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Jill Stanek: Graphic abortion ad during the Super Bowl?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 12/1/10 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 12/01/2010 4:03:28 PM PST by wagglebee

For only three hours a year do Americans actually look forward to watching commercials rather than ignoring them, muting them or running to the bathroom during them, as we do the other 8,763 hours.

That is during the Super Bowl.

In fact, commercials have become part of the entertainment during football's annual big game, a cultural phenomenon.

So imagine a 30-second Super Bowl ad showing the graphic reality of abortion.


Most Americans, including many pro-lifers, would abhor such an ad.

But pro-life activists like me would be ecstatic, if such a word can be used to describe fulfillment of a passion to see a multitude of people face the truth about abortion. Activists believe that only by understanding the reality of abortion will the culture be wholeheartedly persuaded against it.

And the publicity, oh, the publicity. Recall the controversy surrounding Focus on the Family's pro-life pablum Super Bowl ad featuring Tim Tebow earlier this year. This would be that on gigamegalo-steroids.

And there is a chance such a commercial will air during the 2012 Super Bowl.

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Activists believe that only by understanding the reality of abortion will the culture be wholeheartedly persuaded against it.

A baby is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS, if the images offend people maybe it will make them consider what our nation is doing.

1 posted on 12/01/2010 4:03:32 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/01/2010 4:05:16 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/01/2010 4:06:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

While I understand the need to do this, I am not in favor it it. Very small children will be watching the SuperBowl. It is bad enough they have to see all the beer commercials and all the other raunchy stuff.

I think ads would be way more appropriate on shows young adults watch - shows like Grey’s Anatomy, etc. Superbowl has millions of viewers but little ones are innocent and should be spared.


4 posted on 12/01/2010 4:08:26 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: wagglebee

Over 50 million Americans were murdered in the womb in the past 38 years. The next time you drive by a school look at all the children there and then imagine the outcry if for every two children you see one other was murdered by someone with a semi-automatic weapon. The fact of the matter is that for every two children you see at a school, another child was murdered in an abortion clinic. And the only outcry is against those pointing this out.


5 posted on 12/01/2010 4:13:09 PM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013)
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To: wagglebee

Knowing the entertainment industry, and government (of which football is both), they will never allow this.

I also think it’s the wrong audience, even though it’s the right message.

Put the commercial on during OPRAH.


6 posted on 12/01/2010 4:13:32 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: wagglebee

I think people should know what they’re supporting. Pro-abortion? Okay then, take a look at it.


7 posted on 12/01/2010 4:13:44 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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To: Paved Paradise
but little ones are innocent and should be spared.

I understand your point... but it is ironic you should use those words. That is the whole point of the ad, to spare the innocent ones (pre-born innocent ones).

8 posted on 12/01/2010 4:14:20 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: wagglebee

Better yet, put it on MTV.

At least you would be hitting the ‘target’ audience.


9 posted on 12/01/2010 4:14:49 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Celtic Cross

If someone is pro-infanticide, then they should be required to see what they’re positions entail.


10 posted on 12/01/2010 4:15:01 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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To: UCANSEE2

Oh good lord i could just see Oprah giving away gift certificates to planed murderhood


11 posted on 12/01/2010 4:16:36 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: wagglebee

I abhor abortion, but this should not be shown during the Super Bowl. Watching is a family tradition for many. There are children watching. It does not further the anti-abortion cause.


12 posted on 12/01/2010 4:18:06 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: missnry

Compassion for the unborn should not override that for the born.


13 posted on 12/01/2010 4:20:00 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: wagglebee
IMO, a much better approach would be to show a video shot during one of the new GE scans where the baby is flesh toned and in 3D. Have a voice-over discuss abortion while the screen shows babies at one, two, three months, etc. all the way up to nine month full term. Describe the abortion procedures used at the various stages while each is being shown. Finally, at the commercial close, switch to a shot taken from a vaginal perspective on a operating table with a doctor & nurse coming close to the camera lens with forceps, piercing instruments and the scraper.
14 posted on 12/01/2010 4:22:53 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: oneamericanvoice
Compassion for the unborn should not override that for the born.

I agree. I don't want my children to see graphic abortions on TV.

Heck I'm so sick of the other crap that comes on TV while watching entirely wholesome TV on channels that should be safe at 6 PM or even 10 AM Saturday. For instance, while watching Andy Griffith or something like that, is it really necessary to carry Viagra/Cialis/Make "Bob's" Thing Larger commercials?

Back to the issue, while I do think the general pro-choice or antipathetic community at large should be forced to see that it really is a gruesome awful killing, doing so in a way that exposes innocent children is to be avoided. Tebow's add was more along the lines that I would accept.

