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Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work
FoxNews.com ^ | December 02, 2010

Posted on 12/02/2010 9:41:33 AM PST by US Navy Vet

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To: US Navy Vet

In the scandal involving the theft and release of classified military information that could cost the lives of U.S. military personnel, the British Telegraph newspaper is reporting that the American soldier at the center of the scandal was “openly homosexual” and apparently held a grudge against the U.S. because of the military’s anti-gay policy.

In another bizarre twist, reliable reports suggest that Private First Class Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army Intelligence analyst accused of leaking the classified information to the WikiLeaks.org website, was not only a homosexual but was considering a sex change.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010080111202/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/military-homosexual-scandal-tied-to-wikileaks-treason.html


101 posted on 12/02/2010 10:35:12 AM PST by kcvl
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

102 posted on 12/02/2010 10:35:12 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: panthermom

if 10% walked, that would mean that 250,000 troops leave

lol. we are not that big. We have a total of 1.44 million in the armed services together. They want to make the Air Force and Navy smaller that what it is today and this is a great way for them to get folks out of the service without paying them severance pay. The way it is today, they are giving a lot of money to folks who are being told to go home and they are getting money to leave. With this process, people will volunteer to leave and the military will not have to pay them. They are not stupid!


103 posted on 12/02/2010 10:35:12 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SERE_DOC

How is that possible? Your Fleet Reserve Certificate is signed by the president. I think you might have THOUGHT you refused to get a certificate signed by the President of the United States. lol. During your ceremony, they might have taped over the signature or something but trust me you got Billy’s signature on some part of your certificates.


104 posted on 12/02/2010 10:38:07 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: US Navy Vet
Welcome to our new US MILITARY thanks to the Admiral, Obama and this little bastard...

Bradley Manning, a 22-year-old private in the U.S. Army who stands accused of amassing the largest unauthorized pile of military classified info ever, some of it already posted on WikiLeaks.

105 posted on 12/02/2010 10:38:26 AM PST by kcvl
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To: DesertRhino
I'm arguing that Congress has the only numerated authority of the rules and regulations of the Military.

Yes, the EO by Truman should have been challenged.

106 posted on 12/02/2010 10:39:27 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: US Navy Vet

re: “what you do, not who you are.”

Yes, and that’s exactly the problem. “Being” homosexual is one thing, but “doing” homosexual is an entirely different thing. And that’s why DADT works. It’s when the person’s homosexuality becomes the focus of their life and demand acceptance of what they do, if not approval, the problems start.

For those gays who really wanted to do was be in the military and serve his or her country DADT works just fine.


107 posted on 12/02/2010 10:41:06 AM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: silverleaf

I have one son on pre-deployment orders and one already enlisted but can’t get to basic until after he graduates HS, but he is already sworn in.

My oldest is a new person since being in the Army, and my middle son is so excited to go in on an Airborne contract. I hate that they have to deal with all of this PC nonsense, it never ends!!


108 posted on 12/02/2010 10:41:10 AM PST by panthermom
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

That is what my son says. He says there is no way they would survive it mentally as an open homosexual.


109 posted on 12/02/2010 10:42:47 AM PST by panthermom
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To: Cisco Nix

WikiLeaks founder on left, Bradley Manning (US military leaker)on the right.

At a recent rally in support of Manning, peace demonstrators shouted “Blowing the whistle on war crimes is not a crime.” The slogan also appears on buttons and posters produced by Courage to Resist, a group based in Oakland that is coordinating with the Bradley Manning Support Network to raise money to hire an attorney to defend Manning. Documentary maker Michael Moore (director of “Fahrenheit 9/11” and “SiCKO”, among many others) has given $5,000.

Project Director Jeff Paterson told AP: “I think we have an imperative to support those people who’ve seen the horrors of battle and want to share that reality with the American people.”

Bradley Manning

110 posted on 12/02/2010 10:44:28 AM PST by kcvl
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To: himno hero

“Its not denial brother, the world is upside down and verging on collapse of western values...”

Exactly. So...wth?


111 posted on 12/02/2010 10:47:28 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: napscoordinator

Is that number only active duty or does that include Reserves and National Guard?


