cause. Big difference.
You may have also noticed that they are selling us down the river with the ‘bipartisan tax bill’ and START and everything else. They claimed they got the message, but they can’t even pretend to act like it for one month. It’s infuriating.
Personally I don’t think we can hold their feet effectively to the fire until 2012. Hopefully we will be an even stronger and more motivated coalition by then, and we can retire a lot more RINOs. That is our best hope, imho.
Again we aren’t disagreeing about much, just how we should go about things. The ends would be the same.
I am very upset about the tax issue. I think that it was a sell out and I am very unhappy about it. There was no need to attach anything to the cuts. The money that is sent back through these taxes (not raising them) is what will create jobs IMO and nothing at all should have been attached.
It is an immediate problem yes. But the way to fix it is to fix the MSM. Let me see if I can explain my line of reasoning.
The TEA party started a firestorm. But unfortunately, it is not big enough yet to make things happen on it’s own. (like making complete sweeps to get rid of RINO’s) We still need a large portion of the “couch republicans” who watch the MSM to see what they are not normally.
Without control of the media, too many people will believe that RINO’s are conservative.
True Example:I have a friend who is about as conservative as you can imagine. But he is not on FR and only gets his news from places like Fox and what I or others send him.
He thinks Romney would have been a good pick for president. He never realized what has happened with Mass and Romneycare.
Now knowing what has happened he would never pick Romney, but he didn’t know until I put the pieces together for him. If the MSM had been doing it’s job as watchers of our government, then we wouldn’t have to keep pounding out word of mouth.
So many people WANT a conservative government now because of jerks like Obama, Pelosi and Reid we may actually hail them as the ones who brought our country back from the ashes in years to come. They are so bad that people are experiencing a new awakening. They don’t want these jerks in office.
Now is the time to take back the MSM, make them report on these RIONO’s which in turn holds their feet to the fire.
Have I made my point clearly? (having a hard time describing it here)
With the MSM doing their job, we will have a stronger, larger and more effective coalition. A bigger tea party and more people demanding that these representatives represent.
Again, I agree on Bachmann, she is wonderful, I would love to see her as our president, but she has said she wants nothing more than to be congressman. Still she is doing wonderful.
We need more like her.
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