15 posted on 12/01/2010 4:44:29 PM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: oneamericanvoice

FFS, NO, it should not be shown.


16 posted on 12/01/2010 5:02:35 PM PST by micmac
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I think yours would be a much better approach, although the typical length of a Superbowl commercial would not permit all of that information to be contained in a single spot.

A problem with the graphic abortion pictures is that those who are strongly “pro-choice” can always tell themselves that it was never alive, that it was never more than a thing that resembles a baby. In fact, I once read an article quoting a nurse who started assisting with abortions, “At first, it was hard, seeing all the pre-babies. But then I got used to it.” Only seeing the babies dead, she was able to maintain the fiction that they were never alive to begin with.

Showing the actual live, moving babies in the womb makes it a little more difficult to maintain a state of denial that they are alive. In a college biology class back in the 80s, the teacher showed us a film in which cameras were somehow inserted into the womb, and there was actual footage of a living, moving baby at various stages of growth, starting at a few weeks, ending in the third trimester. One of the girls watching the film had tragedy written all over her face—I had to guess that she had had an abortion and was forced to face, for the first time, exactly what she had done to her child.


17 posted on 12/01/2010 5:07:11 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

FFS, NO, it should not be shown.


18 posted on 12/01/2010 5:10:45 PM PST by micmac
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To: exDemMom

Poor woman. I never condemn girls and women that get abortions due to fear or pressure from boyfriends. Sadly, their sentence (without Christ) is a lifetime of guilt and regret or, worse, continued degredation from corrupt living. Like most things that are really screwed up or evil, it’s the leadership in human affairs that betrays the trust of the people or spits on morality. People forget that Jesus beat the living crap out of religious and national leaders - without apology.


19 posted on 12/01/2010 5:14:32 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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IMO, a much better approach would be to show a video shot during one of the new GE scans where the baby is flesh toned and in 3D. Have a voice-over discuss abortion while the screen shows babies at one, two, three months, etc. all the way up to nine month full term. Describe the abortion procedures used at the various stages while each is being shown.

I can certainly see the wisdom of this. For what it's worth, the NFL and network will certainly place restrictions on how graphic any ad can be. However, the fact remains that these images SHOULD offend people, it IS NOT a trivial matter.

I was in high school in the early 80s when MADD started their campaign against drunk driving and much of it was aimed directly at teens, but they were also going into elementary schools. The images of drunk driving fatalities were gruesome, disturbing and tragic; BUT they also worked, people started wearing seat belts, rates of drunk driving dropped, courts started to take drunk driving seriously and fatalities dropped significantly.

20 posted on 12/01/2010 5:23:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Paved Paradise

I agree with you. Reluctantly, for certain.


21 posted on 12/01/2010 5:31:56 PM PST by trimom
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To: wagglebee
The images of drunk driving fatalities were gruesome, disturbing and tragic; BUT they also worked

Agreed, but I'm talking about 5 and 6 year old kids who are too young for the gruesomeness of the abortion subject IMHO.

22 posted on 12/01/2010 5:34:18 PM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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I certainly appreciate that position and, as I said, I have a feeling that the final version will not show the true barbarity of abortion due consideration for the audience.

In a lot of ways I think that the money would possibly be better spent showing a lot more commercials on shows like "Jersey Shore" where the audience is primarily people in their older teens and twenties.

23 posted on 12/01/2010 5:39:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I am all for it. It would reach millions-—no billions of people. It would shock them into the reality of abortion.


24 posted on 12/01/2010 5:46:45 PM PST by Wile E Coyote Genius (IQ 206....more than all Democrats combined)
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To: SteamShovel

“Agreed, but I’m talking about 5 and 6 year old kids who are too young for the gruesomeness of the abortion subject IMHO.”

Good! Get them now before the publik skewl does and makes them pro aborts! Images like that will make them pro life forever! I mean this~


25 posted on 12/01/2010 5:49:52 PM PST by Wile E Coyote Genius (IQ 206....more than all Democrats combined)
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To: wagglebee

“A baby is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS, if the images offend people maybe it will make them consider what our nation is doing. “

People tend to shut their minds off completely when faced with the extreme. These ads are proven to work
http://www.grtl.org/tvads.asp


26 posted on 12/01/2010 6:15:59 PM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka!)
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To: wagglebee
Nonsense! All people need are these handy dandy abortion cards.


27 posted on 12/01/2010 6:22:56 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response / "...and that's why the color yellow makes me sad, I think.")
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To: Paved Paradise

If they can run the beer commercials, they can run graphic abortion commercials.


28 posted on 12/01/2010 6:27:22 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: SteamShovel

And the beat marches on.

50 million kids, and you’d rather people not see the truth?