112 posted on 12/02/2010 10:48:22 AM PST by panthermom
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To: panthermom

That is awesome

Do you know the song “This is My Son” by Cherry Holmes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxT-uTMf1ig


113 posted on 12/02/2010 10:49:44 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: McGruff

I am not sure about that. She is against gay marriage but she said she has some gay friends that she hangs with so I am not 100 percent sure that she would ask for his resignation unless things are so bad in the military because of this.


114 posted on 12/02/2010 10:53:23 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Soothesayer

Its up to us to push back, together in whatever form we can.....where does it make sense for the minorty top bowl the majority around? If it is the opinion of the majority, I am in the wrong place.

The greatness of the US was founded in the commonality that threads western civilization , Christianity...not the barnyard or Islam. We can be men or beasts o the field , its all a function of choice.


115 posted on 12/02/2010 10:57:56 AM PST by himno hero
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To: butterdezillion

Interesting issue you raise: I represent people in security clearance revocation and denial cases. Will homosexual conduct no longer be a ground for denial or revocation? If it isn’t for avowed homosexuals, will it still be for closet homosexuals?

Too many issues even to count.

Colonel, USAFR


116 posted on 12/02/2010 10:59:14 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: panthermom

Yieks. Sorry only active duty. Goodness I hate when I think I know it all.....lol. It always blows up in my face. One day I will learn........God only knows when though.


117 posted on 12/02/2010 10:59:14 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: silverleaf

Thanks :) Not crying too hard now! haha


118 posted on 12/02/2010 11:01:03 AM PST by panthermom
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To: WestwardHo

Ouch. You have my sympathies for your son’s poor choices, and my deepest admiration for speaking hard truths. And thanks for your service.

Colonel, USAFR


119 posted on 12/02/2010 11:02:58 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: ScottinVA

” A lot of troops ARE going to walk as a result of this.”

Expect a stop loss order to be issued the same day. That will piss a bunch of people off!....red


120 posted on 12/02/2010 11:05:49 AM PST by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: US Navy Vet

See what happens when politicians run the military? I guess this idiot is saying “If you don’t love gays, get the hell out.” Does he actually think an army of gay men and women could go out and win a war? Does the think they’d even want to?

Every straight enlisted person should request an immediate honorable discharge and base the request on Mullen’s words.

I have more and more respect every day for the men and women who put up with this crap. I’m afraid to say I wouldn’t serve today under these new policies.


121 posted on 12/02/2010 11:07:45 AM PST by Terry Mross
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To: US Navy Vet

The Wikileaks ‘Gay’ Connection (Updated)

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/newsarchives.php?id=7661895

A concise summary of the problem with inviting homosexuals into highly confidential circles is drawn from the memoirs of Police Commissioner Hans von Tresckow, who headed the equivalent of the Berlin “vice squad” from 1905 to 1919:

“[I]t is not the sense of duty towards one’s fellow-men or the nation that forms the rule of conduct for homosexualists; but in every turn of life and in all their striving they think only of the good or harm they may do to their own clique of friends.”

It was true then and it is true today. Just ask Bradley Manning.


122 posted on 12/02/2010 11:08:26 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: US Navy Vet
Great...so when all the good guys walk, we'll be left with a bunch of pansies to protect us????

God help us!

123 posted on 12/02/2010 11:11:27 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: US Navy Vet
"what you do, not who you are."

The irony of this statement is: as soon as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is repealed, it will instantly become about "who they are", and not "what they do".

When I was in, back in the late 80s and early 90s, everyone knew who "they" were, and we served together just fine. Reason being: they did their jobs, and no one cared what they did on their own time. They weren't blatant about it, trying to justify their lifestyle, and convince the rest of us that it was "ok" because, as soon as they did, they'd be ushered out of the military.

This whole "repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'" movement isn't about solving a problem in the military: there is none.

This is about advancing the Gay agenda, which is, in short: "Our lifestyle is perfectly fine, and God help you if you don't believe it-- and help us promote it!"

