Skip to comments.Author on Fox News: Obama's Grandmother Said Barack was born in Mombasa, Kenya
Posted on 11/29/2010 11:40:47 AM PST by RobinMasters
Watch how fast the Fox puppets change the subject. What are they so afraid of ?
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We shouldn't have to guess. That's the whole point of asking for legal proof.
Thanks for the interesting ping.
There is also an AP article from when Zero was elected Senator, and the headline reads something like “Kenyan-Born Obama Elected Senator”.
It was “neat” for Zero to be Kenyan when he ran for senator, not so great a fact when one is running for POTUS.
I for one, believe his grandmother, that he was hatched in Kenya. I also believe the other Kenyans who are proud he was born there. And why else would Odinga have a gag order on the Kenyans over this?
Question is how long will it take before someone outs The Usurper?
We are still waiting for someone to tell-all about The Clintoons.
I lost any amount of respect I had for the Supreme Court, when they swore in this faker. They ignored the pleas of many Americans like me, who feared this man was a foreign born liar.
I have always been quite skeptical of BHOs claim that he went to Pakistan in the 80s. I have been under the impression that this event wasnt in his books (which I have never read), and had never been mentioned before he brought it up during the Presidential race.
My take was that he simply made it up as a desperate attempt to try and provide some kind of thin veneer of foreign policy experience.
We survived the Kennedy assassination and Watergate. We are strong enough still to survive an office holder’s being removed for failure to qualify.
We have a Constitutional line of succession for a reason. If Obama were disqualified, Joseph Biden would be installed and he would reaffirm everything done by Obama or make changes/modifications he deemed appropriate.
Well said, and factual.
BTTT for the details of 0bastard not being born in HI.
Re: Your post #83
Excellent information, and lots of it in that link.
This quote stood out, and it is on the record and in O’s own words: (From the Keyes-0 senatorial debates in 2004)
From the link:
The there is the oft cited AP report of the debate,between Obama and Keyes in 2004, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a natural born citizen, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I’m running for Illinois senator, not the presidency.” (...admits he is foreign born).
***last 5 words in parenthesis added by myself to avoid an incomplete sentence.
Did you not read the reports of Ann's speach to GOP Proud?
Even the Huffington Post got it mostly right:
Actually according to David, and I think others’ research, she showed up in Washington for classes in the third week of September, not August. That’s what the records show. As far as the word of her friend, not necessarily trustworthy info.
Every single avenue needs to be followed. The subversion of the Constitution is not a light issue to be ignored. It sets a foul precedence.
We can have some slight disagreement about that event without getting feathers ruffled.
It’s over, she did what she did and said what she said, and so did Farah.
They both have flaws and good points.
Excellent, FRiend, and true. But which way is best? Time is the most valuable commodity in the world.
The longer the statists run the show the worse things get. Obama is but one of them and if extraordinary means have been used to get him elected, then extraordinary means will keep him there.
Every avenue has been blocked in deposing Obama as a poseur.
What then to do?
Every single avenue needs to be followed.
Illogical and absurd. It's also impossible. We should follow the means of least resistance to victory - capture the House and Senate and hold them for a generation. That's the end game.
“How many grandmothers do you know are confused about what country their grandson was born???”
Careful here. How old is Grandma, and how well does her mind work. Obama and his purported Kenyan dad share the same name, and Obama Sr was undoubtedly born in Kenya.
I share the same name with my father and I remember visiting my grandmother about a year after my father died. Grandma was in her early 90s. During one conversation I realized she was seeing me as her son, not her grandson. It had an eery feeling about it, but I saw no point in embarassing her by reminding her who I really was. That was the only point in my several day visit that I was aware of her not realizing who I really was.
When I lived at home my dad and I were routinely confused because of our same name.
Granny Obama saying she attended Zero’s birth in Mombasa is a piece of evidence, but not one I’m willing to give a lot of weight to.
I know now I got the name of the organization wrong in my earlier post. I’ll be more careful not to make that mistake next time.
See post 73.
Yes, there were about that time. However, that only narrows the inquiry; it doesn't end it.
