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Air force investigating flyover at football game
Kfor.com ^ | 12/4/2010 | Kfor.com

Posted on 12/04/2010 5:52:22 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Four pilots at Vance Air Force Base in Enid are under investigation to determine if they flew too low over Kennick Stadium in Iowa before the Hawkeyes played Ohio State back in November.

"The gentlemen involved are instructor pilots and part of this was a training mission," said 1st Lt. Katherine Roling.

Although the fly over was authorized, pilots with the Air Force are required to fly at least 1,000 feet above congested areas such as a sports stadium.

Nearly two weeks after the flyover, the Air Force is still trying to determine exactly how low the pilots flew.

Since the game, several cell phone videos of the flyover have been posted on the internet and debated.

"Those guys are good and they know what they are doing or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing," said Pilot Lonnie Gillespie who flew in the Korean and Vietnam Wars

(Excerpt) Read more at kfor.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: aerospace; collegefootball; flyover; football; hawkeyes; iowa; kennickstadium; ohiostate; probe; t38; usaf; vanceafb
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1 posted on 12/04/2010 5:52:26 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
” Kennick Stadium in Iowa before the Hawkeyes “

This is a serious charge. It should lead to the University of Iowa shutting down their entire sports program permanently.

2 posted on 12/04/2010 5:59:12 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

wasting taxpayer dollars for this.....are you kidding me?


3 posted on 12/04/2010 5:59:37 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
YouTube of flyover
4 posted on 12/04/2010 6:00:20 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I attended a sporting event where they did a “very low” flyover, and it was awesome! I remember it clearly because I looked at my brother who was with me right after the flyby and stated with shock how low they were. This was in St. Louis and Busch Stadium for a Cardinals playoff game years ago. Don`t recall anything being said about it in the media afterwords though.


5 posted on 12/04/2010 6:04:47 PM PST by Bud Krieger (Another President, another idiot....)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
T-38's...used to fly em. Great aircraft.

The FAA's "1,000 foot rule" has killed airshows and flyovers.

I went to an airshow several years ago, with a guy flying a Pitts Special. He knew the FAA was watching, and although this guy was a great pilot, his show was about as exciting as watching grass grow.

But, we have the gubment being our All Oppressive Nanny - All The Time.

Now, we can't do flyovers (where no one was in danger), but the TSA has their hands in our pants.

6 posted on 12/04/2010 6:04:54 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: 50mm

Damn! I wish I could have been there!

They are investigating this? What the heck for?


7 posted on 12/04/2010 6:06:42 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I was there. That’s the first thing that went across my mind is ‘wow those dudes are LOW’.


8 posted on 12/04/2010 6:08:03 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The battle isn't over. Hold their feet to the fire.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

If they didn’t hit the scoreboard, move along.


9 posted on 12/04/2010 6:08:48 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: IrishCatholic

If they did hit the scoreboard it’s $25 bucks a month until it’s paid off. Still move along.


10 posted on 12/04/2010 6:09:34 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: IrishCatholic

LOL


11 posted on 12/04/2010 6:09:55 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Ronin

Yes, they were below 1000 feet, but that’s a stupid rule anyhow.


12 posted on 12/04/2010 6:10:19 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

It was more fun in the old days. And I can’t recall any accidents to speak of from flyovers, other than an occasional plane that went down—which is inevitable, if enough flying hours are involved.


13 posted on 12/04/2010 6:13:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: 50mm

Looks to my calibrated eyeballs like it was a thousand and one feet. Surely the brass has something more important to do than investigating this.


14 posted on 12/04/2010 6:14:17 PM PST by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: SkyPilot
"The FAA's "1,000 foot rule" has killed airshows and flyovers."

When I was stationed at Subic, the Corsair pilots would come screaming over the beach on Grande Island, so low & fast you'd swear they were kicking up water. It would scare the living cr*p out of everyone. Then, they'd circle back around sow low and slow that you'd could EASILY make out them laughing, just to rub it in.