The vocal portion of these people have conferred victim status on themselves for a lifestyle choice. Being gay may or may not be a choice. Acting gay is definitely a choice.

124 posted on 12/02/2010 11:16:11 AM PST by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Military members who have a problem with a change in policy to allow gays to serve openly may find themselves looking for a new job, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned Thursday.

This vile man is going to get us all killed with his insane pronouncements. It is true that the US Navy is leading the military in failed social experiments and is becoming a shadow of what it once was. Adm. Mike Mullen is continuing that slide to inefficiency and obscurity, and significantly endangering the ability of our country to defend itself, IMO.

125 posted on 12/02/2010 11:16:17 AM PST by olezip
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To: US Navy Vet
Those in our military should adopt the following policy: "Don't leave, do resist."

If we allow none but the butt-lovers to be in our military, it will mean that our armed forces will be filled with people who are hostile to middle America. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where that will lead...
126 posted on 12/02/2010 11:16:48 AM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: US Navy Vet

>> Military members who have a problem with a change in policy to allow gays to serve openly may find themselves looking for a new job, ...

Different priorities I guess.


127 posted on 12/02/2010 11:17:19 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: circlecity

Meritocracy my ass! Most promotions for O6 and above have long been based on “who you know and who you blow”.

I observed too many who moved quickly up the ladder whose mission accomplishment knowledge and skills were overrated by their sponsors and who had reached their Peter Principle level of incompetence as captains or majors. There were a number of these during the 70s through the 90s whose combat experiences were along the lines of algore’s combat experience; if they had been in country for a month doing a Pentagon staff study it went down as combat experience and they received a medal. Those in the trenches doing the hands-on missions and actually leading troops generally don’t get any recognition that will get them promoted.

The promotion system has long been a political game and this started long before even the Civil War when politically appointed Union generals were the screwing up the war effort at every turn. I was of the opinion in 2001 when Bush came into office that he should have fired the JCS and probably half of the generals/admirals who had come up under clinton. Over the years the one branch that has suffered the least from this “perfumed prince” syndrome has been the Marine Corps.

FUBO & FAD


128 posted on 12/02/2010 11:18:38 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: ScottinVA
Mullen will come to regret that statement. A lot of troops ARE going to walk as a result of this.

What makes you so sure that's not the admin's intention with all this?
129 posted on 12/02/2010 11:18:41 AM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: US Navy Vet

For those who want the USA to be more like Europe.

They can sleep at night knowing the Nancy Boys have their back -
and maybe their sons too.


130 posted on 12/02/2010 11:20:38 AM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Mullen told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing that the military is based on meritocracy, "what you do, not who you are." He said if Congress changes the don't ask, don't tell policy then the U.S. military will comply.

Still, Admiral, Sir: What and who you are will show out in what you do!

131 posted on 12/02/2010 11:22:15 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: brytlea

“The MOST frustrating thing is that the press could care less about national security as long as they keep pressing their agenda. The irony is they put their own families at risk as well. they must be breathtakingly stupid.”

I’ve often wondered the same about all of the players on the left. Do they not have anyone in their lives that they care about? Are they so stupid as to actually believe that communism is a good thing? So much of what is happening defies reason. Prayer seems to be the best action.


132 posted on 12/02/2010 11:27:43 AM PST by Josephat
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To: US Navy Vet

And is it true that the Wiki-Leaks scandal was initiated by a gay soldier who is now in a stockade?? Oh where in great shape. It wasn’t too long ago that homsexual behaviour was considered perversion. Not to mention that a large number of the gay community are unstable. Patton, Washington, Lincoln, Jackson, Truman etc. must be turning over in their graves.


133 posted on 12/02/2010 11:28:50 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: Niteranger68
The militia will gladly take them!!!

I was thinking a little earlier that we need some governors with railroad track for a back bone who will stand in the public and say, . . .

"Come on home boys, who want to serve, but don't want to serve with known sodomites. We'll for a new state militia of volunteers, excludng any known to be sodomites or other such perverts."

Would be great to if such governors included southern border states's CEOs. Then the primary training ground could be near the Mexican border. Desert warfare training---got to have it.

