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Economy Added Fewer Jobs Than Expected in November [unemployment rate: 9.8%]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, December 3, 2010 | By LUCA DILEO And JEFFREY SPARSHOTT

Posted on 12/03/2010 5:48:02 AM PST by MinorityRepublican

Edited on 12/03/2010 6:00:23 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON—The U.S. economy added fewer jobs than expected in November and the unemployment rate rose to its highest level since April, underlining the continued weakness in the labor market 17 months into the recovery.

Nonfarm payrolls rose by 39,000 last month as private-sector employers added only 50,000 jobs, the Labor Department said Friday. The October number was revised up slightly to show a 172,000 increase from a previous estimate of 151,000.

The unemployment rate, which is obtained from a separate household survey, unexpectedly rose to 9.8% last month. More than 15 million people who would like to work can't get a job.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had forecast payrolls would rise by 144,000 and that the jobless rate would remain unchanged at 9.6%.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; ecoonomy; expectedlyunexpected; joblessrate; jobs; obama; recession; recovery; unemployment; unexpected
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To: garbanzo

BTW, after Clinton I never buy into government figures anymore.

Our elected officials think they’ve really got us snookered. Ah, not hardly...


151 posted on 12/03/2010 6:06:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Is the U. S. on life support. Looks for all the world like a team has decided to pull the plug.)
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To: potlatch

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i’z baaaaack


152 posted on 12/03/2010 7:02:12 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi 9.8% . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Yeah, a 3 1/2 hour quick trip!!


153 posted on 12/03/2010 7:15:15 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: potlatch

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Lotsa stuff

Unpacking

Corona

Etc.


154 posted on 12/03/2010 7:26:43 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi 9.8% . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

I know. Heavy load, lol.
I got a lot done. Decorated my profile for Christmas too.


155 posted on 12/03/2010 7:30:54 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: DoughtyOne
n the 50,000 new jobs created

The 50K is the net new jobs created. It includes the ~1.6 million new hires.

156 posted on 12/03/2010 7:33:22 PM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: potlatch

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Tinsel on the RR tracks

Chestnuts roasting after TSA.....


157 posted on 12/03/2010 7:44:59 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi 9.8% . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Lol, I think you did more Corona amid the - unpacking!


158 posted on 12/03/2010 7:50:11 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: MinorityRepublican

On December 24th there are going to be a bunch of seasonal hires that are going to be out on the streets. Might as well go ahead and “expect” it.


159 posted on 12/03/2010 7:50:41 PM PST by PullTheCart
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To: potlatch

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You just don’t appreciate free verse!

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160 posted on 12/03/2010 8:19:24 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi 9.8% . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

If that’s what it was, you just lost your job, lol.
See, I got back on topic!


161 posted on 12/03/2010 8:26:16 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: repentant_pundit

“we’re now in the Fall of Prosperity.”

Nice double meaning. It would be humorous if it were not so painfully true.


162 posted on 12/03/2010 9:54:03 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: upchuck
How do you continue to claim there's "recovery" ongoing 17 months in?

It seems to me the take away is that their policies have failed. I don't understand why the media isn't treating Obama's economy like it treated Bush 41 or W's. W's had what was "full employment" under Clinton and was attacked for a "jobless recovery" and "the worst economy since Herbert Hoover" and yet their guy's failed policies halfway into his term? Oh! It's not his fault. Look over there he flew to Afghanistan to talk to its president on the phone. Way to escape bad news, O!

Bush 41 lost his job; unemployment was never this high and we saw story after story after story about homeless Americans, about epic long lines for menial jobs, starving children… Where's this coverage for O?

163 posted on 12/04/2010 12:06:26 AM PST by newzjunkey (Expiring "Bush taxcuts" = Obama Tax Increases.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

What jobs were created? Christmas sales people at retail, I’m guessing. Come January they’ll all be back at the unemployment line.


164 posted on 12/04/2010 3:00:34 AM PST by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: John W

Last night/evening, Brent Baier labeled it as “surprisingly bad”.....lmao? =.=


165 posted on 12/04/2010 3:44:22 AM PST by cranked
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To: CAluvdubya
"Further evidence (as if we needed more...) that the Bush tax cuts need to be made permanent...especially for those business that could be capable of hiring and digging us out of this jam!"

When I saw the numbers on Fox and Friends yesterday morning, I thought to myself, a lot of businesses did not hire because of the Bush Tax Cuts expiring, and the uncertainty surrounding what Congress can agree to pass, if anything, to keep some or all permanent.

166 posted on 12/04/2010 6:18:12 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: PatriotGirl827

PatriotGirl827—Thanks. I visited the sight. Very enlightening.