I hate pilots.

15 posted on 12/04/2010 6:14:52 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: 50mm

Only reason people are complaining is that it was so low it didn’t last long enough!


16 posted on 12/04/2010 6:15:26 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Ronin

I’ve been witness to military aircraft flying over my head so low I could see the squadron decal on the pilot’s helmet. Doesn’t bother me, but rules are rules and I believe the rule is 1000 feet over civilians.


17 posted on 12/04/2010 6:16:14 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Did somebody have an altitude gun or something to check how low they were or was it guess-ti-mation?


18 posted on 12/04/2010 6:16:43 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: ReverendJames

Probably it was a guess,unless a near by radar tower picked up the plane.


19 posted on 12/04/2010 6:18:04 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: 50mm

some rules are made to be broken


20 posted on 12/04/2010 6:20:39 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Many times in Europe I was minding my own business in some Army helicopter going somewhere on IFR (I follow roads). At one time or another, every fast mover in the NATO inventory would pay a visit. They had advanced radar and IFF, so they knew that we were a military aircraft. We had eyeballs.

They would come screaming in on the deck and come right across our nose. You could read the pilots name on his helmet. They thought it great fun.


21 posted on 12/04/2010 6:20:56 PM PST by centurion316
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Well if it was radar from Vance where the pilots were from then maybe ... depends if it was terminal radar or search radar - or height finding ... then too, how far away is Vance from the stadium ... lots of factors there ... too low and they wouldn’t show up on the screen ...I think the pilots would have to fess up ...


22 posted on 12/04/2010 6:22:13 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: ReverendJames

I agree. They mentioned that there was video taken.Maybe they can judge the height and distance of the plane from the video.


23 posted on 12/04/2010 6:24:49 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: IrishCatholic
No kidding. I live just outside Detroit Metro Airport, and the B-24’s fly over occasionally while I'm working in my garden. COOL!
24 posted on 12/04/2010 6:25:11 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

IPs flying like hot dogs? I don’t believe it. /s


25 posted on 12/04/2010 6:26:25 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Perhaps ... lots of angles and vectors to calculate ... bottom line is: are they out to get the pilots or not ...


26 posted on 12/04/2010 6:26:54 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I didn’t realize that the Air Force still had T-38s in their inventory. I knew NASA still used them as chase planes, but I thought that was it.


27 posted on 12/04/2010 6:26:57 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
"I hate pilots. "

I love em. Had a couple zoomies chase each other over us today and one came back around and gave a wing waggle to our waves. Not saying where but I could see helmets from the ground. Nothing like it to to get your heart rate up. Better than coffee!

28 posted on 12/04/2010 6:28:33 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: ReverendJames
then too, how far away is Vance from the stadium

Vance AFB is in Oklahoma. Kinnick Stadium is in Iowa.

I.e., roughly 700 miles.

29 posted on 12/04/2010 6:30:29 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: 50mm

NICE!


30 posted on 12/04/2010 6:30:32 PM PST by blkmontecarlo
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To: OldDeckHand

The USAF still uses them.Besides the USAF,the USN and NASA, other T-38 operators include the German Luftwaffe, the Portuguese Air Force, the Republic of China Air Force, and the Turkish Air Force.There are a few out there that are owned by civilians. There is supposed to be a replacement soon.


31 posted on 12/04/2010 6:31:37 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: 50mm

Your link is greatly appreciated... it led to others and one in particular has a gentleman screaming YEEAAH twice as the jets approach, still out of the viewers eyeshot. Makes you proud to be an American!


32 posted on 12/04/2010 6:33:45 PM PST by freepersup (HELP find the "sharp dressed man" call 1 800 FBI MUMM)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Hmmph...back home in Appalachia, I’ve actually stood on mountain tops and looked DOWN into the cockpits of military jets zooming down below me in the valleys, playing hide and seek with each other. The USAF brass has better things to do here...