134 posted on 12/02/2010 11:33:31 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: refermech

Indeed.


135 posted on 12/02/2010 11:36:55 AM PST by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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To: americanophile

Mullen needs to be relieved and retired.


136 posted on 12/02/2010 11:39:11 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: US Navy Vet
Military members who have a problem with a change in policy to allow gays to serve openly may find themselves looking for a new job,

Run for office.

We've got to clear out the corrupt placeholders.

Returning vets; if you've got it in you to preach, preach. If not, run for office and help to turn this ship around. Town council, state assembly, congress, whatever you have a shot at winning, do it. Until we clear out the zombies its only going to get worse.

137 posted on 12/02/2010 11:49:47 AM PST by marron
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


138 posted on 12/02/2010 11:52:50 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: napscoordinator
if 10% walked, that would mean that 250,000 troops leave

Considering how much it costs to train the average military member, replacement costs would be VERY large.

139 posted on 12/02/2010 11:52:54 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: US Navy Vet

“what you do, not who you are.”

Well, that defines homosexuality. It isn’t an identity, it is a behavior. It is a disorder and unless you drag people to that fact you already lose the argument on discrimination.

When confronted on this topic with someone claiming homosexuality is an identity I point to the lesbian custody cases between states where one lesbian leaves the lifestyle and gets married. She then refuses to allow visitation to the former partner.

It isn’t an identity when you are homosexual on Monday and heterosexual on Friday. It is a behavior and a disorder, nothing more.


140 posted on 12/02/2010 11:59:13 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: OldDeckHand

EXACTLY!!!!!

This clown is like a janitor working at NASA claiming to be part of the space program. I’ve seen more action than him on my RISK board.


141 posted on 12/02/2010 12:00:38 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: John Leland 1789

Ditto!


142 posted on 12/02/2010 12:01:45 PM PST by Niteranger68 (I am in the party of "HELL NO"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Wow! Just ShamWoW!

I find it hard to believe he said that.

And I love how the survey is depicted on most of the nets, “apart from combat troops, all branches of the military support the repeal.”

As if combat troops are some adjunct, addon and afterthought to the concept of an army.

We will ignore those who are actually doing the fighting and the dying.

I’ve woken up in some different universe.


143 posted on 12/02/2010 12:02:42 PM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

The Village People!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw


144 posted on 12/02/2010 12:07:40 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: US Navy Vet

This man Mullen is sick!

Bring our boys home....how can they serve under an insane civilian leadership??


145 posted on 12/02/2010 12:10:14 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: US Navy Vet

Somehow, I just can’t wrap my mind around the threat imposed by pink artillery pieces and mauve tanks.


146 posted on 12/02/2010 12:13:02 PM PST by SgtHooper
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To: 3niner

Mullen is a joke and I have two words for him - Major Hassan. How did this open jihadist get to be a major and why wasn’t he courtmartialed or cashiered when they knew what he was - because it was PC of the military not to take action against a ‘muslim’ just like they won’t take action when open homosexuals start misbehaving - no officer will want to risk being called a ‘homophobe’ and have his career killed. There will be blood eventually and it will be covered up like the Pentagon’s Hassan report that never mentioned his radical Islamic views.


147 posted on 12/02/2010 12:13:51 PM PST by DHerion
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To: US Navy Vet

So what are we to have Mr. Mullen? A Navy of flaming poofters spreading AIDs on the USS Loveboat?

Soldiers need to hold Mr Mullen to his word. Let the soldiers go freely that refuse to accept this policy.


148 posted on 12/02/2010 12:14:44 PM PST by dforest
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To: panthermom
Both will walk away never having to face the consequences of their actions!!!

When, after all this is implemented, our country falls into the hands of the true Communists and other assorted thugs they will face those consequences when the thugs come after them first.

149 posted on 12/02/2010 12:16:39 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Josephat

Prayers indeed. Most of my lefty friends (yes yes, I know) just have such a totally different world view than I do it doesn’t do any good to talk to them, there is no convincing them. I’m sure they say the same things about me.


150 posted on 12/02/2010 12:41:15 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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