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Local TSA Agent Speaks Out On Pat-Downs
CBS Pittsburg ^ | November 24, 2010 | Jon Delano

Posted on 11/28/2010 4:00:52 PM PST by MsLady

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Passengers may be unhappy over long lines and enhanced security at the airports, but it’s a feeling shared by many at TSA.

“There’s a lot more tension both by officers, fellow officers, and passengers,” one Pittsburgh TSA officer told KDKA’s Jon Delano in an exclusive interview.

TSA officers don’t like the new aggressive pat-downs of passengers either.

“I truly feel that it is morally and ethically wrong to do it,” the agent noted. “This does not make flying safer. It’s just taking away American citizens rights.” And all the horror stories at other airports only make things worse.

“Everybody shudders when they hear that because they know that is not what we’re supposed to be doing,” the agent said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
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To: mad_as_he$$

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51 posted on 11/28/2010 5:06:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Re: Gov. Sarah Palin: Even the lion has to defend himself against flies. ~German Proverb)
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To: CORedneck

Indeed.
They should be dressed casually.


52 posted on 11/28/2010 5:06:44 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

“Quitting is for losers”

Sorry I’m not buying it. When your employer asks you to commit crimes on the job, you quit. You don’t commit the crimes and “blow the whistle”.


53 posted on 11/28/2010 5:09:52 PM PST by devere
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To: al baby

“Then quit and go work at home depot”

An inside man is worth 10 outside men.


54 posted on 11/28/2010 5:18:27 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: MsLady
I would suggest there WAS indeed a significant public backlash against the TSA's attempt to assault the Fourth Amendment this past Thanksgiving. And it worked !

Just as was done to photographs showing the size and scope of the Tea Party march on Washington DC as well as the (August 28) 8/28 DC Rally, the Main Stream Media REFUSED to report what really happened. The MSM has done it before and will do it again and again. The MSM is an organ of Obama's administration.

I believe the TSA had orders to Stand Down on using their naked scanning machines and their sexual assault pat-downs to the traveling public on Thanksgiving Eve and Thanksgiving Day.


55 posted on 11/28/2010 5:19:08 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: MsLady

Some TSA gropers may be temporarily experiencing some pangs of conscience while they conduct pre-detention-style searches of air passengers. Something seems awry when the TSA orders that every air passenger be treated as a potential terrorist. Perhaps a few are even aware that the 4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches, and that no reasonable human being would suspect an elderly, native-born nun or a crippled, native-born child of being a terrorist.

Ever hear of the Milgram Experiment?

The pangs of conscience will dissipate as the TSA gropers learn to rationalize that, since they are merely agents for a recognized authority (US TSA), they bear no moral responsibility for what they do. They’re just following orders.


56 posted on 11/28/2010 5:24:35 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: MsLady

“If you went through the airport to get on a plane. Could you do a citizens arrest? You refuse the scanner and refuse the molestation and they insist on it. Or do they not insist, hold you, which wouldn’t that be holding you prisoner, that’s also against the law....hmmmm.”

Hmmmm ... sounds like a great way to get tasered, spend the night in jail, and get fined $11000.


57 posted on 11/28/2010 5:28:36 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: MsLady

I’d do a lot of things to keep shelter over my family’s head and food on the table but rubbing another man’s testicles in a security line ain’t one of them.


58 posted on 11/28/2010 5:32:03 PM PST by Outrance
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To: JohnnyP

Remember how many conservatives were perfectly down with the Patriot Act?


59 posted on 11/28/2010 5:34:56 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Slings and Arrows

“The push-back is starting. Believe me, it is.”

I don’t see it, what am I missing? I feel so helpless!!


62 posted on 11/28/2010 6:19:05 PM PST by yellowroses
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To: MsLady

I have left two jobs this last year because I was unwilling to follow the companies unethical and/or unsafe practices. This last time I was without work for 4 months, but that is all right. I still have my integrity and now I am back on a project for a few months.


63 posted on 11/28/2010 6:19:05 PM PST by born2bfree
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To: troublesome creek

Earlier this year I complimented the security team (TSA?) at Fairbanks International. Very calm, professional, crisp uniforms, even helpful, no bullying, no over-the-top searches. Almost military bearing, which in my mind is a plus. I expressed the hope that they can keep it up.


64 posted on 11/28/2010 6:21:07 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincitfy)
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To: mbravo37
I've heard that University labs in California and Arizona are convinced that the radiation levels are higher than the government admits and want independent (other than government agency) testing. Anyone have further information?
65 posted on 11/28/2010 6:32:16 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincitfy)
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To: devere; mylife

To Ethical TSA Agents Everywhere Contemplating Quitting:

Well you could not quit AND not do the crime. The whole point of a federal job is it doesn’t even exist, theoretically, without the sanction of the Constitution and the People. Make them take it away from you, because that job doesn’t belong to the criminals; it belongs to *us.* Quitting is ceding territory to the enemy and you don’t have to surrender. If you just quit, the regime can find others who will behave as criminals to take your place and increase their numbers, and their control, in the federal ranks, but for the moment, you hold that hill; transform that job by insisting on doing what’s right, and don’t give it up without a fight. Every person of conscience who holds a federal job is a shield against the encroaching darkness; we need you there fighting, not just for yourself, but for all of us.


66 posted on 11/28/2010 7:07:41 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

“To Ethical TSA Agents Everywhere Contemplating Quitting:”

How about “To Waffen SS officers contemplating quitting”.