33 posted on 12/04/2010 6:36:32 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: okie01

range approx. 760


34 posted on 12/04/2010 6:37:09 PM PST by freepersup (HELP find the "sharp dressed man" call 1 800 FBI MUMM)
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To: Dust in the Wind

My favorite was about 12 years ago during our 4th of July show at our rural airport. Airforce from Edwards came over very low, about 300 feet before shooting off into the sky just as a 55 gallon drum of jet fuel was ignited on the ground. It was like a bombing run! What a blast (no pun intended).


35 posted on 12/04/2010 6:37:34 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: OldDeckHand
pilots would come screaming over the beach on Grande Island

Kid Sampson didn't think it was so great and look what happened to McWatt. Doc Daneeka was definitely a victim too.

36 posted on 12/04/2010 6:39:41 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: freepersup
range approx. 760

Thanks. I was just guessing. Not bad, huh?

37 posted on 12/04/2010 6:41:24 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Well, at least they weren’t strafing or dropping ordinance. :-)


38 posted on 12/04/2010 6:42:47 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

AGL, MSL or Absolute 1000 feet. These guys did a great flyover at whatever 1000 foot number they needed. Get over it you sandcrab whiners.


39 posted on 12/04/2010 6:49:53 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

We all know T-38s are really good at nailing Womp Rats on Tatooine...

(seriously, T-38s are a great training and support MRF)

This will be much ado about nothing...


40 posted on 12/04/2010 6:50:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: OldDeckHand
I didn’t realize that the Air Force still had T-38s in their inventory. I knew NASA still used them as chase planes, but I thought that was it.

The performance profile of the T-38 is very close to both the F-16 and the F-18: Both of which are still the most demanded MRFs in the world.

41 posted on 12/04/2010 6:52:36 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
I've conducted my own investigation and my finding is.....

.....way effin' cool!

42 posted on 12/04/2010 6:53:37 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Four aircraft, 250 feet AGL each. Adds up to a thousand in my book. Someone needs to get a life.


43 posted on 12/04/2010 6:55:44 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Wow right at 1,000 feet with those ginormous fighters that look so big that far away.
44 posted on 12/04/2010 6:59:04 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

My feeling is that if they weren’t breaking glass, causing pregnant women to give birth prematurely and cleaning leaves and branches off the planes after they land, it is a egregious waste of taxpayer money because THEY WEREN’T LOW ENOUGH!

But hey...that’s just me...


45 posted on 12/04/2010 7:01:18 PM PST by rlmorel ("We treat terrorists with kid gloves, and our citizens with rubber gloves." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Bunch of wimps.

You want a flyover call the US NAVY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLPC-4Mj3N8&feature=related


46 posted on 12/04/2010 7:03:24 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: 50mm
Here's a press box perspective of the flyover---looks like they were at about 500 feet and booking it.

Kinnick fly over

47 posted on 12/04/2010 7:06:33 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: SkyPilot

You can get a waiver from the FAA to do airshows as low as zero or on the deck.


48 posted on 12/04/2010 7:07:57 PM PST by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Iowa City is at 668 feet elevation, so they were easily 332 feet above that.

Or did you mean AGL?


49 posted on 12/04/2010 7:10:33 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

It’s easy enough to do if you have the algebraic skills (I don’t). All that is necessary is one shot where the aircraft and an element of the background, such as a stadium scoreboard are in the same frame. Since the dimensions of both are fixed, the distance between them can be calculated.

The reason I know that is because when I was in the Navy at Yokosuka, we used to have a problem with TV news helicopters buzzing the ships and subs arriving to get good shots — sometimes flying directly over them — and generally acting like idiots.

But if we could get a single shot of the helo and any part of the ship (radar mast or periscope) some ensign or jg with coke bottle glasses would peer in a couple books, spend a few minutes scribbling arcane formula on legal pad and then tell us exactly how far away the helo was when the shot was taken.

Always amazed me...


50 posted on 12/04/2010 7:11:18 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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