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Obama to Freeze Pay for Most Federal Workers (for 2 Years)
NYT ^ | 11-29-10 | Peter Baker

Posted on 11/29/2010 8:15:05 AM PST by pillut48

WASHINGTON -- President Obama plans to announce a two-year pay freeze for civilian federal workers later Monday morning, according to an administration official, the latest White House move intended to demonstrate concern over sky-high deficit spending.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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Oh, dear. And just in time for the Christmas Winter holidays!!

Key phrase: "...to demonstrate concern..." In other words: phony 'proposal' intended to gin up brownie points for the WH to deflect truth about crazy, out of control spending from the current regime!

Do y'all think there will be rioting in the streets like the recent ones in France and Greece over this proposal? Personally, I doubt it will happen, but then again...this whole bizarro current regime is capable of anything! But I think this will be twisted in some way that turns out bad not only for gubmint workers, but ALL of us. *sigh*
1 posted on 11/29/2010 8:15:06 AM PST by pillut48
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To: Admin Moderator

Hey, I originally saw this on Twitter and posted their title, then found the NYT one-for some reason I couldn’t get the edit on the title to go through, can you change it to this real one from NYT?

Obama to Freeze Pay for Most Federal Workers for 2 Years

Thanks!


2 posted on 11/29/2010 8:18:13 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: pillut48

STOP THE PENSIONS!!! ROLL BACK PAYROLL!!


3 posted on 11/29/2010 8:18:29 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: All

D’oh. Ignore #2, when the article went through it had my original title, but when I wrote to admin mod, and sent it through the title had changed—durn gremlins! :-[


4 posted on 11/29/2010 8:19:38 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: pillut48

Kinda sounds like Nixon’s 90 day wage and price freeze. I was in the military at the time and my pay was locked. Eventually it was ruled unconstitutional.


5 posted on 11/29/2010 8:19:58 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: pillut48

These must be those low wage federal workers who need to be punished for voting Republican.


6 posted on 11/29/2010 8:20:12 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: pillut48

Translation: “I’ve already increased the federal payroll extravagantly, so I can afford to freeze it for two years until after the next election.”


7 posted on 11/29/2010 8:20:32 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pillut48

Furloughs???


8 posted on 11/29/2010 8:20:32 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Is it proper etiquette to tip after a enhanced pat down?)
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To: pillut48

Freeze the pay AFTER BRINGING IT IN LINE TO PRIVATE SECTOR RATES and you’re talking business. Freezing the current rates guarantees they will be grossly overpaid for the next two years.


9 posted on 11/29/2010 8:21:05 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: pillut48
Right. This is just more 'Kabuki Presidency' BS. If it flies... it will put him a little further from winning in the next national election but it WILL help the country.

Personally, I don't think it WILL fly and I don't think it is MEANT to.

Just more ‘O’ slapstick politics.

10 posted on 11/29/2010 8:21:06 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: pillut48
While a pay freeze will make only a small dent in the federal deficit, it represents a symbolic gesture toward public anger over unemployment, the anemic economic recovery and rising national debt. By announcing it on Monday, the president effectively will preempt Republicans who have been talking about making such a move once they take over the House and assume more seats in the Senate in January.
11 posted on 11/29/2010 8:21:37 AM PST by kabar
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To: pillut48

In our local gov’t they have not only instituted hiring and pay freezes, but everybody’s pay got cut from the mayor on down (except for the unionized fire and police departments.)


12 posted on 11/29/2010 8:22:09 AM PST by dawn53
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To: All

I’m going to scope out the DUmp and see what their reaction to this news is- < dons super duper FR hazmat suit >

LOL. So far, the only response over there is “Does that include congress?” ;-)


13 posted on 11/29/2010 8:23:36 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: Ann Archy
This part from the article tells you all you need to know about how out of control it has been:

Since 2000, federal pay and benefits have increased 3 percent annually above inflation, compared with 0.8 percent for private sector workers, according to data cited by the newspaper.

3 percent real annual growth compounded over 10 years. Sick.
14 posted on 11/29/2010 8:24:52 AM PST by rockvillem
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Translation: “I’ve already increased the federal payroll extravagantly, so I can afford to freeze it for two years until after the next election.”

Bingo!

15 posted on 11/29/2010 8:25:12 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: pillut48

“will freeze pay for MOST federal workers ...” Meanwhile, certain federal workers, like Congressmembers, will continue to receive annual raises.


16 posted on 11/29/2010 8:25:12 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: pillut48
Obama to Freeze Pay for Most Non-SEIU Federal Workers for 2 Years

More accurate headline


17 posted on 11/29/2010 8:25:18 AM PST by Zakeet (Like the wise Wee Wee said, "We can't be broke ... we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Quick! slam the barn door and lock it! never mind the horses, cattle, and sheep destroying the garden...