Then and now the relevant Hawaii statute provided there were several ways to get a birth certificate, the relevant two of which were and are: 1) have it issued by a birthing center, like a hospital, signed by the appropriate officials of the center, and designating the center with the center's location, including its address and 2) if the birth occurred outside a birthing center, the birth certificates could be prepared and signed by one of the child's two parents and filed by that parent without any further documentation. In either case the Hawaii Department of Health would prepare a list of new births and duly forward it to the relevant local newspapers to be published.
Thus, if the Illegal was born in Kenya, it would still have been possible for his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, to collude to produce a facially valid, fraudulent birth certificate for him. Stanley Ann would have called Madelyn and told her when the baby was born and his sex. Madelyn then would have simply filled out a birth certificate for the Illegal claiming he was born in Hawaii outside of a birthing ranter, forged Stanley Ann's signature on the document, and duly filed it. From there on it would have been GIGO, since there was a facially valid certificate and the Hawaii Department of Health simply would have sent the Illegal’s notice of birth on to the newspapers as it would all the other, valid, birth notices.
This hypothesis also explains why neither Kapiolani Hospital nor Queen’s Hospital, the two hospitals where the Illegal’s shills have variously claimed he was born, has ever claimed to be where he was born.
Ah, Phil Berg. The same guy who says that 9/11 was in inside job and who sued George Bush as a war criminal. So what special access to passport records that no one else seems to have found does he have?
“Mama Sarah appealed to the public to dedicate their time and effort to ensuring that they take care of orphans and the vulnerable people in the society.
‘This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands,’ added the grandmother.”
Was Barrack Hussein Obama (SENIOR) EVER “US president?” If so, I must have missed it.
btw, losing a mother does NOT an “orphan” make. Senior’s father was still living. So he wasn’t an orphan. You seem fond of the phrase “our side”. Can you explain exactly what side that is?
"Anabaptist Bishop" Ron McRae had a radio interview with Sarah Obama. She is supposed to have said in her native language that she was there when he was born, but the interview is so confused that it's hard to say what was going on and who she was talking about, especially if you don't understand the Lao language.
McRae confused things further asking her if he was born in the village or born in Mombasa, which is on the other side of the country. By this point there was so much uproar in the household that it's even harder to figure out just what she said or wanted to say.
Somehow this is taken as her saying that Obama was born in the village, but also that he was born in Mombasa, hundreds of miles away. Both couldn't be true, and the evidence for either is pretty slim.
About the account you relate: When you can put a name to it, and there's somebody around who can say "Are you calling me a liar?" it's hard to know how to respond, but if you saw something in print with as little evidence as that, would you accept it as true?
You didn’t read my post did you? I SAID that while the article translates (or the translator-because she didn’t speak English) to read “the POTUS passed through my hands...” did the translator TRANSLATE “even Barack Obama passed through my hands” meaning his father.
But take questionable quotes/translation as fact, whatever
I prefer to take the birther movement to a more factual leaning.
Obama is a usurper so Biden his choice is disqualified too along with all of their decisions. What has happened already cannot be changed such as all the money already spent but every other law, Presidential proclamation, treaty etc. is immediately rescinded. For the time being the Speaker of the House becomes President.
This is a published article, linked and quoted. I did not read your “post”, would you care to link it?
The article I quoted and linked is in English. It’s an African online newspaper. They do speak English in Africa because many of the countries were British colonies and business is done in English. Kenya in particular.
What makes the article “questionable?” Where is your evidence of any “translation” versus the article being written and published in English?
There was no confusion in the quote. Even the US president seems clear to me. It’s a QUOTE, so unless this journalist is sloppy, how would Sarah mistake BHO Senior for the “US president?”
Biden ran as the VP candidate in ‘08. He was elected. It doesn’t matter WHO chose him to be that candidate.
Biden is first in the line of succession. Obama’s being declared ineligible and a usurper would fit in the category of ‘unable or unfit’ to serve. The constitutionally established succession would kick in. There is no question about Biden’s eligibility to serve as VPOTUS under the Constitution. If, on the very long shot, Obama were removed from Office, Biden would take his place constitutionally.