29 posted on 12/01/2010 6:30:07 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: wagglebee

**A baby is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS, if the images offend people maybe it will make them consider what our nation is doing.**

Making our nation extinct. That’s what its doing!


30 posted on 12/01/2010 10:31:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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you’d rather people not see the truth?

I didn't say that.

I meant children watching the Super Bowl with mom and dad should not be exposed to disturbing images. I think that's reasonable.

31 posted on 12/02/2010 9:46:33 AM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: BenKenobi
If they can run the beer commercials, they can run graphic abortion commercials.

If they can run the graphic abortion commercial, then why not a graphic anti-gay commercial or anti-death penalty or anti-DWI or animal cruelty etc commercials?

The point is, there is a line somewhere when it comes to children watching.

32 posted on 12/02/2010 9:50:17 AM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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I would not abhor such an ad.

Anyone who is pro-abortion should be forced to empty the dumpster behind an abortion clinic. If they can do that and not lose it, they're welcome to continue calling themselves "pro-choice".
33 posted on 12/02/2010 11:25:33 AM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: wagglebee

The best approach would be to cover it in health class at high school. I saw pictures of an unborn baby dolphin, elephant, dog, and baby. Then asked people if they could abort one of the animals. If they say “no” then ask them how a human would be possible. Makes ‘em think.

No graphic anti-abortion spots ever at the Super Bowl.


34 posted on 12/02/2010 12:59:24 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: wagglebee

The images should offend people. But there is a time and place for everything. The Super Bowl is not right. High school is. And for everyone past the HS age, get them to think about the issue from a different perspective. Would they abort a puppy or kitty. If not then how could they abort a child. Not confrontational, just calmly, rationally, so they don’t feel threatened. The screaming guy on the corner preaching to the world probably never won anyone. Plus, put yourself in their shoes. Would you want to be confronted?


35 posted on 12/02/2010 2:29:04 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: SteamShovel

I think its hypocritical to permit the beer advertisements to run, and then complain about graphic abortion commercials.

Right now the only ‘standard’ on television is that you can’t show what really happens during an abortion.

Sex, violence, drug abuse, all ok. Abortion, no.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 8:04:09 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

I was on the other side. There is no replacement for the graphic abortion pictures to drive the point home.

Why do you think they show children what really happened during the holocaust? Same reason. Some things are just so horrifying.


37 posted on 12/02/2010 8:05:35 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Would I want to be confronted? No.

Does that mean we ought not to confront others? Hardly.

Truth *is* confrontational. This is why you want to sugarcoat it, to hide it away, because there’s simply no way to express the truth without offending someone.

I’ve been that guy on the street corner, and no, despite your lies, we don’t shout. We don’t holler, we simply stand there. Is it confrontational? Yes. Is it necessary? When we have folks who pretend to be on our side trying to shut us down, yes, very much so.

What gives you the authority to say that the signs haven’t changed anyone’s mind, when they changed mine?


38 posted on 12/02/2010 8:08:51 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: SteamShovel

I would agree with you, but that’s really not the argument, is it?

So far, we are perfectly willing to expose our children to disturbing images, provided it’s got nothing to do with abortion.

Again, given the current broadcast standards, I see no reason why they shouldn’t show a graphic abortion spot in the superbowl.

When we can have Obama try to shove garbage down our throats, then graphic abortion shots are fair game. When our enemies stop trying to use the game as a political advertisement, then we can discuss things like ‘tactics’, as it is, we are crippling ourselves.


39 posted on 12/02/2010 8:12:55 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: BenKenobi

You confrontational attitude and slander is unwarranted. If you wish to be uncivil then I can do that. I give as good as I get.

I do not lie. Nor do I pretend to be on the side of the unborn.

If you wouldn’t want to be confronted, then whey do you think another person would?

Yes, there are ways to present facts/truth that is not confrontational. I am not trying to sugarcoat anything, but merely to get people to see a horrific thing and perhaps change their mind, thereby saving babies.

If you were just standing on the corner, then my comments don’t apply to you. You weren’t hollering. But you’ve seen those that do, and the reaction they garner.

Where does my authority come from? Same as yours, by expressing an opinion. That’s what this site is partially for. I don’t believe that I said the signs didn’t change minds. I said that confrontation doesn’t. Shoving something in someone’s face doesn’t. I changed, just as you did, but it was from critically thinking about the position. Not screaming.


40 posted on 12/03/2010 2:12:14 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: BenKenobi

You confrontational attitude and slander is unwarranted. If you wish to be uncivil then I can do that. I give as good as I get.

I do not lie. Nor do I pretend to be on the side of the unborn.

If you wouldn’t want to be confronted, then whey do you think another person would?

