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To: Graybeard58
> Land-based windmills also have been known to kill large numbers of wild birds, and even have been called "Cuisinarts of the air."

Large-scale wind-power projects have plenty of problems and downsides.

But this crap about killing large numbers of birds is just the same tired hallucination as always. No one has ever produced so much as a verified picture of these "large numbers" of dead bird carcasses killed by the props, much less the carcasses themselves. The number of birds estimated to be killed in collisions with props -- by even the most anti-wind-power bird lovers -- is a few tens of thousands, a completely negligible number compared to the bird populations.

American Bird Conservancy cites studies that indicate that about 10,000 - 40,000 birds die each year from collisions with wind turbines in the U.S. and say that number may rise substantially as wind capacity increases in the absence of mandatory guidelines. However, studies show that the number of birds killed by wind turbines is very low compared to the number of those that die as a result of certain other ways of generating electricity and especially of the environmental impacts of using non-clean power sources. Fossil fuel generation kills around twenty times as many birds per unit of energy produced than wind-farms.*

There are plenty of arguments against large-scale wind power. But the "bird killer" argument is, with the pun fully intended, a "canard".

* Quote from Wikipedia

12 posted on 11/28/2010 1:16:17 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

I don’t buy into the whole bird chopping thing, but neither do I trust any estimate like “twenty times” fossil fuels, because I have no idea how they generate that statistic. That is just as meaningless to me.

I would be willing to bet the methodology of counting bird deaths from fossil fuels is a computer generated estimate, based on lost habitat, food sources, etc.

I would actually trust windmill estimates, because I bet they are at least extrapolated from bird carcass counts in the vicinity of windmills in a given area. But even with that, look at the numbers...10,000 to 40,000. That indicates to me they simply don’t know and are just making it up.

I agree there are better arguments against it than bird deaths, but if you want to turn liberals against it, an emotional argument like that will probably work wonders. Throw in polar bear deaths, and you are probably on to something...:)


20 posted on 11/28/2010 1:42:11 PM PST by rlmorel ("We treat terrorists with kid gloves, and our citizens with rubber gloves." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: dayglored

You’re right about the bird canard. Here are some bird death numbers from Lomborg.

Some 300,000 birds are killed by mammals, mostly cats, in Great Britain every 48 hours, and 250,000 birds die from striking plate glass in homes and offices in the United States every 24 hours.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A12789-2001Oct18


21 posted on 11/28/2010 1:52:24 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: dayglored

I love windmills just for the reason that they are liberal, environmentally-friendly bird grinders.

I’d love to see a ton of endangered species die out at the hands of the enviro-nuts.


34 posted on 11/28/2010 4:14:20 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: dayglored

Yeah, because wikipedia is a neutral source.

Good for you.


35 posted on 11/28/2010 5:19:46 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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