He was not elected separately. He came in the package and the package is denied. If he for some unlawful reason did become President he would be a laughing stock. It would be like putting two stakes into the heart of the Democrats.
Please note my comment to autumnraine on the subject of Sarah stating that the president passed through her hands: comment 61.
I didn’t say that Bien ran separately, but he did run for the Office of VPOTUS and there are laws in place for such contingencies as the removal of the POTUS or POTUS-elect. The disqualification of Obama on eligibility ground would not affect Biden’s having been elected. Only one person in that scenario would be denied, not ‘the package.’
Let’s leave Obama and Biden out of this. It’s 2032 and the Jones/Smith ticket wins the majority of electoral votes. They’re certified by the electoral college and the Congress in early December. Jones dies in late December of ‘32. Smith would be installed as POTUS on 1/20/33.
Folks have to know when they vote in a presidential election that #2 on the ticket could step in as POTUS at any moment. They certainly knew that about Sarah Palin. If they weren’t paying attention to Joe Biden, that’s just too bad. They weren’t paying quite enough attention to Obama, either.
Now, you may not like the individuals, but the succession policy is designed to provide stability in a time of crisis. There’s always another election.
Yes, WND has it wrong.
WA state Calendar for School Year
for the fall quarter 1961 for which Dunham was enrolled,
indicating classes at the university began Sept. 25, 1961:
From my understanding there are (surely discreet!) witnesses with signed affidavits submitted in court that were present when Zero as Senator mentioned being born in Kenya.
In addition, while debating I’ve seen and copied deep in the comment bowels of this youtube video which made headlines,
one DrWizardMan (user no longer exists, can’t imagine why)
who made these comments:
“I met Obama in Chicago in the early 2000s, while he was still a state senator. I was discussing some issues and mentioned my sister’s husband is from a native Kenyan; he laughed and mentioned how he was born there, as well.
I don’t dislike this man, in fact he’s doing a pretty good job as president, but it’s pretty obvious he’s lying about his birth certificate.”
Thank you - I remember a lot of discussion about this very point a long time ago.
Thanks. I remember reading that. She didn’t say “Barak 0bama passed through my heads”, she said “the US President passed through my hands”.
There are only two ways to look at it - she was telling the truth, or lying.
There are certainly exceptions, but I believe in most instances this is not the case.
One more point. Obama had brought this all on himself. All he has to do is produce a real birth certificate and unseal his record. However, I know he will not.
Like anyone with 10 watts of brain power know... Obama obviously has something to hide, or he would not have sealed it. End of story. It’s a no brainier.
Firstly, this information would be in paper records, as there were not computerized records at that time. Those papers would be stored in boxes, if they are even still retained. Hawaii state law only requires retaining records for 7 years. In some circumstances more, but the most would be 25 years after the last data entry, or after a minor attains majority. In either case, they may not still have them.)
Where do hospitals store boxes of records? Not in expensive and valuable hospital space. Most hospitals contract with a secure records company, such as Iron Mountain, or Access to store records offsite. Those records cannot be easily accessed - one has to request access, and have an authorized person sign off on the request.
Finally, anyone giving out information is liable for a large fine or a prison sentence.
Earth Frisk is going to have to back up those claims to be believable. They haven't done that.
See my reply to Patriot08, post #135
The succession is the least problem. The real problem is everything thing he has done while in office, good, bad or indifferent becomes null and void.
Upthread somewhere I said that in the theoretical situation where Biden would be installed as POTUS that his first action most likely would be to affirm everything that Obama had done while he was President. (good, bad, indifferent)
It would be along the lines of Ford pardoning Nixon. For the stability of the country it had to be done, regardless of how folks felt about it, and Ford DID pay the price. Succession is in place to assure that the removal of one person from the Office of POTUS results in the most stable environment during a time of crisis.
Regardless of what anyone may think of Obama, his removal from office would be a crisis situation. Our form of government allows always for the smoothest possible transition of presidential power. “The King is dead, long live the King” is one important tradition the Founders took from England. And that is a good thing.