167 posted on 12/04/2010 8:12:53 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: MinorityRepublican; Liz; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp; tubebender; BIGLOOK

Is it my old memory playing tricks or does Lord Ohaha leave the country before the real jobs reports hits the news?

This time 0b0z0 was in Afghanistan.


168 posted on 12/04/2010 8:16:04 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave

You got that right.

And the noxious way he talked to our troops-—cheering them on...........as if he meant it.

One would think he was a patriotic, flag waving, gun owner (not).


169 posted on 12/04/2010 8:46:37 AM PST by Liz
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To: newzjunkey
Bush 41 lost his job; unemployment was never this high and we saw story after story after story about homeless Americans, about epic long lines for menial jobs, starving children… Where's this coverage for O?

You really have to ask?

170 posted on 12/04/2010 9:28:31 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: upchuck
I reckon they figure 9.8% is as high as they can go without us getting out our pitchforks

I think you are right. The gubbermint sees the ten percent level as a psychological threshold, one which blows up the talk about stimulus and recovery and all the rest. We will never see them admit to 10%. But then I think they are lying steadily already, so it will not mean anything to me when it plateaus at 9.8-9.9.

171 posted on 12/04/2010 5:44:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mandaladon
It will take him at least two books to explain it all away...
172 posted on 12/04/2010 5:49:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: TomGuy

That’s good news according to Pelosi - the more people who lose work, the more that will be getting on unemployment benefits, which is a boost the economy and creates jobs - the more jobs lost, the more jobs that can be created by more unemployment benefits. Let’s hope the trend of more jobs being lost continues so that more jobs can be created by unemployment benefits. If the job market were to improve that would cause jobs to be lost by fewer people being on unemployment.


173 posted on 12/04/2010 8:11:01 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: olrtex

You should NB that the unemployment numbers from the Great Depression were:

1. Arrived at “after the fact” - ie, in the early 60’s. There was no national reporting of unemployment in the 30’s, and the modern BLS stats don’t begin until 1948. Stanley Lebergott arrived at the 25% figures in his 1964 book “Manpower and Economic Growth.”

2. Lebergott’s methodology varies significantly from today’s BLS methods, down to the very question of “who is in the employment pool?” Lebergott used assumptions of:

a) As soon as you were 14 years old, you were ‘employable.’ Today, the child labor laws prohibit most employment until 16, and even then, job prospects due to safety regs are marginal for 16 and 17 year olds. eg, they can’t hold a job that requires dispensing of booze (until they’re 21), they can’t drive a company car, truck or heavy machinery, etc. About the only place that kids under 18 are fully employable is in farm/ranch operations, and guess what? The BLS reports aren’t reporting farm employment.

b) Lebergott also considered men in prisons and in the military to be ‘employable’ but ‘unemployed.’ Today, the BLS disregards these people as “institutionalized” and not available to the labor pool.

c) Lebergott considered even those working on FDR’s make-work program jobs to be unemployed. ie, if you had a job for the CCC, WPA, et al, and you’d been working there for months, Lebergott discounted this as “not employed.”

So the figures at which Lebergott arrived are, IMO, significantly higher than what the BLS would find today if we could time-warp the current BLS methodology back into the 1930’s.

The U-6 number is the closest thing we have to determining “true” unemployment in the US now, and it is very high relative to GDP, which gives and ominous portent of the future employment landscape.


174 posted on 12/04/2010 9:03:25 PM PST by NVDave
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To: MinorityRepublican

And I’ll bet these JACKASSES were “suprised” once again.


175 posted on 12/04/2010 10:28:43 PM PST by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: dools0007world
I wouldn't believe much that comes out of the gov't as far as indexes that get wide use or reporting. CPI & UE stats are/have been fiddled with considerably.

I've found by ignoring CPI, and indexing markets to gold everything starts to make alot more sense, for instance.

Maybe using employment numbers rather than unemployment numbers might clear things up a bit. Unsure if these numbers include estimates for the illegal immigrant population.

CPS bulk employment data
176 posted on 12/04/2010 11:24:08 PM PST by CowboyJay
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To: socialism_stinX
"Essentially what the numbers mean is that we had a net gain of 50K workers who were employed at the end of the month. Based on the weekly unemployment claims, over 1.6 million workers stopped working during the month and over 1.6 million workers started working during the month. The number who started working was 50K more than the number who stopped working during the month.

