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How Airports Should Profile Terrorists
Real Clear Politics ^ | Nov. 27, 2010 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 11/27/2010 8:17:05 AM PST by UniqueViews

America must focus its finite capabilities on those who crave the destruction of planes and the people who ride them.

What would that profile be? Today's threat comes almost exclusively from militant-Islamic males between about 18 and 35 who hail from the Middle East and predominantly Muslim African and south-Asian nations. This profile was not drawn by anti-Muslim bigots, nervous Jews, or paranoid Southern Baptists. The terrorists themselves created this profile.

It's past time to employ terrorist profiling to shield Americans from those who want to murder us.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airportsecurity; elal; israelairports; obama; profiling; terrorism; terrorists; tsa; tsapervs; tsascanners
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Everyone can see this is the only way to go, if they actually think about the problem they are trying to solve, instead of putting the rights of terrorists ahead of the rights of the innocent American people.

And where are the civil rights organizations? Everyone was up in arms about the "violation of civil rights" when the Bush administration wanted to listen in on phone conversations where one end was a terrorist in a foreign country, the other one in the US. But taking naked pictures and sexually groping innocent Americans, just because they are traveling by air seems perfectly fine.

Where is sanity?

1 posted on 11/27/2010 8:17:06 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

to do that is racial profiling. makes no sense to me. if you are looking for a blonde you do not examine all the redheads walking by.


2 posted on 11/27/2010 8:19:37 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: UniqueViews

Civil Rights people are DEMOCRATS....they would NEVER go against a DEMOCRAT BLACK PRESIDENT.


3 posted on 11/27/2010 8:19:41 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: UniqueViews

We all need to start contacting our Congressmen and demanding that this kind of common sense profiling be at the heart of our security overwatch. CAIR can go screw themselves.


4 posted on 11/27/2010 8:20:13 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: UniqueViews

5 posted on 11/27/2010 8:22:09 AM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: television is just wrong
Hair color is the easiest thing to change.
6 posted on 11/27/2010 8:22:40 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: thethirddegree

The Israelis have a system that is proven to work, and it does NOT involve travelers taking their shoes off, having to pose for naked pictures and stand still for sexually explicit groping. So how can the US justify to not even try a proven system and instead, harass the innocent travelers.


7 posted on 11/27/2010 8:23:49 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

This is a fine plan, yet does nothing for those who are naturalized Americans, like the Portland Bomber, or who will use Europe’s lax laws to travel under British Passports.

What do you do when they stop using Muslim names and travel using documentations that identifies them clearly?

You cannot identify terrorists by appearance.


8 posted on 11/27/2010 8:25:40 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: BenLurkin

hmm, I know just an example. how about if you are looking for a white person you don’t look for asians or latinos.


9 posted on 11/27/2010 8:27:40 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: UniqueViews

There are many things they SHOULD do but won’t. Our Democrat overlords have decided that the average citizen is a potential enemy of the state.

Remember all that talk on MSNBC about Tea Party “extremists”? They actually believe that a white middle class family will sneak a bomb in a toddler’s diaper for the “republic”.


10 posted on 11/27/2010 8:30:23 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: UniqueViews

Good article by Deroy Murdock. Thanks for posting. Works until Islam sends through assymetric zombies...”blond-haired, blue-eyed devils”.


11 posted on 11/27/2010 8:31:40 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Erik Latranyi

“At a Monday night Intelligence Squared debate on this topic at New York University, one of my interlocutors was Debra Burlingame, sister of Charles Burlingame, the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77, which al-Qaeda smashed into the Pentagon. She cited her conversation with an American Airlines customer-service agent who worked on September 11. He checked in Nawaf and Salem al-Hazmi, two of those who hijacked that Boeing 757. While American’s seasoned employee found these two suspicious, Burlingame says he told her he did not flag them for further scrutiny “because I didn’t want my colleague to think that I was a racist and a bigot.”

The Israelis sytem does not focus on appearance — it is merely one of many considerations.

If an eye witness reports a murder committed by a 6’4” white guy, you don’t stop all 5’5 black males, nor short females of any color.


12 posted on 11/27/2010 8:32:00 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

However, it isn’t at all necessary to profile as you suggest. Many of the Arabs and Africans in this country are Christian minorities escaping persecution by Muslims.


13 posted on 11/27/2010 8:32:10 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Erik Latranyi
You cannot identify terrorists by appearance.

You can. You betcha.