Now, about these darn newspaper announcements and the Birth Certificate. Folks have it bass ackwards. No one has to put them in the paper. Newspapers in ye olden days merely got the files from the office that issued birth certificates. You know, like the one-liner obituary list?
In the Holy Era of Blesséd Obama's Birth (HEBOOB) an Hawaiian birth certificate was a far less reliable document than an Hawaiian car title, or dog license. Anyone could get one (the Birth Certificate, that is) by claiming that, "little Won Hung Lo was born to my daughter in my house at 1313 Blueview Terrace, Honolulu at 12:00 PM on the 4th of July, 1961 with me and the wife as witnesses."
"Why thanks Granpa Lo! Here's your genuine Hawaiian Birth Certificate."
Of course, little Won Hung Lo was already three years old and had been born in Manila. No problem.
Very common situation at the time. Won Hung Lo has a perfectly good official Hawaiian Birth certificate, and so by golly does Barack Obama. Probably. As in the case of little Won Hung Lo, nobody can now prove fraud, because everyone who committed it, is dead.
So Obama's Birth Certificate is probably going to say "Hawaii." IMNSHO, There's gotta be something else on that BC that is an "embarrassment" to Bill Ayers' buddy and that could harm sales of Bill Ayers' masterpiece of hagiographic creative writing, "Dreams of My Father," which as it turns out, has many a true word in it: among them, "and," "the," "but," and dozens more.
Keep up the pressure, my teamates. But let's not go tinfoil and expect to get the guy out before 2012. This was a well planned coup and all we can do is damage control.
That is not to say some massive scandal will not blow him out There's no lack of those hidden IEDs out there, from the gay bathouse membership, to the Blago Revelations, and beyond. But there, we're talking Hope and Change.
The birth announcements really don’t seem like they came from a list put out by the HDOH. Too much difference between the lists in the different papers, with names showing up weeks apart and some showing up in only one of the 2 papers. The accounts given by alleged witnesses to the process in 1961 differ on critical points. The retention schedules and Administrative Rules don’t allow for newspaper lists until 1978. HDOH responses seem to confirm that they didn’t have any lists in 1961.
There are other problems with the announcements that were posted online as well, indicating that the microfilms were changed out at least once and in a couple libraries at least twice. Scratch lines that disappeared over time, pristine copies coming from library archives that the librarian accurately said were nearly unreadable, “close-ups” that have different markings than the whole-page view, etc.
There is not a doubt in my mind that the newspaper announcements were forged. Which proves nothing from a legal standpoint but does show how far Obama was willing to go in his desperation to have something credible, when he could have just consented to have the HDOH disclose his BC.
Official communications from the HDOH indicate that Obama does have a BC and either it or the supplemental affidavits claim he was born in Hawaii. But that BC isn’t legally valid because it was amended in 2006. My best guess based on HDOH responses is that the HI BC was only COMPLETED in 2006 - probably to add a birth weight, which Madelyn Dunham had no documentation for when she reported the birth to the local registrar and which the parents had 30 days to document through a HI doctor examining the baby.
The HDOH has indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways now that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. His real BC probably makes the same claims as on Factcheck but the reason Obama forged a document is because the genuine COLB would note the amendment in 2006 and would make it obvious that the BC is not legally valid.
But anything we conclude based on the HDOH communications depends on whether they’ve been honest at all, which isn’t a given, based on my experiences with them. That’s why what I really, really want is a legal investigation. There are more than enough discrepancies and laws/rules broken to justify - and actually DEMAND - an investigation.
...at baskin Robbins...... with a CT SSN.....hmmmmm, hmmmmmm
It is not even the same as someone like Nixon if he had been removed after he legally became President because of actually being convicted of a felony. Ford would then have taken his place because Nixon was legally President and fell from the position.
There is no way an usurper's accomplice should inherit the usurper's position because the usurper was found out. There is no way that this is what the Founding Fathers would have wanted. There is also a reason that the Speaker of the House is the next in line.
Re: “...there were not computerized records at that time...”
Of course there were — especially in government agencies. They had the money and were early innovators.
You’re correct about Iron Mountain, where they probably have the original paper documents, and certainly microfiche/film copies — oh, and electronic media copies.
