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Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work ^ | December 02, 2010

Posted on 12/02/2010 9:41:33 AM PST by US Navy Vet

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To: Jeff Chandler

Life imitates “art”.

161 posted on 12/02/2010 4:30:15 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: panthermom
Survey results say that up to 24% of troops will not stay. Since those most opposed are the combat arms, if 10% walked, that would mean that 250,000 troops leave, that is more than the entire Marine Corps!

Draft, draft, draft...If there was any justice only those that support the repeal of DADT would be drafted or have their kids drafted.

162 posted on 12/02/2010 4:33:14 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: US Navy Vet

Mullen, you can go find other work. DADT is not going to get passed.

163 posted on 12/02/2010 5:52:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

That is...the repeal of DADT is not going to get passed.

164 posted on 12/02/2010 5:54:23 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Bean Counter

“If DADT is redacted, Mullen will find himself in a very awkward position; potentially prosecuting productive sailors who will not put up with homosexuals quietly. This is just insanity, and it will not end well.”

Amen to that! Throw out the productive to accomadate the perverse. The very empitome of insanity.

165 posted on 12/02/2010 6:37:49 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Rep Allen West is gonna have FUN w/ this Perfumed Prince!”

From your mouth to God’s ears. LTC West, you are unleased, call this “gentlemen” ADM Mullin out. The cannot silence a congressman.

166 posted on 12/02/2010 6:41:43 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: little jeremiah

Wait, I can see it now — the leftie Episcopal Church here in town that at first ‘let’ gays in, now is RUN by gays. The normies have run screaming.

We’ll have a fighting force of gay guys — that’ll rout the Muslims, that’s for sure.

167 posted on 12/02/2010 9:19:56 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Bean Counter
Why Christian Women Should not Join the Military: A Plea from a Woman Veteran

By Mrs. Richard Downin

Jun 25, 2003

In the New Testament there are many direct commands that speak to women about how they are to live. There are also many examples of godly women who served the Lord. These commands and examples prove, I believe, that the military is no place for a Christian woman.

The first direct command is found in Titus 2:5, "To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed." Women are to be keepers at home. Not just "housekeepers," but keepers at home. How can they keep (protect) the occupants of their homes if they are off fighting in a war? If they are not keepers at home they are blaspheming the word of God.

The next direct command I would like to examine is found in 1 Peter 3:4, "But it let be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." To God the meek and quiet spirit is worth a great price. He values the gentleness of a woman higher than any other adorning that she can put on the outside. If a woman is to serve in the military, she can not be gentle and quiet. The military is an occupation that requires its members to continually prepare for war. War by nature is anything but a gentle and quiet procedure. War is about fighting, killing and destroying.

When a woman is in the military she needs to be agressive and dominant. It is unsafe if she is not. Her comrades depend on her to be that way. When I was a flight engineer, I worked with a woman pilot a few times who had a gentle voice. She was asked to speak louder, and many felt uncomfortable around her because she seemed to lack command. In her proper sphere, this gentleness is perfectly in its place; in the military it can be life-threatening. Men are better suited to command forcefully.

The next verse I would like to examine is 1 Timothy 2:9" "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold or pearls of costly array." The first phrase that stands out to me in this verse is "modest apparel." When a woman is in the military, she must wear men's apparel. The clothing that I had to wear was anything but modest. I wore a dark-colored T-shirt, battle dress pants, a battle dress jacket over the T-shirt and black combat boots everyday. When working inside, airmen are allowed to remove their jackets. And I can tell you from eight years experience that the men enjoy seeing the young female soldiers in their T-shirts.

There is another word that is in direct opposition to what is expected of a strong military airman. That word is "shamefacedness." Shamefacedness is not talked about much anymore, nor is it practiced, even among Christian women. Nevertheless, it is in the Bible. To be shamefaced is to not stare at men or hold their gaze for a long time. When a woman is in the military, she works very closely with other men and must look at them. She may at times be tempted to hold their gazes while working alongside them.

In the same chapter of Timothy in verse 12 there is another command" "But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Women in the military are almost always placed in authority over a male. There is a rank structure in the military that allows one to outrank someone else very quickly. This is clearly not God's design for Christian women to order men around. This does not mean that women are not intelligent or strong; it simply means that women are not to rule over men.

The last and possibly most important direct command is in 1 Thessalonians 5:22: "Abstain from all appearance of evil." When I was in the military I had to work very closely with men. Some men were married, some were divorced and some were single. There were several times when I had to work nighshift for a few months. Each time I was on this shift with only one other male. We worked all night together, just he and I. I truly believe that I gave the appearance of evil when I spent entire nights alone with men who were not my husband. I have also had to literally sleep next to men who were not my husband. Nights in the woods were spent close to these men in a tent or in sleeping bags. I also spent many nights sleeping next to other men in other areas. No godly Christian woman would dare sleep next to a man other than her husband night after night, but that is what the military requires. The military requires that you become like a man. You must do what the men do. This is not the place of any woman, but it is especially important that women who profess the name of Christ avoid all such situations.

168 posted on 12/02/2010 9:48:55 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: kcvl

This “admiral” Mullin is a disgrace to his uniform AND his country. Homosexuality is a deviant behavior. This fool embraces it. Heaven help us!

169 posted on 12/03/2010 4:45:51 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Land of the free, home of the brave, eh?)
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To: a6intruder

Not that unfair. I said that many but not all attain 06 and above through connections made and maintained along the way. I observed much of this among AF and Army officers and some among Navy. Failing promotion to 03 does mean you probably didn’t have the right stuff from the beginning. Failing 04 is a different matter depending on the branch and which field you are in. If you are not a pilot in a flying unit in the AF your chances could be greatly reduced depending on the force structure at the time and a lot of other factors that have nothing to do with leadership abilities. Promotion to major or LtCmdr has rarely been fully qualified as with 03. LtCol/Cmdr was a bit more restrictive than major and external factors as well as assignment was another big factor. In the instance of my brother and I; we were both prior enlisted. I was a Marine up through E5 and he was AF up to E5. I was commissioned in the AF two years before him and we were both in non-flying fields and both had varied career experiences with progressively more responsible leadership roles as well as great ERs. The difference between us was the year-group. I came up for 05 two years before him when early retirements were being offered and prior enlisted time that put you over 19 years at promotion time were a kiss of death for staying. He came up two years later and no problem. I knew of many contemporaries who were passed over while a lot of known incompetents were promoted. Now, I was over 22 years and ready to retire and had no problems with it, especially since clinton had just been elected. I have no doubt that you earned your eagles and I commend you. I have many contemporaries who earned them as well through hard work but I also knew all too many who did not earn them. Just one example was a contemporary who had a DUI as a 03 and still made 04. He then accumulated 2 more DUIs as an 04, one while on duty in a sensitive position and he still made 05 and 06. This person was not a great leader nor was he that great at his jobs but what he did have was a general officer sponsor, an academy ring and some other attributes that carried him through. He was just one example. At the above 06 level, I met and worked with some genuinely good leaders from all of the branches and one admiral I still remember as superb and above the rest but too many had career records that were along the lines of a Wesley Clark. I salute you, your hard work and your service but I stand by the contention that way too many senior officers (above 06) should not have been promoted beyond 04 or 05.

170 posted on 12/03/2010 7:23:35 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: little jeremiah

This is a good way to purge the military of certain types of people, and fill it with those who will be more willing to fill the cattle cars and fire the ovens.

Don’t think that hasn’t crossed some peoples mind.

Part of me does find it funny that the only pro gay branch is the Navy.

171 posted on 12/03/2010 5:50:57 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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