14 posted on 11/27/2010 8:32:43 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: UniqueViews

“So how can the US justify to not even try a proven system and instead, harass the innocent travelers.”

The ENTIRE purpose is to harass. The leftists exist for the sole purpose of punishing their enemies out of spite and envy. That enemy is every man, woman, and child who has something they don’t have.


15 posted on 11/27/2010 8:33:53 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Erik Latranyi

What do you do when they stop using Muslim names and travel using documentations that identifies them clearly?
______________________________________________

Like “Richard Reid”


16 posted on 11/27/2010 8:36:20 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Erik Latranyi

There was a really interesting piece on this in the WSJ yesterday. Until I read that, I was really ignorant on the whole profiling debate.

You really can’t do it by appearance. Remember Jihad Jane? According to the article, we should be more concerned with home grown jihadi converts who could be any race.

The emphasis really has to be on profiling, but sticking strictly to physical appearance isn’t going to cut it.

The column also points out that as soon as it becomes clear we are giving extra scrutinty to 18-50 yo ME men, they’ll figure it out & start using another demographic.

These home grown converts are really scary. Body scanners are clearly the wrong techonology tho, at least from what I’ve learned about them. Thermal imagers would make a lot more sense.


17 posted on 11/27/2010 8:36:38 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Erik Latranyi; All; Baynative

Speaking of profiling — see this recently posted article, this guy wasn’t a Christian blonde American either...

Somali-Born Teenager Held in Oregon Bomb Sting

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2633687/posts

Federal agents in a sting operation arrested a Somali-born teenager just as he tried blowing up a van he believed was loaded with explosives at a crowded Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, authorities said.

Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, was arrested at 5:40 p.m. Friday just after he dialed a cell phone that he thought would set off the blast but instead brought federal agents and police swooping down on him.

Yelling “Allahu Akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great!” — Mohamud tried to kick agents and police after he was taken into custody, according to prosecutors.


18 posted on 11/27/2010 8:38:49 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: jazminerose; Erik Latranyi; Tennessee Nana; All

Profiling does NOT mean basing everything on physical appearance — the Israeli method has been proven successful, here is a little more info about it:

Israeli airport gives rare glimpse into security

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=105&sid=2101096

But it requires intelligent, trained workers.


19 posted on 11/27/2010 8:44:33 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

The best profile is - is the traveler a member of the middle eastern death cult cleverly disguised as a religion?

We just need a 100% reliable way to know if a traveler is one of them.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 8:45:55 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: UniqueViews
Speaking of profiling — see this recently posted article, this guy wasn’t a Christian blonde American either... Somali-Born Teenager Held in Oregon Bomb Sting

And if you see his picture, he could pass for any black American. He was a naturalized citizen, so if he didn't use the Muslim name, he would blend in perfectly and nobody would know.

It is a similar problem with firearms. Most states use your driver's license as ID when purchasing a firearm.

The problem is, most states hand out driver licenses like candy at Halloween, undermining the entire system.

Hence, we have criminals from one state getting a driver license in another, thereby, "cleansing" their criminal record.

21 posted on 11/27/2010 8:47:11 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: UniqueViews
At worst, TSA officers might encounter a bomb-wielding passenger who matches the terrorist profile, but then breeze him through security so he doesn't feel uncomfortable. The result could be the sky-high calamity that Americans have feared since September 11.

Big Sis Nurse Ratched has instructed the SS TSA well - the above is more likely than we'd like to think...

22 posted on 11/27/2010 8:47:50 AM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: UniqueViews

It also helps when you only have 2 airports in the entire country.

Nobody is suggesting we don’t need to profile.


23 posted on 11/27/2010 8:48:46 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: UniqueViews

The Israeli method is great and wise. Couple that with bomb-sniffing dogs and solid identity control and you will have a system that can work.


24 posted on 11/27/2010 8:48:46 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

No, you can’t identify potential terrorist just by looking at them, but you can by talking to them and observing them.

If you put all the passenger going onto a plane into a waiting room, and asked them to mingle together for five minutes, and then asked the each of the passengers to make a list of the 10 passengers that should be screened further, I guarantee you would have a lot of consistency in the lists.

I make a mental list of people nearby whenever I’m on a train, a plane, or any crowded place. The government is not going to keep you and your family alive, especially when you are not on a plane. We have to do our own screening. People have an innate sense about people who are acting strangely.

Is this “discrimination”?