If you do the crime you are a criminal. It really doesn’t matter if you disapproved of the crime you did.


67 posted on 11/28/2010 7:13:23 PM PST by devere
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To: Springfield Reformer

68 posted on 11/28/2010 7:13:59 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

I betcha they are big time. I’m sure that the flying public not being happy about this is helping that along as well.


69 posted on 11/28/2010 7:18:26 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: devere

These people are on the front lines.

Appreciate that they are as outraged as us.

Throw a monkey wrench in the machine, I say.


70 posted on 11/28/2010 7:19:17 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Skepolitic
Ever hear of the Milgram Experiment?

No I haven't. What is it?

71 posted on 11/28/2010 7:21:04 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

>> “I truly feel that it is morally and ethically wrong to do it,” the agent noted.

Unfortunately, there are many “morally and ethically” corrupt jackasses that are willing and eager to take this guy’s job.


72 posted on 11/28/2010 7:22:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: born2bfree

Good for you!!!! Takes courage and conviction to do that.


73 posted on 11/28/2010 7:23:24 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Gene Eric

Yep, your probably right. I’ve heard they don’t even screen the TSA agents. Not sure how true that is.


74 posted on 11/28/2010 7:24:36 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: mylife

>> Throw a monkey wrench in the machine, I say.

Keep reminding Congress the methods are unacceptable. It can stop this.


75 posted on 11/28/2010 7:24:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: devere

I work for a defense contractor. I thought I was working for freedom.

Under Bush they said I could be fired for having tobacco in my car.

I’m still here, bitching and making people think, why would you take a mans livelihood for something that is legal?

It’s all a load of shit.

I call this stuff pressure politics, the pressure interview.
Spill it, whop them upside the head, tell them who you are and beware what you have revealed to them.

We have to fight from all sides.

We have the local legislation’s and Congress, lets get busy.


76 posted on 11/28/2010 7:28:29 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Skepolitic

LOTS


77 posted on 11/28/2010 7:29:03 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Skepolitic
Something seems awry when the TSA orders that every air passenger be treated as a potential terrorist.

NOT TRUE.

Per the TSA agent the elderly get the worst of it and he states that it is ridiculous.

78 posted on 11/28/2010 7:31:46 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: yellowroses

They have given pilots a pass and air crews a pass.

They are backpedaling fast.


79 posted on 11/28/2010 7:33:41 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Skepolitic

Ever hear of the Sherman experiment? Similar to Milgram, except that the subjects were given an opportunity in advance to reflect on the ethical dimensions of certain acts. When they were later asked to perform those acts, two thirds refused. Our TSA agents are more like Sherman’s people than Milgram’s, because the horridness of the molestations is being daily held before them; the moral recalibration of the Sherman process is occurring.

May I also suggest we could enhance and accelerate the Sherman Effect if we could find individuals in or near the organization and walk them through some moral reflection on their actions. It is right to fear where the moral gullibility of our friends and neighbors in the TSA could lead, but we are not the Weimar Republic. We have travelled a different path to get where we are now, we have much better resources, and a much better chance at mass public education to counteract the propaganda than they did. This does not have to end badly.


80 posted on 11/28/2010 7:34:38 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: MsLady

We are all outraged.


81 posted on 11/28/2010 7:35:30 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Gene Eric

We can squeeze tighter than they can.

They forget from time to time who is boss.


82 posted on 11/28/2010 7:37:13 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: MsLady
The following is a brief summary of the Milgram experiment and its significance, with additional information suggesting a way to avert a Migram scenario:

Conscience and Authority

83 posted on 11/28/2010 7:49:01 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: MsLady

Milgram Experiment - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Video of the experiment is at http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQzMzQ2MjI0.html


84 posted on 11/28/2010 8:19:08 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Sunshine Sister

Always a pleasure.


85 posted on 11/28/2010 9:00:20 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: ArmyTeach
I have a friend who works with X-rays and she was talking to me about how much more harmful those radiation is than getting and X-ray or flying. They frequently scan the employees there, I'm not sure how it works, but she said she never it beep on her, meaning her radiation levels were getting high, until after she had a body scan. Between the two I'm glad to get the pat down. I do think the government is trying to hide how bad they are and that is why they are keeping up with this pat down routine despite all the negative attention.
86 posted on 11/29/2010 4:45:42 PM PST by mbravo37
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To: PalmettoMason

“Terrorists may kill a few... those who take our freedoms get us ALL.”
I pick getting an uncomfortable pat down over a single person dying any day. This is the same kind of mentality that led to the possibility of 9/11 happening. As people get crazier we have to keep stepping it up to protect every one else. How can you even say that.


87 posted on 11/29/2010 4:46:19 PM PST by mbravo37
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To: mbravo37
I pick getting an uncomfortable pat down over a single person dying any day. This is the same kind of mentality that led to the possibility of 9/11 happening. As people get crazier we have to keep stepping it up to protect every one else. How can you even say that.

I "say that" because I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States... which happens to include the 4th Amendment.

I'm not willing to give up ANY of my rights. Some things are worth dying for. I guess you are willing to give up your right to keep and bear arms because those "evil guns" are dangerous.

Yeah, better that we should all give up our guns rather than a "single person dying any day".

Again, welcome to FR. I predict a short stay. 99.9% of the folks here value LIBERTY over all else. I doubt you end up liking it here.

88 posted on 11/29/2010 5:18:18 PM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when half the population is happy being sheep.)
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