Even now, hospitals are slow to adopt.
Using a recent survey of U.S. hospitals, we found that the share of hospitals that had adopted either basic or comprehensive electronic records has risen modestly, from 8.7 percent in 2008 to 11.9 percent in 2009. Small, public, and rural hospitals were less likely to embrace electronic records than their larger, private, and urban counterparts.I recognize that hospitals have instituted some computerized records earlier than they instituted electronic medical notes, but in 1961 most records were still on paper. The earliest I could find was 1967. If you know something about the original Kapiolani hospital being a very early adopter, please cite. You may also find this computer timeline helpful.
The records are there. It’s what governments do.
Now whether individuals with the government share those records, or lose those records, or change those records is another question.
We’re talking about Obama, after all.
His shit just keeps disappearing!
I wholeheartedly agree.
I believe the preponderance of the evidence points toward Barry being an illegal alien squatting in the White House. I believe Barry proves the wisdom of our Founding Fathers in requiring natural born citizenship for the presidency — to prevent exactly the kind of anti-American shenanigans Barry pulls day after day.
A news story about Barry’s trip to Pakistan:
To me, her statement, “EVEN the US PRESIDENT passed through my hands,” might be a Freudian slip. It’s been reported that she has handlers with her whenever she speaks to the media, starting back during the campaign, designed to keep her from blurting out what she’s not supposed to say. She doesn’t seem senile to me. She seems pretty spry and feisty. But like a lot of us when we age, we lose that inner monitor that reminds us to apply discretion.
autumnraine suggests, if I understand correctly, that perhaps because she doesn’t speak English, the reporter mistranslated her statement.
Do we know that she CANNOT speak English? Many in her family do speak English and are university-educated people. The country has English as well as Kiswahili as official languages. Kenyan law still, even after the new Constitution, recognizes English as the only language of the High Court and the Court of Appeal. My guess is that English is routinely taught in school. Does she watch TV? My guess is that she can understand English and perhaps even speak it a little, but is far more comfortable in her native tongue.
However, it’s LIKELY that reporters speak both official languages and maybe other African dialects as well. If they don’t, then a reporter would bring along a good interpreter when interviewing a non-English, non-Kiswahili speaker, or a tape recorder.
Even if Sarah spoke in another tongue, it’s likely that the words “US PRESIDENT” were spoken by Sarah in English. All around the world, people say, “US”. And they use his title “president” just as we say “sheik”, “rajah”, etc.
But even if Sarah spoke the Luo/Kiswahili equivalent of “US president”, it’s unlikely that would sound to the reporter like “Barack Hussein Obama” (first or second).
If she said, “Barack Hussein Obama”, then that’s likely what the reporter would have written in the QUOTE from her statement. It is clearly in quotes. It is clearly an exact quotation of what she said in her speech. A transcript of the speech may have been provided to reporters.
Then you have that pesky word “even”. If she were speaking about “Barack Hussein Obama” and meant her stepSON and not her stepGRANDSON, would she use the word “even”? Not likely. Rationalization is ineffective in trying to do away with this clear statement by Sarah.
autumnraine has mysteriously disappeared, upon being challenged about this issue and also on claims about Scott Inoue—personally knowing Scott; that Scott’s a Christian and conservative; that he doesn’t so much support Obama as enjoy the association; that he went to Punahou; that the 3rd grade photo was taken at Punahou, etc.
One would hope that upon making such claims and also upon admonishing others on “our side” to deal in facts, autumnraine would have the intellectual gonads to respond to the questions I raised on this page:
Employees who have merely looked at celebrity records have lost their jobs; one got a four month sentence just for looking. One employee who sold information to the press was facing a 10 year prison term, but died before she could be incarcerated. Hospitals guard protected health information carefully since HIPAA, sometimes absurdly so.
It’s ridiculous to pretend the Federal government is going to prosecute the hospital where the POTUS was born for confirming that he was born there (IF he was born there). This isn’t about employees snooping in files or inadvertently or maliciously releasing sensitive information. Plus, if Obama wasn’t born there, no part of the law prevents them from saying so.