Yes.

Might Muslims and foreigners from certain parts of the world feel uncomfortable about this?

Yes.

Did they bring it on themselves by harboring and fostering suicidal killers in their midst?

Yes.


25 posted on 11/27/2010 8:49:03 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Erik Latranyi

Bomb dogs are really great, but not entirely practical. They can’t work 8 hr shifts & stay in full drive. So you need quite a lot of dogs & handlers.

Finding the genetically right dogs & getting then trained is a project. That said, the use of good dogs is one of the few truly good uses of taxpayer money.


26 posted on 11/27/2010 8:51:13 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Erik Latranyi

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

Usama Bin Laden
Ayman Al-Zawahiri
Fahd Mohammed Ahmed Al Quso
Husayn Muhammad Al-Umari
Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali
Anas Al-Liby
Wadoud Muhammad Hafiz Al-Turki
Ahmad Ibrahim Al-Mughass
Abdul Rahman Yasin
Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim
Muhammad Abdullah Khalil Hussain
Saif Al-Adel
Muhammad Ahmed Al-Munawar
Adam Yahiye Gadahn
Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub
Jamel Ahmed Mohammed Ali Al-Badawi
Mohammed Ali Hamadei
Ali Atwa
Hasan Izz-Al-Din
Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
Daniel Andreas (San Diego eco-terrorist)
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed
Jaber A. Elbaneh
Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie
Abd Al Aziz Awda
Isnilon Totoni Hapilon (Filipino, member of Abu Sayyaf group)
Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah
Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser
Adnan G. El Shukrijumai


27 posted on 11/27/2010 8:56:12 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: UniqueViews

Ten minutis studying the problem says that we should profile. Muslims should raise a warning flag. But will this happen? When pigs fly. We are ruled by idiots.


28 posted on 11/27/2010 8:56:34 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Since TSA did not ‘invent’ this method, it would not work for them...!!!!....government at it’s best worst.


29 posted on 11/27/2010 9:03:44 AM PST by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
We are ruled by idiots & evil intel ops.

The idiots we can ignore, the other guys need monitoring(that info would prevent terror).

30 posted on 11/27/2010 9:07:53 AM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: UniqueViews

The article says they use “university students” to do the profiling.

Boy, howdy. I’m not sure I’d want to rely on American college kids to decide who gets on my plane . . .


31 posted on 11/27/2010 9:08:09 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Erik Latranyi
What do you do when they stop using Muslim names and travel using documentations that identifies them clearly?

After 9/11 I had a conversation with a young Muslim friend who was appalled he wasn't check more thoroughly a few weeks later when he flew... he didn't feel airline security people were being kind or open minded - he felt they were putting his life at risk. As he said, the people who might fly an airplane into a building would look like him. And he didn't want to die so American liberals could feel they were 'inclusive'.

Time to get real - it's time for Janet to resign. The only good thing about the TSA is they act as unsuspecting recruiters for the Republican party. The TSA showcases control freak democrats to our advantage. TSA unionized democrats on "PC" speed politically work for us...they are the face of liberal totalitarian thuggery. But it doesn't work for the country. It's time for change - the man who wrote this piece is right - there are better ways.

32 posted on 11/27/2010 9:14:50 AM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: UniqueViews
After 9/11 I had a conversation with a young Muslim friend who was appalled he wasn't check more thoroughly a few weeks later when he flew... he didn't feel airline security people were being kind or open minded - he felt they were putting his life at risk. As he said, the people who might fly an airplane into a building would look like him. And he didn't want to die so American liberals could feel they were 'inclusive'.

Time to get real - it's time for Janet to resign. The only good thing about the TSA is they act as unsuspecting recruiters for the Republican party. The TSA showcases control freak democrats to our advantage. TSA unionized democrats on "PC" speed politically work for us...they are the face of liberal totalitarian thuggery. But it doesn't work for the country. It's time for change - Deroy Murdock - the man who wrote this piece - is right: there are better ways.

33 posted on 11/27/2010 9:16:51 AM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: GOPJ
Kinda reminds me of what Dick Gregory said about the Vietnam war;

'It would have been cheaper to just have given them all $50,000 dollars!"

34 posted on 11/27/2010 9:18:33 AM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: de.rm

Dick Gregory was funny - involved in the civil rights movement BEFORE the three kids were killed in the south... kind of an insightful guy. Didn’t he turned bitter and uber liberal? Who knows, maybe he would side with the Establishment (now liberal) and the TSA in this time...


