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WikiLeaks Cables Reveal How US Manipulated Climate Accord
Guardian ^ | 12/4/2010 | Guardian

Posted on 12/03/2010 11:41:00 PM PST by Dallas59

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To: fish hawk
No, I don't think I'm saying that at all. I'm merely questioning the difference in the media's outcry now versus then.

Make no mistake, I think Assange is a coward and an anarchist. Typical of anarchists, he throws lots of dust in the air (in this case stolen documents, some of which will probably get people killed) but has no solutions of his own. Like the fable of Robin Hood stealing from the (proverbial) rich to give to the (proverbial) poor, Assange is delusional and thinks he is actually providing some valuable service. He's not.

41 posted on 12/04/2010 12:13:33 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (Obama: All turban, no camels.)
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To: Lancey Howard
just damn...
42 posted on 12/04/2010 1:30:27 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MichiganConservative
This WikiLeaks stuff is certainly showing just how brainwashed your typical FReeper is.

Why do you post here? You're obviously much more superior to the typical Freeper.

You're a sanctimonious jerk, get off this site if you think we're all brainwashed. I'm certain there's a website that would appreciate your intellect more than us neanderthals.

44 posted on 12/04/2010 3:12:30 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Jean S
Why do you post here?

For my own entertainment.

45 posted on 12/04/2010 3:15:35 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: MichiganConservative; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 50mm; Viking2002; rabscuttle385; Admin Moderator
FRiggers

What the hell are you saying?


46 posted on 12/04/2010 3:21:41 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Dallas59

Check out Jesse Ventura’s expose of the ‘ conspiricy’ on last nights True TV. Goes all the way up to my worst of nation destroyers the Rothchilds and their money empire.


47 posted on 12/04/2010 3:22:17 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Dallas59

Check out Jesse Ventura’s expose of the ‘ conspiricy’ on last nights True TV. Goes all the way up to my worst of nation destroyers the Rothchilds and their money empire.


48 posted on 12/04/2010 3:22:34 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Chode

ROMFLMAO !!!


49 posted on 12/04/2010 3:37:50 PM PST by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLENN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: MichiganConservative
FRiggers

This is the first time I've heard this term, what does it mean?

50 posted on 12/04/2010 3:38:43 PM PST by Jean S
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To: MichiganConservative; Jean S
What surprises me is people who claim to be Conservatives supporting this enemy of the United States who traffics in stolen information, is himself a hacker who used to crack into the NSA often, who attempts to manipulate countries, and has stated in various manifestos he wants to take down the US and the West. He is no different than a foreign operative who recruits spies to steal classified information.

Assange has even been in league with Obama in helping him elect his cousin, the Marxist Odinga, as President in Kenya. During that election, that Obama (then Senator) was helping Odinga with and even bringing in some big name Democrat workers, some documents were released that were damning to Odinga, showing, among other things, he was involved in murders and supported Sharia law. After a lot of bloodshed on Odinga’s part, and Obama campaigning for Odinga, Assange rode in to Odinga’s rescue releasing hacked documents through Wikileaks about Odinga’s opponent. Odinga ended up winning.
Sources:
http://stanfordreview.org/article/barack-obamas-kenyan-connections
http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/the-aussie-whos-changing-the-world/2008/07/08/1215282800995.html%22

Assange’s emails through the years, especially on hacker usenet groups shows a deep dislike for the United States and a desire to destroy this country:
http://cryptome.org/0001/assange-cpunks.htm

Assange himself, was a famous hacker who raised hell with the NSA and is suspected by some to be a foreign operative himself.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fbusiness%2Fanalysis-and-features%2Fspies-in-the-forests-743268.html&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en___US396

This is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy that you venerate. Your support is no different than supporting the Rosenbergs or other Soviet spies who stole information.

51 posted on 12/04/2010 3:43:45 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Grampa Dave

Don’t think for a second that Assange and Obama aren’t playing for the same team and working towards the same goals. (from previous post):

Assange has even been in league with Obama in helping him elect his cousin, the Marxist Odinga, as President in Kenya. During that election, that Obama (then Senator) was helping Odinga with and even bringing in some big name Democrat workers, some documents were released that were damning to Odinga, showing, among other things, he was involved in murders and supported Sharia law. After a lot of bloodshed on Odinga’s part, and Obama campaigning for Odinga, Assange rode in to Odinga’s rescue releasing hacked documents through Wikileaks about Odinga’s opponent. Odinga ended up winning.
Sources:
http://stanfordreview.org/article/barack-obamas-kenyan-connections
http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/the-aussie-whos-changing-the-world/2008/07/08/1215282800995.html%22


52 posted on 12/04/2010 3:48:34 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Dallas59

I have read these ‘leaks’ several times today and I have a different take than others. These leaks don’t say global warming was manipulated, they aren’t about that, but instead accuses us of attempting to control the debate.