18 posted on 11/29/2010 8:25:21 AM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Gaffer
"Kinda sounds like Nixon’s 90 day wage and price freeze. Eventually it was ruled unconstitutional."

I do not remember the 'unconstitutional' ruling. Can you provide a link or other source for that information? Thank you.

19 posted on 11/29/2010 8:25:38 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: kabar
By announcing it on Monday, the president effectively will preempt Republicans who have been talking about making such a move once they take over the House and assume more seats in the Senate in January.

The Republican Congress can always extend the pay freeze to themselves and their staffs. What are the chances of that happening?

20 posted on 11/29/2010 8:25:43 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: pillut48
Thank you for sharing this information.

Unfortunately for those in the US military, this pay freeze is in effect for them as well.

I recently read an article in the AF Times that their pay will be frozen for 3 years.

What say you on this?

21 posted on 11/29/2010 8:26:13 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: pillut48

I won’t be surprised if this so-called freeze turns out not to be a real freeze. What about annual step increases — frozen? What about annual COLAs — frozen? What about token promotions — frozen? What about hiring — frozen?


22 posted on 11/29/2010 8:28:03 AM PST by skookum55 ("We can give up on America or we can give up on this president ...." D. D'Souza)
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To: pillut48

...but if you gets a promotion, you gets a pay raise. example..G9 to G10.


23 posted on 11/29/2010 8:28:17 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: pillut48

Will he get his way and freeze military pay for 3 years as Gates and Mullin are requesting?


24 posted on 11/29/2010 8:28:26 AM PST by submarinerswife (Stay focused and determined. Our destination is NOVEMBER!!)
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To: JudyinCanada

this freeze is akin to jacking up prices before Black Friday so everyone thinks the deals are worth waiting in line for.

the real thing killing our republic are their pensions.


25 posted on 11/29/2010 8:30:22 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Prole

The article said CIVILIAN, that wouldn’t include the military, would it? < puzzled >

Haven’t heard about the military freeze for 3 years (OUTRAGEOUS!! THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE PAID SO MUCH MORE FOR THEIR SACRIFICES!!)...I hope that isn’t true! Military families have to struggle so much financially, that’s just crazy...I wonder if the current regime is trying to winnow out the armed forces (people who will resign or not re-up) by doing such a thing???

God, I pray that our country survives TIIC!! >:-(


26 posted on 11/29/2010 8:31:48 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: JudyinCanada

My employer is seriously thinking about going to a four day work week to save on payroll. We employ six people, all long term.


27 posted on 11/29/2010 8:31:57 AM PST by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

having some experience in this particular field, let me tell you what it means.....the money for the pay increase was already “assumed” in each agency’s budget request for salaries. This means that without a pay increase this money is freed up. Because you must spend all the money you receive (to avoid lapsing funds), this “extra” money is now available to hire additional employees.

Sorry to report, but that’s exactly what happens.


28 posted on 11/29/2010 8:32:20 AM PST by The Big Boo (Lone Wolf M/C)
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To: Non-Sequitur

They can set their staff salaries and give part of their own salaries to charity. In this particular instance, Obama is just getting out in front of the parade. The Reps were going to do this anyway. And no doubt, Obama can tie this to the Deficit Commission report, which is probably recommending the same thing. It will come out shortly.


29 posted on 11/29/2010 8:32:46 AM PST by kabar
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To: Ann Archy

Ronald Reagan changed the Fed Govt. pension plans. It stopped being an annuity (read taxpayer pays all of it) to one that combined social security with a 401(k)-type program. Just like a big business, the employee pays social security and contributes to financial funds (like Wilshire 500). The Fed Gov matches up to a certain amount.

So to say stop the pensions you are saying stop social security in essence. Is this what you mean? How will that affect you?


30 posted on 11/29/2010 8:33:17 AM PST by glm
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To: Buffalo Head

I don’t have a link for it. It was over 40 years ago. I just remember it being unconstitutional and much much later was given a check to compensate for it.


31 posted on 11/29/2010 8:33:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: submarinerswife
Per WaPo: "The freeze applies to all federal employees -- including civilian employees of the Defense Department, but not military personnel."

But it also mentions this gigantic loophole: "The freeze will not impact step increases or bonuses for federal workers, according to the White House."

32 posted on 11/29/2010 8:33:31 AM PST by abbyg55
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To: Soothesayer

That’s the way it’s going to work. Look for a lot of GS-step promotions in the next two years. Each step’s pay rate will be frozen, but any promotion deserves a raise. Those at the low end, just by the nature of their jobs, will find it difficult to get promotions.