Yes, there are ways to present facts/truth that is not confrontational. I am not trying to sugarcoat anything, but merely to get people to see a horrific thing and perhaps change their mind, thereby saving babies.

If you were just standing on the corner, then my comments don’t apply to you. You weren’t hollering. But you’ve seen those that do, and the reaction they garner.

Where does my authority come from? Same as yours, by expressing an opinion. That’s what this site is partially for. I don’t believe that I said the signs didn’t change minds. I said that confrontation doesn’t. Shoving something in someone’s face doesn’t. I changed, just as you did, but it was from critically thinking about the position. Not screaming.


41 posted on 12/03/2010 2:12:20 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: BenKenobi

So Ben, what age would you inform children about the existence of abortion? Show graphic pictures to?


42 posted on 12/03/2010 2:14:17 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

I believe I understand your position. Graphic images should not be shown to young children, imho.


43 posted on 12/03/2010 2:20:54 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Personally?

13-14. If they are old enough to be getting abortions, they are old enough to see the consequences.


44 posted on 12/03/2010 11:41:51 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

“If you were just standing on the corner, then my comments don’t apply to you. You weren’t hollering. But you’ve seen those that do, and the reaction they garner.”

No, I haven’t. I haven’t seen anyone holler on the side of the corner. I have see people assaulted, threatened, I’ve seen them tackled and hurt. I’ve seen cars try to back up over us.

But I haven’t seen anyone shout from behind the signs at other people.

“I am not trying to sugarcoat anything, but merely to get people to see a horrific thing and perhaps change their mind, thereby saving babies.”

Which is exactly what we do. Show the truth on abortion, show what abortion really does to an unborn child. That this is controversial and confrontational, shows how far down the other side of the slope we have fallen.

“I changed, just as you did, but it was from critically thinking about the position. Not screaming.”

Well it would do a world of good if you stopped lying about it. We don’t scream. Period. We show the signs. That’s all we do. It’s a confrontational approach because it makes it so that the truth cannot be denied. Many things have been confrontational, including Dr. King’s direct action. That doesn’t mean that the approach is either ineffective or unnecessary simply because it stirs up trouble.

I’m glad to have you on our side, now, please, get on board or stay out of the way. We have enough enemies as it is, we don’t need opposition from our own side.


45 posted on 12/03/2010 11:48:40 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: BenKenobi

I will no longer attempt to discuss this subject or any other with you, because I AM NOT A LIAR! You are ill tempered, reactionary, nasty, and unable to civilly engage in discussion.

You should change your screen name, because you aren’t anything like BenKenobi...except maybe fictional. If you are a troll, take a hike. If you’re sincere, then grow up.

If you don’t like my tone, remember what I said in an earlier post to you. I give as good as I get.


46 posted on 12/06/2010 2:40:53 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: BenKenobi

HAHAHAHA! Sit down and shut up? No, and it’s funny that in a post last week you asked on what authority did I present my opinion. Now look at you. On what authority do you tell someone to sit down and shut up?

I have my way of changing minds, you have yours. Why are you so threatened. I’ve already had success. I never told you to shut up. You really have alot of gall.


47 posted on 12/06/2010 2:46:09 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Ma’am,

This isn’t about me, or what I’ve done in the past. This is everything about defending the honour of those I care for greatly. Those who have sacrificed and been to hell and back, who top things off with a smile and move on.

You want to persist in the fiction that we shout, fine. But I’m going to make it very clear that it is express policy that this does not happen. Ever. So that the folks at home can get the full picture.


48 posted on 12/06/2010 2:53:46 PM PST by BenKenobi (Obama's book of the month, Herman Melville's Killin' Whitey)
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To: oneamericanvoice

What authority?

You are on our side, according to you. Now, apparently you aren’t a liar, so I’m supposed to take that at face value.

If you were playing on a team, and you said something nasty about a teammate to the media, what do you think the rest of the team is going to do? You got it right, they are going to stand up for their teammate, even if their teammate is in the wrong. Why? Because there is a time and a place for these things, and this ain’t it.


49 posted on 12/06/2010 2:56:46 PM PST by BenKenobi (Obama's book of the month, Herman Melville's Killin' Whitey)
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To: BenKenobi

Answer the question...if you are able. What authority? I took you at face value, but you flamed me and questioned my support for the unborn because I disagree with you. When and where do you think disagreements are supposed to take place?

Ok. One more time. I AM NOT A LIAR. Got it? Why would you think that? I didn’t say anything nasty about someone who wants to save the unborn. I disagree with showing it at the Super Bowl. But you seem unable to understand that. It’s your way or the highway. Well, with maturity would be able to see that there are times when graphics are appropriate and others when they are not. You are the one that is making this personal.


50 posted on 12/06/2010 4:49:38 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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