What is the goal of gorebull warming proponents? To redistribute wealth from the US to poorer countries? These leaks give political capital to those smaller countries and they can use this against us.


53 posted on 12/04/2010 3:55:33 PM PST by mnehring
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To: J Edgar

The leaks show they weren’t trying to ‘twart’ the Climate Change scam, instead, it shows we were trying to corner the carbon market and manipulate laws in our favor. What the leaks show is the assumption was it wasn’t treated as a scam but instead a power grab, and these leaks can be used against us by other countries to claim we were trying to grab the power through various means and control the ‘carbon market’.

In other words, these leaks harm the US, not the gorebull warming proponents.


54 posted on 12/04/2010 3:57:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
I have read these ‘leaks’ several times today and I have a different take than others. These leaks don’t say global warming was manipulated, they aren’t about that, but instead accuses us of attempting to control the debate. What is the goal of gorebull warming proponents? To redistribute wealth from the US to poorer countries? These leaks give political capital to those smaller countries and they can use this against us.

And what is 'cap-n-trade' all about? IF you think the wealth was going to end up in poorer countries then you believe their propaganda... The wealth was to enrich a few liberals and enslave US most especially the middle class. IT was a globul scam.

55 posted on 12/04/2010 4:11:44 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: mnehring
Thanks, I appreciate you and a few other freepers who are keeping up on the details of these leaks.

I cannot believe that there are some here who are trying to spin this guy as some kind of whistle-blowing hero.

56 posted on 12/04/2010 4:16:30 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Just mythoughts
And what is 'cap-n-trade' all about? IF you think the wealth was going to end up in poorer countries then you believe their propaganda... The wealth was to enrich a few liberals and enslave US most especially the middle class. IT was a globul scam.

I agree, I may not have been clear with what I was saying. On the global stage, there are powers that want to take this wealth from the United States and reduce our power. Within the US, there are Liberal groups that want to use global warming issue to enrich and empower themselves. These leaks are a fight between these two groups and does nothing to expose the greater fraud.

All the leaks do (and I believe Assange's goal) is empower the UN who is trying to strip power and wealth from the US and take control themselves. This is a weapon for them.

This wasn't an anti-global warming leak, it was an anti-US leak. (yes, it harms some specific libs in our country but the leaks still empower the global marxist, one-world movement.)

57 posted on 12/04/2010 4:16:59 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Jean S

He is no hero. I suggest reading his history of emails I linked. He is a nasty piece of work.

I think the ONLY reason some FReepers have supported him is they are part of the Ron Paul cult and anything their messiah says, they follow like sheep without thinking for themselves.


58 posted on 12/04/2010 4:20:35 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
I agree, I may not have been clear with what I was saying. On the global stage, there are powers that want to take this wealth from the United States and reduce our power. Within the US, there are Liberal groups that want to use global warming issue to enrich and empower themselves. These leaks are a fight between these two groups and does nothing to expose the greater fraud. All the leaks do (and I believe Assange's goal) is empower the UN who is trying to strip power and wealth from the US and take control themselves. This is a weapon for them. This wasn't an anti-global warming leak, it was an anti-US leak. (yes, it harms some specific libs in our country but the leaks still empower the global marxist, one-world movement.)

Personally speaking, I much prefer the scam be exposed while the liars and cheats rule, than the 'secret' come out and be used to besmirch 'honest' leadership.

Obviously the powers that be believed they had this scam all set up and in motion before BamBamKennedy's worldly appearance. And maybe just maybe come 2012 enough of the seduction will have worn off that the majority of legal American voters will elect a leader that will tear down the rest of these liberals tower of Babel... DRILL - Baby -DRILL... (No I am not singling out one person.) I just state a purpose that IF followed then we would not be funding these barbarians whose sole mission on earth is to destroy US. We could restart our economy in a flash IF we were not sending multiple billions of dollars each year out of this nation for 'oil'.

59 posted on 12/04/2010 4:29:28 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: mnehring
I suppose it must be stated for the record that I am NO fan of Ron Paul. I firmly believe that the time had come to remove the biggest trouble maker for US and the world the butcher of Baghdad. And I do not consider this leaker any kind of ‘hero’. However, I am not going to bury my head in the mud and ignore what this bunch of lunatic liberals are up to in their in our face redistribution of this nation's wealth.

The last thing on any liberals mind is the uplifting of the poor. But they will promise the world to any who will bend a knee to them and strip them clean bare of their dignity. I find NO pleasure in seeing ‘poor’ people enslaved because they find hope and promise in the lies of evil people. And I do not resent people who have earned wealth by their own hard work.

I am not ‘poor’ nor do I have ‘wealth’ of worldly possessions. But I do despise the liberal mindset that lies, cheats, and guilts free people into a mindset of enslavement and entitlement, rich or poor.

60 posted on 12/04/2010 5:15:45 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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