Skip to comments.Air force investigating flyover at football game
Posted on 12/04/2010 5:52:22 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
Four pilots at Vance Air Force Base in Enid are under investigation to determine if they flew too low over Kennick Stadium in Iowa before the Hawkeyes played Ohio State back in November.
"The gentlemen involved are instructor pilots and part of this was a training mission," said 1st Lt. Katherine Roling.
Although the fly over was authorized, pilots with the Air Force are required to fly at least 1,000 feet above congested areas such as a sports stadium.
Nearly two weeks after the flyover, the Air Force is still trying to determine exactly how low the pilots flew.
Since the game, several cell phone videos of the flyover have been posted on the internet and debated.
"Those guys are good and they know what they are doing or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing," said Pilot Lonnie Gillespie who flew in the Korean and Vietnam Wars
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This is a serious charge. It should lead to the University of Iowa shutting down their entire sports program permanently.
wasting taxpayer dollars for this.....are you kidding me?
I attended a sporting event where they did a “very low” flyover, and it was awesome! I remember it clearly because I looked at my brother who was with me right after the flyby and stated with shock how low they were. This was in St. Louis and Busch Stadium for a Cardinals playoff game years ago. Don`t recall anything being said about it in the media afterwords though.
The FAA's "1,000 foot rule" has killed airshows and flyovers.
I went to an airshow several years ago, with a guy flying a Pitts Special. He knew the FAA was watching, and although this guy was a great pilot, his show was about as exciting as watching grass grow.
But, we have the gubment being our All Oppressive Nanny - All The Time.
Now, we can't do flyovers (where no one was in danger), but the TSA has their hands in our pants.
Damn! I wish I could have been there!
They are investigating this? What the heck for?
I was there. That’s the first thing that went across my mind is ‘wow those dudes are LOW’.
If they didn’t hit the scoreboard, move along.
If they did hit the scoreboard it’s $25 bucks a month until it’s paid off. Still move along.
Yes, they were below 1000 feet, but that’s a stupid rule anyhow.
It was more fun in the old days. And I can’t recall any accidents to speak of from flyovers, other than an occasional plane that went down—which is inevitable, if enough flying hours are involved.
Looks to my calibrated eyeballs like it was a thousand and one feet. Surely the brass has something more important to do than investigating this.
When I was stationed at Subic, the Corsair pilots would come screaming over the beach on Grande Island, so low & fast you'd swear they were kicking up water. It would scare the living cr*p out of everyone. Then, they'd circle back around sow low and slow that you'd could EASILY make out them laughing, just to rub it in.
I hate pilots.
Only reason people are complaining is that it was so low it didn’t last long enough!
I’ve been witness to military aircraft flying over my head so low I could see the squadron decal on the pilot’s helmet. Doesn’t bother me, but rules are rules and I believe the rule is 1000 feet over civilians.
Did somebody have an altitude gun or something to check how low they were or was it guess-ti-mation?
Probably it was a guess,unless a near by radar tower picked up the plane.
some rules are made to be broken
Many times in Europe I was minding my own business in some Army helicopter going somewhere on IFR (I follow roads). At one time or another, every fast mover in the NATO inventory would pay a visit. They had advanced radar and IFF, so they knew that we were a military aircraft. We had eyeballs.
They would come screaming in on the deck and come right across our nose. You could read the pilots name on his helmet. They thought it great fun.
Well if it was radar from Vance where the pilots were from then maybe ... depends if it was terminal radar or search radar - or height finding ... then too, how far away is Vance from the stadium ... lots of factors there ... too low and they wouldn’t show up on the screen ...I think the pilots would have to fess up ...
I agree. They mentioned that there was video taken.Maybe they can judge the height and distance of the plane from the video.
IPs flying like hot dogs? I don’t believe it. /s
Perhaps ... lots of angles and vectors to calculate ... bottom line is: are they out to get the pilots or not ...
I didn’t realize that the Air Force still had T-38s in their inventory. I knew NASA still used them as chase planes, but I thought that was it.
I love em. Had a couple zoomies chase each other over us today and one came back around and gave a wing waggle to our waves. Not saying where but I could see helmets from the ground. Nothing like it to to get your heart rate up. Better than coffee!
Vance AFB is in Oklahoma. Kinnick Stadium is in Iowa.
I.e., roughly 700 miles.
The USAF still uses them.Besides the USAF,the USN and NASA, other T-38 operators include the German Luftwaffe, the Portuguese Air Force, the Republic of China Air Force, and the Turkish Air Force.There are a few out there that are owned by civilians. There is supposed to be a replacement soon.
Your link is greatly appreciated... it led to others and one in particular has a gentleman screaming YEEAAH twice as the jets approach, still out of the viewers eyeshot. Makes you proud to be an American!
Hmmph...back home in Appalachia, I’ve actually stood on mountain tops and looked DOWN into the cockpits of military jets zooming down below me in the valleys, playing hide and seek with each other. The USAF brass has better things to do here...
range approx. 760
My favorite was about 12 years ago during our 4th of July show at our rural airport. Airforce from Edwards came over very low, about 300 feet before shooting off into the sky just as a 55 gallon drum of jet fuel was ignited on the ground. It was like a bombing run! What a blast (no pun intended).
Kid Sampson didn't think it was so great and look what happened to McWatt. Doc Daneeka was definitely a victim too.
Thanks. I was just guessing. Not bad, huh?
Well, at least they weren’t strafing or dropping ordinance. :-)
AGL, MSL or Absolute 1000 feet. These guys did a great flyover at whatever 1000 foot number they needed. Get over it you sandcrab whiners.
We all know T-38s are really good at nailing Womp Rats on Tatooine...
(seriously, T-38s are a great training and support MRF)
This will be much ado about nothing...
The performance profile of the T-38 is very close to both the F-16 and the F-18: Both of which are still the most demanded MRFs in the world.
.....way effin' cool!
Four aircraft, 250 feet AGL each. Adds up to a thousand in my book. Someone needs to get a life.
My feeling is that if they weren’t breaking glass, causing pregnant women to give birth prematurely and cleaning leaves and branches off the planes after they land, it is a egregious waste of taxpayer money because THEY WEREN’T LOW ENOUGH!
But hey...that’s just me...
Bunch of wimps.
You want a flyover call the US NAVY!!!
You can get a waiver from the FAA to do airshows as low as zero or on the deck.
Iowa City is at 668 feet elevation, so they were easily 332 feet above that.
Or did you mean AGL?
It’s easy enough to do if you have the algebraic skills (I don’t). All that is necessary is one shot where the aircraft and an element of the background, such as a stadium scoreboard are in the same frame. Since the dimensions of both are fixed, the distance between them can be calculated.
The reason I know that is because when I was in the Navy at Yokosuka, we used to have a problem with TV news helicopters buzzing the ships and subs arriving to get good shots — sometimes flying directly over them — and generally acting like idiots.
But if we could get a single shot of the helo and any part of the ship (radar mast or periscope) some ensign or jg with coke bottle glasses would peer in a couple books, spend a few minutes scribbling arcane formula on legal pad and then tell us exactly how far away the helo was when the shot was taken.
Always amazed me...