35 posted on 11/27/2010 9:46:05 AM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: UniqueViews
What would that profile be? Today's threat comes almost exclusively from militant-Islamic males between about 18 and 35 who hail from the Middle East and predominantly Muslim African and south-Asian nations.

Your question: Where is sanity?

Not evident at US airports where profiling would have been a lot cheaper, a lot less invasive upon most Americans, a lot more respective of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and a lot more effective than the fiasco going on now.

FBI thwarts terrorist bombing attempt at Portland holiday tree lighting, authorities say

Snip: Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, a Somali-born U.S. citizen, was arrested at 5:42 p.m., 18 minutes before the tree lighting was to occur, on an accusation of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. The felony charge carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a $250,000 fine.

36 posted on 11/27/2010 9:49:43 AM PST by MamaDearest
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To: GOPJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTfoVxygTSc


37 posted on 11/27/2010 9:54:42 AM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: MamaDearest

“The felony charge carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a $250,000 fine.”

Let’s hope that’s exactly what this murderous little piece of garbage gets.


38 posted on 11/27/2010 10:12:23 AM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: UniqueViews

All we need to do is hire a few people from El Al as consultants or even as full-time administrators. We could save billions, and avoid having innocent Americans irradiated and groped.


39 posted on 11/27/2010 10:14:43 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Ann Archy

The investigative arm of the Homeland Security Department appears to be shutting down websites that facilitate copyright infringement. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has seized dozens of domain names over the past few days, according to TorrentFreak. ICE appears to be targeting sites that help Internet users download copyrighted music, as well as sites that sell bootleg goods, such as fake designer handbags. The sites are replaced with a note from the government: “This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations.”

MEANWHILE, THERE CONTINUES TO BE NO EFFORT TO SEIZE ILLEGALS IN ARIZONA.


40 posted on 11/27/2010 10:29:43 AM PST by Mr. Wright
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To: UniqueViews

“So how can the US justify to not even try a proven system....”

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Because the US are PC and we do not want to offeeeeend moooooderate Muslims.


41 posted on 11/27/2010 10:48:19 AM PST by 353FMG (In the end, it will be either ISLAM or America -- it can never be both. Choose NOW!)
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To: GOPJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sZzaB5lEjw&feature=fvw


42 posted on 11/27/2010 11:23:01 AM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: PGalt
Works until Islam sends through assymetric zombies...”blond-haired, blue-eyed devils”.

Already been done.

Presenting Jihad Jane:


43 posted on 11/27/2010 12:03:58 PM PST by superloser
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To: jazminerose
You really can’t do it by appearance.

Psychological profiling has little to do with appearance. It's based on behavior.

44 posted on 11/27/2010 1:37:22 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: de.rm

He’s still got the gift - that was funny. Thanks for sharing.


45 posted on 11/27/2010 1:58:12 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: jazminerose
The column also points out that as soon as it becomes clear we are giving extra scrutiny to 18-50 yo ME men, they’ll figure it out & start using another demographic.

That's true - but there aren't that many Americans who will blow themselves up to get some theoretical 72 virgins. I suspect to have that type of insanity most people would have to be raised with it.

Also, there's behavior profiling - blood pressure readings, heart rate stuff - pure instinct on the part of people who have looked for terrorists for years... Then incentives could be put in place to divide every day Muslims from the nuts - put them on our side...

The only good thing about the TSA is they're actively recruiting for Republicans by they way they treat people....

46 posted on 11/27/2010 2:20:30 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: superloser

Thanks for the reminder, superloser. I’d forgotten about that asymmetric zombie of Islam.


47 posted on 11/27/2010 2:55:04 PM PST by PGalt
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To: jazminerose

Got that right. Israelis all do military service and having lived in a country the size of New Jersey, have experienced terrorism first hand.


48 posted on 11/27/2010 3:16:25 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: UniqueViews

Abdul...pass...

Muhammad...pass...

Smith...”Please step through to the right and be prepared to be radiated, fondled and strip searched...”

Amenidejad...pass...

Obama...pass...

Johnson...”Please step in behind Mr. Smith there to the right...”


49 posted on 11/27/2010 3:27:44 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: PGalt
I’d forgotten about that asymmetric zombie of Islam.

No worries. It is easy to do as they are quite rare.

50 posted on 11/27/2010 5:26:15 PM PST by superloser
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