True. 55,000 more jobs. Temp & part-time are included in that 55,000. However, there are 132,000 more people added to the potential workforce due to coming of age, immigration, et c.,. So 82,000 net more needing a job that don't have one. Hence the rise in the UE numbers.
177 posted on 12/04/2010 11:42:55 PM PST by CowboyJay
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To: DoughtyOne
"If it is true that some of those 1.6 million new filers will have found new jobs by the end of the month, why are they not counted in the 50,000? If they are, then we’ve still got a net job loss of 1.55 million plus for the month. If they aren’t, why?"

1.65 million hired - 1.60 million new net claims = 50K new net jobs.

The economy needs to generate somewhere north of 200K jobs per month to keep up with new entrants into the workforce due to demographics (legal immigration, et c.). So the UE numbers still go up even though there are a few more people working.

We lost 7 million jobs from '07 to '09, while the available labor pool grew by over 4 million people. Need to add 11 million jobs plus enough to cover new entrants to get back to where we were in 2007 (rough figures).
178 posted on 12/05/2010 12:12:11 AM PST by CowboyJay
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To: earlJam
"Translated headline if a Republican was president:

Unemployment Highest In More Than Six Months "

<Brian Williams>"Unemployment...SPIRAL...ING...OUT...OF CONTROL"</Brian Williams>

179 posted on 12/05/2010 6:45:39 AM PST by cake_crumb (Why do we call them "pat downs" when they're obviously "feel ups"?)
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To: John W

“17 months into WHAT recovery?”

HOW can they keep saying this? This reminds me of the AGW ‘science’ stats that they continue to try to cram down the world’s throat. I hate lies & liars.


180 posted on 12/05/2010 9:34:18 AM PST by SeattleBruce (We voted - NOW we fight against vote fraud! Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: kindred

“This obamantion administration is using the tactics all communist nations do by controlling the numbers reported using the communist controlled media, mostly stupid overpaid liberals who are not worth watching or hearing from at all as they are boring and lying regularly.”

This closer to the truth than we’d like to know. It may be an ad hoc bloodless coup communism/socialism, held back only by our long lived but crumbling institutions of checks and balances, but it is *that* nonetheless.


181 posted on 12/05/2010 9:42:27 AM PST by SeattleBruce (We voted - NOW we fight against vote fraud! Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If it goes to ten, Obama will face impeachment and Biden will make a good rubber stamp to get through what needs to be gotten through.


182 posted on 12/05/2010 10:29:09 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: sport

As the enraged populace comes at them with torches and pitchforks.


183 posted on 12/05/2010 10:29:58 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru
"Don't forget the guillotines!"
184 posted on 12/05/2010 12:05:50 PM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: de.rm

Nah, we’re Americans. Instead, we have tar and feathers; if we behead anyone, we use a bayonet.


185 posted on 12/05/2010 12:30:24 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I predict that around mid-January, with the season holiday over, things will completely crash and then, no matter how the press reports it, there will be rage. The press can sing the good news, but then so did Pravda during the Soviet Union. At some point, there will be open revolt or impeachment; the past election showed grassroots action and now the reaction will be grassroots. People still have some seasonal opportunities, but once that is over, unemployment will be essentially the new norm. More people will lose their homes, more will lose their possessions, and the only people who will survive will be the ones who already have homes paid off fully (not many) and people who have specialized skills that aren’t really dispensible.


186 posted on 12/05/2010 12:35:22 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: RipSawyer

You’re right. After the seasonal jobs, there will be MASSIVE collapse. I think Obama is going ot get impeached, it’s the only way to turn to this around.


187 posted on 12/05/2010 12:38:09 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru
Your right, it's too heavy anyway, I'll leave it behind.
188 posted on 12/05/2010 12:42:21 PM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: de.rm

Excellent, remember, less is more!

On a more serious note, impeachment is the only way out of this and to turn things around. Mid-way past January, there will be crucifixion and the MSM won’t be able to tell a man who just lost his home that the economic recovery is on the way. Everyone knows who is to blame and it’s why Tea Party people were elected en masse this time around and why the movement has throve as it has.


189 posted on 12/05/2010 12:46:03 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Oh, Couric, I didn’t know you came here!


190 posted on 12/05/2010 12:47:11 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: OCCASparky

I meant minority leader, of course. Please, in future try to avoid calling me an idiot. Thank you.


191 posted on 12/08/2010 11:49:49 AM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: arkfreepdom

Actually, I was referring to those who voted for her to become Minority Leader. I’ll refrain from the, “guilty conscience” line of questioning.


192 posted on 12/10/2010 7:55:02 AM PST by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: OCCASparky

My mistake.


193 posted on 12/11/2010 4:27:55 PM PST by arkfreepdom
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