Skip to comments.Local TSA Agent Speaks Out On Pat-Downs
Posted on 11/28/2010 4:00:52 PM PST by MsLady
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They should be dressed casually.
“Quitting is for losers”
Sorry I’m not buying it. When your employer asks you to commit crimes on the job, you quit. You don’t commit the crimes and “blow the whistle”.
“Then quit and go work at home depot”
An inside man is worth 10 outside men.
Some TSA gropers may be temporarily experiencing some pangs of conscience while they conduct pre-detention-style searches of air passengers. Something seems awry when the TSA orders that every air passenger be treated as a potential terrorist. Perhaps a few are even aware that the 4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches, and that no reasonable human being would suspect an elderly, native-born nun or a crippled, native-born child of being a terrorist.
Ever hear of the Milgram Experiment?
The pangs of conscience will dissipate as the TSA gropers learn to rationalize that, since they are merely agents for a recognized authority (US TSA), they bear no moral responsibility for what they do. They’re just following orders.
“If you went through the airport to get on a plane. Could you do a citizens arrest? You refuse the scanner and refuse the molestation and they insist on it. Or do they not insist, hold you, which wouldnt that be holding you prisoner, thats also against the law....hmmmm.”
Hmmmm ... sounds like a great way to get tasered, spend the night in jail, and get fined $11000.
I’d do a lot of things to keep shelter over my family’s head and food on the table but rubbing another man’s testicles in a security line ain’t one of them.
Remember how many conservatives were perfectly down with the Patriot Act?
“The push-back is starting. Believe me, it is.”
I don’t see it, what am I missing? I feel so helpless!!
I have left two jobs this last year because I was unwilling to follow the companies unethical and/or unsafe practices. This last time I was without work for 4 months, but that is all right. I still have my integrity and now I am back on a project for a few months.
Earlier this year I complimented the security team (TSA?) at Fairbanks International. Very calm, professional, crisp uniforms, even helpful, no bullying, no over-the-top searches. Almost military bearing, which in my mind is a plus. I expressed the hope that they can keep it up.
To Ethical TSA Agents Everywhere Contemplating Quitting:
Well you could not quit AND not do the crime. The whole point of a federal job is it doesn’t even exist, theoretically, without the sanction of the Constitution and the People. Make them take it away from you, because that job doesn’t belong to the criminals; it belongs to *us.* Quitting is ceding territory to the enemy and you don’t have to surrender. If you just quit, the regime can find others who will behave as criminals to take your place and increase their numbers, and their control, in the federal ranks, but for the moment, you hold that hill; transform that job by insisting on doing what’s right, and don’t give it up without a fight. Every person of conscience who holds a federal job is a shield against the encroaching darkness; we need you there fighting, not just for yourself, but for all of us.
“To Ethical TSA Agents Everywhere Contemplating Quitting:”
How about “To Waffen SS officers contemplating quitting”.
If you do the crime you are a criminal. It really doesn’t matter if you disapproved of the crime you did.
I betcha they are big time. I’m sure that the flying public not being happy about this is helping that along as well.
These people are on the front lines.
Appreciate that they are as outraged as us.
Throw a monkey wrench in the machine, I say.
No I haven't. What is it?
>> “I truly feel that it is morally and ethically wrong to do it,” the agent noted.
Unfortunately, there are many “morally and ethically” corrupt jackasses that are willing and eager to take this guy’s job.
Good for you!!!! Takes courage and conviction to do that.
Yep, your probably right. I’ve heard they don’t even screen the TSA agents. Not sure how true that is.
>> Throw a monkey wrench in the machine, I say.
Keep reminding Congress the methods are unacceptable. It can stop this.
I work for a defense contractor. I thought I was working for freedom.
Under Bush they said I could be fired for having tobacco in my car.
I’m still here, bitching and making people think, why would you take a mans livelihood for something that is legal?
It’s all a load of shit.
I call this stuff pressure politics, the pressure interview.
Spill it, whop them upside the head, tell them who you are and beware what you have revealed to them.
We have to fight from all sides.
We have the local legislation’s and Congress, lets get busy.
Per the TSA agent the elderly get the worst of it and he states that it is ridiculous.
They have given pilots a pass and air crews a pass.
They are backpedaling fast.
Ever hear of the Sherman experiment? Similar to Milgram, except that the subjects were given an opportunity in advance to reflect on the ethical dimensions of certain acts. When they were later asked to perform those acts, two thirds refused. Our TSA agents are more like Sherman’s people than Milgram’s, because the horridness of the molestations is being daily held before them; the moral recalibration of the Sherman process is occurring.
May I also suggest we could enhance and accelerate the Sherman Effect if we could find individuals in or near the organization and walk them through some moral reflection on their actions. It is right to fear where the moral gullibility of our friends and neighbors in the TSA could lead, but we are not the Weimar Republic. We have travelled a different path to get where we are now, we have much better resources, and a much better chance at mass public education to counteract the propaganda than they did. This does not have to end badly.
We are all outraged.
We can squeeze tighter than they can.
They forget from time to time who is boss.
Milgram Experiment - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Video of the experiment is at http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQzMzQ2MjI0.html
Always a pleasure.
“Terrorists may kill a few... those who take our freedoms get us ALL.”
I pick getting an uncomfortable pat down over a single person dying any day. This is the same kind of mentality that led to the possibility of 9/11 happening. As people get crazier we have to keep stepping it up to protect every one else. How can you even say that.
I "say that" because I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States... which happens to include the 4th Amendment.
I'm not willing to give up ANY of my rights. Some things are worth dying for. I guess you are willing to give up your right to keep and bear arms because those "evil guns" are dangerous.
Yeah, better that we should all give up our guns rather than a "single person dying any day".
Again, welcome to FR. I predict a short stay. 99.9% of the folks here value LIBERTY over all else. I doubt you end up liking it here.