33 posted on 11/29/2010 8:33:31 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: The Big Boo

Congress hasn’t approved the federal budget for the upcoming fiscal year. A continuing resolution would freeze spending levels at the current year levels.


34 posted on 11/29/2010 8:35:24 AM PST by kabar
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To: pillut48

They talked about freezing military pay (and actually DID freeze retiree COLA pay) and we get nary a peep. Can’t wait to see how all the “gub’mint” workers are up in arms over this....


35 posted on 11/29/2010 8:35:34 AM PST by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: JudyinCanada

“Freeze the pay AFTER BRINGING IT IN LINE TO PRIVATE SECTOR RATES and you’re talking business.”

Now you’re talking! Per the article, federal pay and benefits increased 34% over the past decade, while in that time private sector pay and benefits increased 8%.

Keep this in mind the next time you spend two hours on hold and being shuffled from bureaucrat to bureaucrat when calling a federal agency to ask a simple question. You get to witness first hand how underworked the bureaucrats are, you now know how overpaid they are, and you get to see how your own productivity dives while attempting to gather a tidbit of information.


36 posted on 11/29/2010 8:36:37 AM PST by skookum55 ("We can give up on America or we can give up on this president ...." D. D'Souza)
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To: VanShuyten

He will do the same thing as he does to Social Security. The fed workers get their pay frozen but then receive a special $2,500 one time payment hidden in a 10,000 page bill.


37 posted on 11/29/2010 8:37:52 AM PST by MiltonFriedmanFan
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To: pillut48

2 year freeze. Big whoopeedoo. They are already overpaid.


38 posted on 11/29/2010 8:38:33 AM PST by hoyt-clagwell (5:00 AM Gym Crew)
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To: The Big Boo

Makes sense, and is also more of the same. Disgusting.


39 posted on 11/29/2010 8:38:34 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pillut48

actually a pay freeze is OTAY by me- over half of any “pay raise” just goes right back to Uncle in higher taxes.
At the marginal rate, it’s better to just throttle back a bit ... take more vacation time .... ..and CUT BACK ON SPENDING AND DEBT.

Barry, we got yer “economy stimulation” right here!


40 posted on 11/29/2010 8:39:10 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: pillut48

Hey, I’d be happy if they freeze my pay at the level the fed workers get paid (average).


41 posted on 11/29/2010 8:39:58 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

As soon as the Poseur gets the smallest pushback from anyone in the government he will crank up the waiver machine. His statements mean absolutely nothing, indeed, they are signal indicators you should expect the reverse to actually happen.


42 posted on 11/29/2010 8:41:01 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: glm
Reagan in his deal with Tip O'Neil on the passage of P.L. 98-21, (H.R. 1900) Social Security Amendments of 1983-Signed on April 20, 1983 agreed to make SS mandatory for all federal employees hired after 1983. The act also increased taxes and raised the retirement age for full benefits from 65 to 67.

There is still a civil service pension system, plus SS and the Thrifty Plan [the equivalent of a 401K program. Federal employees have a three-legged stool of pensions.

43 posted on 11/29/2010 8:41:32 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
"...While a pay freeze will make only a small dent in the federal deficit, it represents a symbolic gesture toward public anger over unemployment, the anemic economic recovery and rising national debt..."

B.S! Wont happen. By the end of the week various groups of federal employees will be presenting their cases and 0 will dutifully cave in and start granting exemptions.

The whole thing will turn into another 0 In Wonderland scam.

44 posted on 11/29/2010 8:42:41 AM PST by skimbell
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To: pillut48
intended to demonstrate concern over sky-high deficit spending Really "intended to demonstrate concern" as apposed to really concerning themselves over this? Hmmpt!
45 posted on 11/29/2010 8:43:07 AM PST by ColdOne (.)
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To: pillut48
How about a cut, like I had to take?

Mike

46 posted on 11/29/2010 8:44:37 AM PST by MichaelP (It's the end of the world as they know it, and I'm so glad!)
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To: skimbell

No, there will be a freeze. Congress will approve it overwhelmingly. It is good politics.


47 posted on 11/29/2010 8:44:42 AM PST by kabar
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To: Ann Archy

That is exactly what Obama is preventing with his freeze-pay cuts.


48 posted on 11/29/2010 8:44:45 AM PST by csmusaret (Q: How do they say incompetent failure in Kenya? A: Barack Obama)
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To: pillut48
freeze
49 posted on 11/29/2010 8:45:49 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: pillut48

Can you imagine if Bush had proposed this?


50 posted on 11/29/2010 8:49:27 AM PST by RabidBartender
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